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Your thoughts on guns?

Only the military and law enforcement should have them. Normal citizens have no need for them.
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All guns should be destroyed. They kill people and they start wars.
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Everyone should carry one wherever they go. Theyr'e great tools.
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Only target and hunting guns should be sold. Assault rifles and pistols are for gangsters.
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spyderknut wrote:I think it depends on the state. Then if you want to travel between states it gets even trickier for you. Do you have travel plans,Ken? I'm sure your friend you plan to borrow from could inform you of his state laws regarding alien carry :eek: :D .
spyderknut

My travel plans have yet to be finalised.......as no one has invited me over yet!!!!! :o I live in hope! :D

Thanks for the advise anyway.

Simon

As informative as ever, thank you. As for which Spydie....I'm a bit busy today so can't dedicate enough time to your question to give a decisive answer. ;)

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allthough i do not posses any gun, i think they could be for everyone.
the state system should find another way how to prosecute missuse of guns, not to give them all away from people.
crime is never commited with a legal gun, but mostly with an illegal one =
it does not depend whether the gun is sold legally or not, if i want to shot someone or rob a bank i will not use a registered gun.

in u.s. you are prohibited to carry knives bigger then 3 inch of blade, why?
you can carry guns, but cannot carry more then 10 pieces ammo loaded inside the magazine - does this make any sense, i can take 3x10 magazine or one 30 round magazine? i have 30 bullets, so or so. but my blade must be shorter than 3 inch.

i am not certain to be true about these things, also take it not serious, and make it clear to me, if i am not true.
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[quote="Senate"]I choose the 4th one: "Only target and hunting guns should be sold. Assault rifles and pistols are for gangsters"
because it's the closest from my opinion but I want to precise something. I'm not against people having gun (I practice shooting since I'm 14), I'm just not in favor of people having access to any kind of gun (at least in my country :) ). Assault rifles and Machine guns might be fun to shoot but when I don't want to see them in everybody's hands (I"m not attacking anybody don't flame me ]
I´m with the French guy on this ;) :D
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224477 wrote:in u.s. you are prohibited to carry knives bigger then 3 inch of blade, why?
you can carry guns, but cannot carry more then 10 pieces ammo loaded inside the magazine - does this make any sense, i can take 3x10 magazine or one 30 round magazine? i have 30 bullets, so or so. but my blade must be shorter than 3 inch.

i am not certain to be true about these things, also take it not serious, and make it clear to me, if i am not true.
Not entirely true, though I understand why you might think so. Different areas have different laws pertaining to knives; for example, the jurisdiction I live in will allow carry of any single-edged knife up to 3.5" concealed, and any length as long as it is carried openly.


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A tool is a tool. Nothing more and nothing less. Withholding usefull tools from responsible citizens puts them at a disadvantage against those who are not and serves no purpose IMO.
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I think it is very important for the citizens of any "free" society to be "armed". About half of our founding fathers felt that a standing army was a bad thing, a threat to liberty. I belive that an unarmed citizenry is a citizenry open to the coersion and tyranny of ones government. I own a rifle and keep it in my home in the unlikely event I might have to defend my family and/or property from the "bad guys". It would be somewhat easy for me to obtain a permit for a handgun, I choose not to. My wife and I are expecting our first child and I wouldn't want a handgun around the house, though I would take all safety precautions. It's too much of a risk to me, my SKS is all I need I would think. UK Ken, I have several friends from Derbyshire and Cheshire who visit me in the States on a regular basis, I have taken them out to a shooting range several times, they like it very much, none of them had ever held a firearm before. They look at me funny when I tell them my Pop got me my first .22 rifle when I was 12 :D
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wotanson wrote:They look at me funny when I tell them my Pop got me my first .22 rifle when I was 12 :D
I wish that I could share the same experience with my son but this will never happen for us unless we use air weapons, still very exciting for a youngster!

Regards, Ken :(
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ok, i knew that my infos were not 100%, i wrote it even in my 1st tag.

but where is the difference if i carry it concealed or not? so may i go with a 32inch katana into a bar for a drink, but cannot have my endura, which is above 3,5" inside my waistband, under the shirt? - my english is not very good, so i try to explain what i think in an easy way, hopefully you will get it.
if it should come to a fight, or even knife fight, where is the difference between concealable and nonconcealable blade?


[quote="Hannibal Lecter"]Not entirely true, though I understand why you might think so. Different areas have different laws pertaining to knives]
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224477 wrote:but where is the difference if i carry it concealed or not? so may i go with a 32inch katana into a bar for a drink, but cannot have my endura, which is above 3,5" inside my waistband, under the shirt?


if it should come to a fight, or even knife fight, where is the difference between concealable and nonconcealable blade?
Yes, you are correct. It sounds stupid, but you are absolutely correct.

As far as a fight, the law remains the same about how it is handled, whether or not it is self-defense.

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wotanson wrote:I think it is very important for the citizens of any "free" society to be "armed". About half of our founding fathers felt that a standing army was a bad thing, a threat to liberty. I believe that an unarmed citizenry is a citizenry open to the coersion and tyranny of ones' government.
I agree that "an armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man is a subject," quoted from George Washington if memory serves.
wotanson wrote:I own a rifle and keep it in my home in the unlikely event I might have to defend my family and/or property from the "bad guys".
A rifle would be my last choice. Too much penetration in most cases, making it dangerous to others in the house, neighbors, etc. I consider a 12 gauge shotgun and #00 buckshot ideal, though a handgun with Glaser Safety Slugs is an acceptable alternative. Maximize delivery of energy, minimize excessive penetration. If the projectile exits the assailant, you have lost some of its power to protect you. Generous person that I am, I want an assailant to receive every foot pound of energy my handgun can produce]It would be somewhat easy for me to obtain a permit for a handgun, I choose not to. My wife and I are expecting our first child and I wouldn't want a handgun around the house, though I would take all safety precautions.[/QUOTE]

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it, especially if the requirements for obtaining one become more stringent in the future. At one time in my area, a hunters' safety card was all you needed for a permit to carry concealed; now you require an NRA-certified course certification or something equivalent.
wotanson wrote:It's too much of a risk to me, my SKS is all I need I would think.
Please see above comments again concerning rifles as a home protection tool. Take all precautions with handguns, certainly. There are handgun safes on the market that can be opened in total darkness by feel in a matter of seconds, which both secure your handgun against theft or misuse yet allow ready access for defense. Using a rifle in your home could easily cause injury to someone you had not intended, and that opens you up to all sorts of potential lawsuits. Just doing my part to try to keep my Spydie brethren (and sistren?) out of harm's way.
wotanson wrote:They look at me funny when I tell them my Pop got me my first .22 rifle when I was 12 :D
I was taught from an early age that to lay a finger on my father's firearms without him present and without his permission would result in swift and terrible punishment; it never crossed my mind. When I was old enough, he taught me how to shoot and how to safely handle firearms. My 6 year-old daughter will not touch a knife or gun without her daddy present; when she is in my opinion old enough to listen, retain, and obey safety rules unquestioningly she will be taught how to use both knives and firearms for enjoyment and defense. I see a Spyderco Cricket in her future as a first knife, and my father's .22 as a first rifle for precision shooting. :D

Please understand that I am not trying to razz you or give you a hard time; it is just that there are so many misconceptions about firearms and their most efficient use that I feel compelled to save people potential suffering. If you are more comfortable with the SKS as a home protection tool, then by all means stick with it, just please keep in mind that a 7.62x39mm FMJ projectile at over 2300fps will not be slowed a great deal by an average wall or by soft tissue, making it a grave threat to others unless you are alone in the house and have no neighbors closer than a couple of miles distant.

I could go on for days about firearms, but I'll shut up now (again). If anyone wants any questions answered offline, feel free to e-mail me privately.

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Hannibal,
No I don't belive you are razzin me at all. Yes a coachgun would be more effective than a rifle for strictly SD in the home, unfortunately I don't have the scratch for that at this time, besides the argument from the missus about having another gun would be too severe. My father would have rapped that .22 around my head if he ever saw me doing something with it I shouldn't have been doing :o , and I will teach my child the same hardcore Marine Corps safety rules my Dad taught me, and the gun will be locked in the gun safe as my .22 was and my SKS is now. I like the SKS because I can shoot it at the local range, which is somewhat of an occasional fun hobby for me. I do see your point about the pistol permit, I could get one for target shooting (no way I would attempt a concealed carry, not with my temper :D ) and regardless of whether or not I actually buy a pistol, I would have that permit in case the state changes its mind :mad: Ya did give me something to think about and I thank you for the info, Rob
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Cary Daily Use sparingly

i think every one that is law abiding has a right to carry
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First
Our Constitution does not grant us any rights. Our “Creator” does.

Second
OutofGum wrote: Why are there so many more killings by firearm in the US than in any other 1st world nation? In total and by population.
While the U.S. may have a higher rate of firearm killings, we are lower in Killings. That means we have a lower murder rate.

Third
We have a right to walk around carrying anything we wish (that’s the “shall not be infringed” part) as long as we aren’t harming anyone else. If someone can’t be trusted with a firearm based on past performance then that person should not be turned loose on society forcing us decent folks to deal with him/her.

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There is only one Constitutional gun law. The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution. All others, being infringments, are in violation of the law.


Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American...[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it ever will remain, in the hands of the people. -- Tench Coxe in the Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.
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I don't like guns (hey, I was at the artillery, they have other measurement units there ;) ) but I think it's a good thing to know how to use one.
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Hannibal,
Very well worded and thought out posts, Thank you. I do not have the experience that you possess, but my veiws are similar, responsible, law abiding citizens are not to worry about. Punishment that is very severe for criminal use of weapons is where energy and law should be focused.
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I have been around guns since i was 4 years old Ive been shooting since I was 6 I got my first gun a remington 870 youth 20 ga. when i turned 12 and when i turned 18 i went out and bought 3 guns I love them between me and my stepdad we have 26 i think. for those that think they can just take away our 2nd amendment right think about this if they decide they can just take away one of our rights granted to us where does it end? next thing we know freedom of speech is gone. i also am opposed to them keeping people on the fbi's terrorist watch from purchasing firearms. they have committed no crime and are law abiding citizens.they are buying the guns legally which means they are traceable and they have to go through a background check and gice their place of residence so they are easy to find. would the FBI rather them go out and buy an untraceable handgun off the street that the fbi doesnt know about? who decides whos on the list and whos not anyways what if they put me on the list ive committed no crime so y shouldnt i be able to own a firearm? im not a terrorist and i know that but they dont so how can they keep me from purchasing a firearm when their entire basis for the list is circumstantial? just my thoughs ill let it go before i get too worked up. this is one issue i am passionate about and they will pry my guns from my cold dead hands.

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We have had access to guns for years, with the exception of full-automatic weapons. But now a clampdown is in progress and most will have to hand in their weapons or apply to keep a few ( a costly and bureaucratic process).

As they say : "When guns are outlawed, only the outlaws will have guns" :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
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This opened a crock of crap. The problem in the U.S. is the legal system. They spend too much time making excuses for the violently guilty. Because of that, I and the rest of you decent folks suffer. I don't care what anyones opinion is on the subject, in my state I'm licensed to carry concealed and I do at times. Who it offends, I could care less. I've owned guns for 35 years with no problems. Because of potential theft I have to fortress my home against it. I have a mega safe, the law says I have to put trigger locks on when it's not under my direct control. The law says I'm just as guilty if my gun is stolen and used in a violent crime. Christ it never ends. Here in Mass. we have Mass. compliant guns, nothing else can be sold unless it was made prior to, I believe 1998, with these stupid "safety" features that do nothing to stop a crime. To become Mass. compliant, it's time consuming and expensive. The hope is manufactures will not go through the procedure and hence no new handguns to be legaly sold in the state. How about parents take control and teach their children right from wrong. Mine did. I played with toy guns as a child and I didn't want to wipe out my high school. Another thing that bugs me to no end is when someone finds out you like guns and the first words out of their mouth is "good thing I don't own any, I'd shoot the ____________". Fill in the blank with wife, dog. boss etc. That's the type of people that scare me. And they are the ones screaming gun control. A true gun person is respectiful of everyone. You never hear those type of comments from them. And how about the people who really think if you put a ban on all handguns, assault weapons, whatever that is, and whatever else, that will be the end of crime as we know it. Let's get real here, a deranged, criminal mind will find another way to hurt and destroy your life. He'll hold you hostage with a spoon, OK, ban spoons. He'll hit you with a baseball bat. OK, only professional players can have bats. In my state, a world class Olympic shooter couldn't get his license renewed. The only guns he owned were two custom free pistols valued at $5,000 ea. I read somewhere that in Great Britian, the Olympic pistol team went to France to train and practice because of their homecountry's laws. A member from there could shed some truth on that if they would. Pretty sad. But who cares right, shooting isn't a real sport. Owning a few hundred knives isn't a real hobby either. Watch out, after they deal with the gun problem they'll be after you too, and me. Then, any car that can go over the speed limit. why do you want one of those. Like I said, It will never end.

Whoa, what a rant...I feel better.
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