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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:32 pm
by Monocrom
jlh2600 wrote:If it doesn't work well for me, or if I am not comfortable with the safety of a booby trap knife in my pocket, I'll just get a non waved version. Maybe even swap the blades and dump it on mono, since he wants a black one- I kind of prefer the grey. Hey mono, you interested in one even if it's severed a finger? If so, root for that happening. Then it's yours!
Yes, please! :D

*Prays for a bad accident* ;)

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:37 pm
by jaislandboy
I'm jonesing for the ZDP189 Delica and I can't wait to try out the Waved D4/E4's!.......
Hey spydersam, I've had a close call with my Yojimbo too.....it kinda has an "invisible" wave built right in! ;) :D

i love my yojimbo too

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:42 pm
by spydersam
I am curious what is the advantage of tip up carry?

Thanks

Sam

Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:07 am
by spydersam
[quote="Monocrom"]Here's a video of the wave feature, in action. http://www.emersonknives.com/Tact_index.html (Click on "Video vault," then click where it says "Commander"). But I doubt if it's self-explanatory.

How the wave feature works is, you carry your knife tip-up]


I watched the video, they need one in slow motion that knife unfolds fast.

Sam

Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:22 am
by Cameron23
Advantages of tip-up carry...

Personal preference only. You can argue for and against with various What ifs, but it comes down to what you find most comfortable, accessable, etc.

I'm a tip-up, mid-lock guy because that's what I had first and played with most. Since then I've had tip-downs, liner, frame, axis, button locks, balis... but always come back to the tip-up and mid-lock.

I've seen the video before and I used to have 2 waved Emerson Commmanders, and it IS that fast. It's also hard on your pockets and blades. So if you end up playing/practicing alot with the wave feature be prepared for accelerated wear on the edges of your pant and the lock of the knife. The wave rockets the blade out.

C :spyder:

Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 4:23 am
by jlh2600
Seriously, wears out the lock faster? That actually kind of sucks.

Is this covered?

Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 5:35 pm
by Cameron23
It's hard on the knife. But as a side note: Joe Talmadge (Moderator) posted over in Blade Forums that he has the Endura 98 that's waved and he's never noticed any wear problems with his...and that the D/E-4s will be even tougher (liners and all). Incidentally, he also said that he doesn't care for liner locks in SD applications. ;)

So realistically, the additional wear and tear is kind of a moot point. I just brought it up because it has been a "concern" of some folks in the past, though I doubt it ever actually became a problem for them. I think some folks like to "what if" their knife choices to death, when realistically most choices will work for them it's (again) just a matter of preference. :)

C :spyder:

Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 12:10 pm
by Mr Blonde
For what it's worth, I recall the prototype Delica/Endura 4 with the waves being dark grey.

Wouter

Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 6:08 pm
by Monocrom
Cameron23 wrote:Advantages of tip-up carry...

Personal preference only. You can argue for and against with various What ifs, but it comes down to what you find most comfortable, accessable, etc.
Very true. Four out of the first five tactical folders I ever owned were tip-up carry only. But, I really do prefer tip-down.

Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 9:00 am
by JasonWW
Also, keep in mind that the wave feature will only work when carried in your front pocket.

Wave

Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 11:32 am
by Fuglee
Actually the wave works quite well when drawn out of the back pocket. Especially if you're drawing into reverse grip.

With a little practice, the wave also works very well when drawn from IWB.

I've been carrying my zip tied spydies for over a year now and have never had a problem with either the lock or them accidently opening on me. If you make sure the knife is pressed against the side of your pocket, it would be very hard for it to open accidently.

I just received my waved delica and it works very well. Superb knife.

The only problem I've had with the "wave" feature is a hole in the pocket of one of my jeans, but they were cheap jeans =) I've also cut slits in two of my shirts while drawing my zip tied karambit, though that's user error...


-Fugs

Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 11:39 am
by JasonWW
Hmmm, I gave up on the wave mod because I carry in the back pocket. What is this zip-tie thing you mentioned?
How exactly can the wave notch open it from the back pocket?
I didn't think it could.

Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 12:16 pm
by Fuglee
If you attach a ziptie to the spydie hole and then cut the excess off but leave the "nub thing" it catches on your pocket much like the "wave" feature. I've used it on my Chinook II, Karambit, and Cara Cara, it's worked very well in all cases.

The wave will work most anywhere with a little practice. You just have to make sure the motion is drawing the "wave" against fabric.

I like to carry my waved knives pressed up against the side of whatever pocket they're in. This way, when you reach into your pocket, you're running your hand down the spine of the knife. The "wave" is pressed up against the fabric and makes it much harder for something in your pocket to catch on it and open it accidently.

If I'm carrying the knife in my right back pocket, i'll usually move the clip to the opposite side and have the knife ride pressed against the right side of the right back pocket (if that makes any sense). This way, I grab the knife and draw it out while pulling forward and it opens into reverse grip.

If I don't want it to open into reverse grip, I leave the clip alone and have the knife ride pressed against the left side of my right back pocket. I grab the knife and pull to my left, behind my body, and the knife opens into normal grip. In both cases, the "wave" is still pressed against fabric to help prevent accidental openings.

Carring in waistband (IWB) works well if you give the knife a little twist as you're drawing it. This makes the wave catch on the waistband of your pants and open.

With practice you can get it to work almost anywhere. Although some places are definately safer then others to carry. I really like the "wave" feature, because even if it doesn't open the blade into locked position, it will almost always open the blade partially. If you add a slight wrist flick to your draw, it will snap the blade into locked position.

Don't know if the above info makes sense to anyone, hope it does =)

-Fugs

Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 2:05 pm
by Durbin
Can I preorder this from any dealer? Google was not loading or something earlier. new graham? GP knives? I think this would be a great knife.

Durbin