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Re: Striving For a Healthy Long Life

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2025 12:38 pm
by Naperville
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The risk of developing squamous cell carcinoma increases by 58% and basal cell carcinoma by 24% with visits to the tanning salon accumulated.

There are healthier ways to achieve a bronzed, beachy look.

Several products, from mists and drops to oils and sprays, are leading the charge for a sun-kissed glow — without the UV rays or cancer risk.

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Re: Striving For a Healthy Long Life

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2026 5:27 am
by Naperville
I still take quite a few supplements every day. My most important supplements are Glycine, NR and a one a day.

I've previously posted that I take Nicotinamide Riboside (NR), but I was only taking 600mg/day. Now I take 1000mg/day based on new research to avoid Alzheimer's Disease.


NAD+ (Nicotinamide Adenine Dinucleotide) levels decline with age and Alzheimer's, and boosting them with precursors like NR (Nicotinamide Riboside) shows promise in animal studies and early human trials for improving cognition, reducing inflammation, fixing faulty RNA splicing, and potentially reversing key AD pathologies like amyloid plaques, though human clinical results are still emerging. Restoring brain NAD+ levels appears to support energy, repair, and neuronal resilience, offering a potential therapeutic avenue for AD.

How NAD+ Relates to Alzheimer's
- Energy & Metabolism:
- NAD+ is crucial for cellular energy, and its depletion impairs brain cell function, contributing to AD.

Cellular Repair:
NAD+ helps with DNA repair and reduces cell stress (senescence) and inflammation, which are hallmarks of AD.

RNA Splicing:
- Boosting NAD+ can correct errors in RNA splicing, a process disrupted in AD, potentially restoring vital protein production, according to recent studies.

Plaques & Tangles:
- Restoring NAD+ levels has shown potential to reverse amyloid-beta plaques and tau tangles in animal models.

How to Increase NAD+
NAD+ Precursors:
- Supplements like Nicotinamide Riboside (NR) and Nicotinamide Mononucleotide (NMN) are readily available and convert to NAD+ in the body.

Enzyme Activation/Inhibition:
- Activating NAD+ producing enzymes or inhibiting degrading ones are other approaches.

Current Research & Future Directions
Promising Animal Studies:
- Extensive research in mice shows that increasing NAD+ can prevent, slow, and even reverse cognitive decline and AD-related brain damage.

Human Trials:
Pilot human studies using NR for Mild Cognitive Impairment (MCI) are underway, with some showing positive trends, but large-scale human trials are needed to confirm effectiveness.

Next Steps:
- Researchers are focusing on pinpointing specific mechanisms, evaluating complementary therapies, and testing these findings in diverse human populations.

In Summary: While evidence is strong in animal models, NAD+ supplementation shows significant promise as a strategy to combat Alzheimer's by boosting cellular health and reversing key disease features, with ongoing research looking to translate these findings to human patients.

Re: Striving For a Healthy Long Life

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2026 7:15 am
by SpyderEdgeForever
Naperville, supposedly this can stop arthritis eventually but what side effects will there be?

https://scitechdaily.com/anti-aging-inj ... arthritis/

I read that Japanese scientists learned how to transfer the ability of shark teeth to regrow new teeth to human teeth. But again, what side effects?

Re: Striving For a Healthy Long Life

Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2026 2:12 pm
by Naperville
SpyderEdgeForever wrote:
Sun Jan 04, 2026 7:15 am
Naperville, supposedly this can stop arthritis eventually but what side effects will there be?

https://scitechdaily.com/anti-aging-inj ... arthritis/

I read that Japanese scientists learned how to transfer the ability of shark teeth to regrow new teeth to human teeth. But again, what side effects?
I bookmarked the page after I read some of it. I bookmark a lot of medical pages in case I need some quick info. New things are always risky.

I do not want to opt in to be a test patient. But if your life is on the line? It's tough.

Man-o-Man, more than a year ago I was having problems with my back. Maybe 2 to 3 years ago. Turned out I have spinal stenosis. It was really painful for around 6 months. I was unable to walk more than 20 to 30 feet! I could not go for walks. I asked the Dr what they could do for me and he said NOTHING. He said they do not recommend surgery of any kind until you are stuck in a wheelchair and the pain is unbearable. Knock on wood.

Right away I knew that that I was lucky that it had not devolved to me being permanently in a wheelchair.

You know there are some days when you are thankful for the good things that happen and so far I have been very lucky. I had open heart surgery and I lived through that. It was like there was a gun at my temple. I had no choice, do the operation or die. I had cardiomyopathy, a small heart attack, heart failure, 3 clogged arteries, bad valve...and I went into the meeting just before my open heart surgery totally numb. I just said to the Dr, are you doing the surgery and he said "NO, I am the Dr assisting." When do we do it, "this week." OK. Let's do it.

Re: Striving For a Healthy Long Life

Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2026 8:12 pm
by SpyderEdgeForever
Very good points, Naperville my friend.

I know folks with stenosis, it is painful and debilitating. I so wish these conditions would get cured. How would you comfort friends who have been diagnosed with that?

I know a great man who spent his life working in heavy construction. It reminds me of some of your experiences you shared on here. As a job he liked it but it took a big toll on his back.

Re: Striving For a Healthy Long Life

Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2026 9:33 am
by Naperville
SpyderEdgeForever wrote:
Mon Jan 05, 2026 8:12 pm
Very good points, Naperville my friend.

I know folks with stenosis, it is painful and debilitating. I so wish these conditions would get cured. How would you comfort friends who have been diagnosed with that?

I know a great man who spent his life working in heavy construction. It reminds me of some of your experiences you shared on here. As a job he liked it but it took a big toll on his back.
I do not think that I got rid of the spinal stenosis, I think that I got rid of the inflammation. I was on ibuprofen and aspirin for quite a while and I got a lot of rest. Whatever I did to aggravate my back I will never know. My back is OK right now.

I ran into the same problem with the heel spurs. The pain was very high! Had to resign from my full time job. I took a lot of ibuprofen, aspirin and got a lot of rest. The inflammation must have been very high. I think that what you feel (pain) is the inflammation. I will say this, the shoes you wear matter, but my feet still hurt from time to time. I quit wearing my Danner leather boots with composite toe and put on softer, more flexible New Balance tennis shoes. I have to do stretching exercises for my feet and if I do not the pain comes right back.

Re: Striving For a Healthy Long Life

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2026 11:48 am
by SpyderEdgeForever
Naperville, I am so glad for all the info and advice.

I would like you and Jim to give me your brotherly opinions on this:

I have gotten better with food choices.
I do try to keep active and walk alot.
I am not involved in a gym.
I was but could not keep going consistently.
Another guy said I should find a trustworthy person to teach me boxing.
That ties in with your martial arts thread.

I do love to indulge at times in cheap bologna cold cuts and bread rolls.

I rationalized it by telling myself, At least I am not eating donuts and ice cream and candy.

Is that okay or unwise?

Re: Striving For a Healthy Long Life

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2026 8:47 pm
by Naperville
SpyderEdgeForever wrote:
Thu Jan 08, 2026 11:48 am
Naperville, I am so glad for all the info and advice.

I would like you and Jim to give me your brotherly opinions on this:

I have gotten better with food choices.
I do try to keep active and walk alot.
I am not involved in a gym.
I was but could not keep going consistently.
Another guy said I should find a trustworthy person to teach me boxing.
That ties in with your martial arts thread.

I do love to indulge at times in cheap bologna cold cuts and bread rolls.

I rationalized it by telling myself, At least I am not eating donuts and ice cream and candy.

Is that okay or unwise?
SEF, take exercise or walking very seriously.
https://www.foxnews.com/health/deadly-c ... y-suggests

Walking is #1. I am saying this for me as well as you and in 2026, I have to do far more. Try to increase your walking speed and miles walked per week until you are averaging 4 to 6 miles per day, 5 days per week. You may have to go for a walk twice per day to get that mileage in, that's fine. Keep your pace up, break a sweat, and change your t-shirt after the walk. Your heart will love you for the effort.

I am 65 and the last time that I lifted weights I was in my 30's. I may go back to very light lifting but it is dangerous for me as I have an artificial valve and it is not recommended. I will definitely be walking, jogging, doing jump-rope, squats, push-ups, sit-ups, and yoga/pilates and tai chi. You have to mix it up or you will quit. Just keep pushing.

We both need to talk to a nutritionist and dietitian. We have horrible diets. I stay away from the cold cuts now, but I still eat too much pizza and candy. Once a month I buy $10+ dollars worth of candy and eat it in two days. I have to buy more fruit, which is sweet enough, and I plan to do that in 2026. I am thinking about AND WILL sign up for a cooking class or three for healthy eating in 2026.

It really is garbage-in garbage-out, and I already had one mild heart attack and open heart surgery. I am trying to avoid sudden death, and I have to work harder.

Re: Striving For a Healthy Long Life

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2026 9:18 pm
by James Y
SpyderEdgeForever wrote:
Thu Jan 08, 2026 11:48 am
Naperville, I am so glad for all the info and advice.

I would like you and Jim to give me your brotherly opinions on this:

I have gotten better with food choices.
I do try to keep active and walk alot.
I am not involved in a gym.
I was but could not keep going consistently.
Another guy said I should find a trustworthy person to teach me boxing.
That ties in with your martial arts thread.

I do love to indulge at times in cheap bologna cold cuts and bread rolls.

I rationalized it by telling myself, At least I am not eating donuts and ice cream and candy.

Is that okay or unwise?

Like Naperville said, walking is the most important thing for you right now. Especially if you've been sedentary for so long.

As far as boxing goes, I would wait on that right now, depending on your age and physical condition. And learning boxing won't help if you can't or won't stick with it. The important thing is to find something you like and are willing to stick with. You're doing it for your health, not to become an athlete.

Learning how to cook for yourself is a vital skill, especially if you're single. I consider the ability to cook to be one of the important life skills. You don't need to be a fancy chef, but should have the ability to cook different types of meals. I personally have around 12 different dishes I can cook (some are of my own creation), which I rotate. And I've been planning to learn more. I cook enough to have leftovers for a few days. This way, I can control the ingredients I put into my meals. And I snack a lot on fruits, and eat plenty of vegetables.

I haven't eaten beef or pork since 1995, but still eat some chicken and turkey, and a tiny bit of fish (once in a blue moon). And I've had to go gluten-free since 2011.

That said, I don't consider my diet as being a health nut diet. The meals I cook taste good and are satisfying; otherwise, I wouldn't cook a specific dish.

Jim

Re: Striving For a Healthy Long Life

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2026 9:09 am
by SpyderEdgeForever
Thank you both so much.
A related question: as with all else we what what we pay for. Are Granola Bars, Cereal Bars, Energy Bars mostly just sugary sweets masked as healthy or do you think some are truly good?

I read the ingrediients. Some brands have very good grains, nuts, fruit, and other wholesome things.
But some contain bio engineered ingredients, high fructose corn syrup, and other toxic things.

I did find some chocolate peanut butter ones that are good. The downside: high carbs.

A long time hiker I know told me he carries food bars only as emergency backup nutrition, like if something goes wrong on the trail and that's all he has. Not as primary food, even when camping and hiking. He also said a better idea in his opinion is to put together a bag of quality trail mix instead of buying pre made bars.

Re: Striving For a Healthy Long Life

Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2026 2:31 pm
by Naperville
SpyderEdgeForever wrote:
Fri Jan 09, 2026 9:09 am
Thank you both so much.
A related question: as with all else we what what we pay for. Are Granola Bars, Cereal Bars, Energy Bars mostly just sugary sweets masked as healthy or do you think some are truly good?

I read the ingrediients. Some brands have very good grains, nuts, fruit, and other wholesome things.
But some contain bio engineered ingredients, high fructose corn syrup, and other toxic things.

I did find some chocolate peanut butter ones that are good. The downside: high carbs.

A long time hiker I know told me he carries food bars only as emergency backup nutrition, like if something goes wrong on the trail and that's all he has. Not as primary food, even when camping and hiking. He also said a better idea in his opinion is to put together a bag of quality trail mix instead of buying pre made bars.
I have not done any research on energy bars, but I have eaten them. Google might help to weed out the more healthy options.

Some of them do have a lot of sugar. I do not know which ones are best.

Re: Striving For a Healthy Long Life

Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2026 2:33 pm
by Naperville
I am going to finally get a full body scan and a huge blood panel and cancer screening. I have wanted several of these tests for years and I am going to see what the Cleveland Clinic thinks of the tests on Monday and schedule the tests with them or one of the following:

https://prenuvo.com/book

https://www.functionhealth.com/what-we-test

Re: Striving For a Healthy Long Life

Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2026 7:28 pm
by Scandi Grind
SpyderEdgeForever wrote:
Fri Jan 09, 2026 9:09 am
Thank you both so much.
A related question: as with all else we what what we pay for. Are Granola Bars, Cereal Bars, Energy Bars mostly just sugary sweets masked as healthy or do you think some are truly good?

I read the ingrediients. Some brands have very good grains, nuts, fruit, and other wholesome things.
But some contain bio engineered ingredients, high fructose corn syrup, and other toxic things.

I did find some chocolate peanut butter ones that are good. The downside: high carbs.

A long time hiker I know told me he carries food bars only as emergency backup nutrition, like if something goes wrong on the trail and that's all he has. Not as primary food, even when camping and hiking. He also said a better idea in his opinion is to put together a bag of quality trail mix instead of buying pre made bars.
Learning to cook some things for yourself is a great suggestion as mentioned before, and granola type stuff is something you can make too. My family makes delicious peanut butter bars ourself and it is a great snack that can be made with as healthy ingredients as you can afford as well as not having anything you don't want, like corn syrup and preservatives. Also if cheap bread is one of your indulgences, I recomend looking up the book "Artisan Bread In 15 Minutes A Day". They cover making bread in the easiest way that I have found and it is far superior in flavor and quality over store bought. If you have any questions on bread making I can give some pointers if you want to try it out.

Re: Striving For a Healthy Long Life

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2026 10:51 am
by Scandi Grind
This mornings bread that came out of the oven just 20 minutes ago.
homemadeBoule.JPG
Now try to tell me that doesn't look delicious. It's great out of the oven while the crust is still crispy, or after it has softened being stored a few days you can make some toast with it. I've made grilled turkey sandwiches with it too. Yum.

Re: Striving For a Healthy Long Life

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2026 8:15 pm
by Naperville
Scandi Grind wrote:
Sun Feb 08, 2026 10:51 am
This mornings bread that came out of the oven just 20 minutes ago.

homemadeBoule.JPG

Now try to tell me that doesn't look delicious. It's great out of the oven while the crust is still crispy, or after it has softened being stored a few days you can make some toast with it. I've made grilled turkey sandwiches with it too. Yum.
Looks good to me!

What do I have to do to make those? Tell me exactly what I need.

Re: Striving For a Healthy Long Life

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2026 8:05 pm
by Scandi Grind
Naperville wrote:
Sun Feb 08, 2026 8:15 pm
Scandi Grind wrote:
Sun Feb 08, 2026 10:51 am
This mornings bread that came out of the oven just 20 minutes ago.

homemadeBoule.JPG

Now try to tell me that doesn't look delicious. It's great out of the oven while the crust is still crispy, or after it has softened being stored a few days you can make some toast with it. I've made grilled turkey sandwiches with it too. Yum.
Looks good to me!

What do I have to do to make those? Tell me exactly what I need.
Let's see if I can get this all down in one go.

Starting with cookware you are going to need a baking sheet big enough for however many boules you want to make. A medium pan works for one, if you want to do two at a time you will need the biggest baking pan that will fit in your oven most likely. I like using Nordic Ware aluminum baking sheets because they don't have teflon on them, but other pans should work too. Dark pans may effect the bottom crust slightly differently.

Other than the baking sheet you are going to need one of two steaming methods:

Method number one: A broiler pan to put water in under your bread to steam it during baking or...

Method number two: A stainless bowl for each bread you want to make that is big enough to cover the boule with out touching the bread at full rise.

I used to put a broiler pan with water to steam my bread, but then water started collecting in the oven in places I didn't want it. I switched over to covering with stainless bowls and I like it just as much flavor wise. It does require putting bowls on and off during baking though, which I will explain in the baking instructions.

OK, so you have a baking sheet, and a steaming solution. Next let's talk ingredients. You will need all purpose flour, salt, sugar, and instant yeast. I prefer larger bags of yeast that I can measure different amounts out of, but there are usually individual packets that I see at stores. The stuff I have is a one pound bag of Bellarise, but you might not be able to use that much very quickly. Whatever you can find should work fine.

Now making dough. You are basically going to make a big batch of dough at least a day ahead of time then pull hunks off of it when you want to make bread. The dough will store in the fridge for up to two weeks.

Start by putting 2 tbsp sugar, 1 tbsp salt, and 1 tbsp yeast in a large mixing bowl. Heat 3 cups of water in the microwave to about 110 degrees F. I just check it with my finger, the water should feel slightly warm. Pour the water in the bowl and give it a little stir. The sugar, salt and yeast do not need to totally dissolve, just mix them up a bit. Now measure 6 1/2 cups flour into the bowl using a scoop and scrap method, flattening the top of the cup with a butter knife. This is a no-knead recipe. All you have to do is stir the dough up with a wooden spoon until the texture becomes uniform and there are no powdery spots left. Your bowl has to be big enough to fit about twice as much as the unrisen dough.

Some people like to use a heavy duty stand mixer to mix the dough, but I prefer simply mixing by hand as I don't find it too difficult and all I have to do is wash the wood spoon when I'm done. It isn't like beating eggs, so don't be afraid to mess around with mixing movements. I tend to mix by holding the spoon in a hammer grip supported by my upright thumb and shovel the outer edges of the dough towards the center until it is mixed.

Once the dough is mixed, cover the bowl with plastic wrap and poke a few holes in the top to allow air out. Set this out on the counter somewhere for about 2 hours to rise. Somewhere warmish is a good spot. If your house is cold, it can take longer to rise. If you accidentally leave the bread out longer than intended it should still be fine, even over night. After it has risen, I usually put another piece of plastic wrap over it, then put it in the fridge. By the next day it will be ready to use and will be good for the next two weeks. Over time it will develop more sourdough notes.

On baking day grab your baking sheet and put a light layer of oil on the spot where your bread will go, or you can put a piece of parchment paper on it. I use olive oil because vegetable oil turns really sticky when baked and is harder to clean off the pan. I just put a little oil on a paper towel, then rub the towel over the pan. Parchment paper is cleaner and easier it just costs more.

Pull your dough out of the fridge and sprinkle some flour over the top. Gently rub that flour around so that the top of your dough isn't sticky. Grab a plate and sprinkle some flour on it. What you want to do is cut off a piece of dough about the size of a grapefruit, or around 1 lb., and put it on your floured plate, with the sticky side up. I actually shoot for 13 oz. and use a kitchen scale under the floured plate to get it accurate. I find 13 oz. makes four almost perfectly equal sized loaves from this amount of dough. Now that your dough in on the plate you want to gently fold the sticky sections on the right and left edges in toward the center of your dough piece. Rotate 90 degrees and repeat. It is almost like folding a blanket into the shape of a little bag. Pinch the sticky sections together where they meet towards the center. Once it is all stuck together well you can gently rub some flour over the whole outside, then flip your dough over pinched side down, and put it on your baking sheet. The pinched sections will even out a bit by themselves on the underside. You want to avoid handling the dough more than necessary, specifically smashing it, during this entire process. The goal it to maintain all the air bubbles that were formed during the initial rise.

Now let this set out for 40 minutes total to "rise". If it doesn't look like it has risen that is OK, most of the rise will actually come in the oven. After 20 minutes of rising I preheat the oven to 450. This gives the oven a good 20 mins. to reach a uniform temperature. When 40 minutes have passed sprinkle some flour on top of your dough ball, gently brush it over the top, then using a sharp knife, slash it in your preferred pattern. I use a boning knife or paring knife sharpened to a coarse grit for this.

Now your bread goes in the oven, but we have to address steaming methods.

If you are steaming with a broiler pan, you need a shelf in your oven to put it on that won't interfere with the rising bread. I used to put it under the bread shelf. Make sure your bread is roughly center height in the oven. If you don't have a shelf that can fit the broiler pan, then consider the other method. The broiler pan should be in your oven during preheat. Before you put the bread in the oven, get one cup of water and microwave it until it feels very warm, then pour it into the broiler pan. Immediately afterward put your bread in and shut the door to trap the steam. Be careful pouring in the water, it will want to bubble and steam a lot for second. Bake for 30-35 minutes or until it has reached desired crisp.

Or if using bowls for steaming like I do now, start by putting your bread in uncovered to get good initial oven spring. Cook uncovered for 8 mins. Cover for 10 mins. with a stainless bowl to prevent the bread from hardening too fast. Uncover for another 10-14 minutes in order to get desired crisp.

Exact cook times will vary, so watch it more closely the first time to see how long it takes in your kitchen. When using the bowl steaming method the loaves will tend to come out lighter in color than the broiler pan method when cooked the same amount of time. If you want to make sure it is done, bread cooked to the same temperature as meat has never failed to be done enough to remove from the oven for me. Typically by the time you get a nice caramel colored crust you will be thoroughly heated through.

Let the bread cool before cutting, it is still cooking in a certain sense even after leaving the oven. It seems to take about 30 mins. to properly cool for me.

That probably sounds like a lot, but hopefully I made it easy to understand. Once you have done it a few times it becomes fairly straightforward. If you can't eat that much bread in a two weeks, this recipe can always be halved, which will give you two loaves made this way. I will try to post some in progress to give a better idea of the process too.

Re: Striving For a Healthy Long Life

Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2026 7:30 am
by Naperville
Scandi Grind wrote:
Mon Feb 09, 2026 8:05 pm
Naperville wrote:
Sun Feb 08, 2026 8:15 pm
Scandi Grind wrote:
Sun Feb 08, 2026 10:51 am
This mornings bread that came out of the oven just 20 minutes ago.

homemadeBoule.JPG

Now try to tell me that doesn't look delicious. It's great out of the oven while the crust is still crispy, or after it has softened being stored a few days you can make some toast with it. I've made grilled turkey sandwiches with it too. Yum.
Looks good to me!

What do I have to do to make those? Tell me exactly what I need.
Let's see if I can get this all down in one go.

Starting with cookware you are going to need a baking sheet big enough for however many boules you want to make. A medium pan works for one, if you want to do two at a time you will need the biggest baking pan that will fit in your oven most likely. I like using Nordic Ware aluminum baking sheets because they don't have teflon on them, but other pans should work too. Dark pans may effect the bottom crust slightly differently.

Other than the baking sheet you are going to need one of two steaming methods:

Method number one: A broiler pan to put water in under your bread to steam it during baking or...

Method number two: A stainless bowl for each bread you want to make that is big enough to cover the boule with out touching the bread at full rise.

I used to put a broiler pan with water to steam my bread, but then water started collecting in the oven in places I didn't want it. I switched over to covering with stainless bowls and I like it just as much flavor wise. It does require putting bowls on and off during baking though, which I will explain in the baking instructions.

OK, so you have a baking sheet, and a steaming solution. Next let's talk ingredients. You will need all purpose flour, salt, sugar, and instant yeast. I prefer larger bags of yeast that I can measure different amounts out of, but there are usually individual packets that I see at stores. The stuff I have is a one pound bag of Bellarise, but you might not be able to use that much very quickly. Whatever you can find should work fine.

Now making dough. You are basically going to make a big batch of dough at least a day ahead of time then pull hunks off of it when you want to make bread. The dough will store in the fridge for up to two weeks.

Start by putting 2 tbsp sugar, 1 tbsp salt, and 1 tbsp yeast in a large mixing bowl. Heat 3 cups of water in the microwave to about 110 degrees F. I just check it with my finger, the water should feel slightly warm. Pour the water in the bowl and give it a little stir. The sugar, salt and yeast do not need to totally dissolve, just mix them up a bit. Now measure 6 1/2 cups flour into the bowl using a scoop and scrap method, flattening the top of the cup with a butter knife. This is a no-knead recipe. All you have to do is stir the dough up with a wooden spoon until the texture becomes uniform and there are no powdery spots left. Your bowl has to be big enough to fit about twice as much as the unrisen dough.

Some people like to use a heavy duty stand mixer to mix the dough, but I prefer simply mixing by hand as I don't find it too difficult and all I have to do is wash the wood spoon when I'm done. It isn't like beating eggs, so don't be afraid to mess around with mixing movements. I tend to mix by holding the spoon in a hammer grip supported by my upright thumb and shovel the outer edges of the dough towards the center until it is mixed.

Once the dough is mixed, cover the bowl with plastic wrap and poke a few holes in the top to allow air out. Set this out on the counter somewhere for about 2 hours to rise. Somewhere warmish is a good spot. If your house is cold, it can take longer to rise. If you accidentally leave the bread out longer than intended it should still be fine, even over night. After it has risen, I usually put another piece of plastic wrap over it, then put it in the fridge. By the next day it will be ready to use and will be good for the next two weeks. Over time it will develop more sourdough notes.

On baking day grab your baking sheet and put a light layer of oil on the spot where your bread will go, or you can put a piece of parchment paper on it. I use olive oil because vegetable oil turns really sticky when baked and is harder to clean off the pan. I just put a little oil on a paper towel, then rub the towel over the pan. Parchment paper is cleaner and easier it just costs more.

Pull your dough out of the fridge and sprinkle some flour over the top. Gently rub that flour around so that the top of your dough isn't sticky. Grab a plate and sprinkle some flour on it. What you want to do is cut off a piece of dough about the size of a grapefruit, or around 1 lb., and put it on your floured plate, with the sticky side up. I actually shoot for 13 oz. and use a kitchen scale under the floured plate to get it accurate. I find 13 oz. makes four almost perfectly equal sized loaves from this amount of dough. Now that your dough in on the plate you want to gently fold the sticky sections on the right and left edges in toward the center of your dough piece. Rotate 90 degrees and repeat. It is almost like folding a blanket into the shape of a little bag. Pinch the sticky sections together where they meet towards the center. Once it is all stuck together well you can gently rub some flour over the whole outside, then flip your dough over pinched side down, and put it on your baking sheet. The pinched sections will even out a bit by themselves on the underside. You want to avoid handling the dough more than necessary, specifically smashing it, during this entire process. The goal it to maintain all the air bubbles that were formed during the initial rise.

Now let this set out for 40 minutes total to "rise". If it doesn't look like it has risen that is OK, most of the rise will actually come in the oven. After 20 minutes of rising I preheat the oven to 450. This gives the oven a good 20 mins. to reach a uniform temperature. When 40 minutes have passed sprinkle some flour on top of your dough ball, gently brush it over the top, then using a sharp knife, slash it in your preferred pattern. I use a boning knife or paring knife sharpened to a coarse grit for this.

Now your bread goes in the oven, but we have to address steaming methods.

If you are steaming with a broiler pan, you need a shelf in your oven to put it on that won't interfere with the rising bread. I used to put it under the bread shelf. Make sure your bread is roughly center height in the oven. If you don't have a shelf that can fit the broiler pan, then consider the other method. The broiler pan should be in your oven during preheat. Before you put the bread in the oven, get one cup of water and microwave it until it feels very warm, then pour it into the broiler pan. Immediately afterward put your bread in and shut the door to trap the steam. Be careful pouring in the water, it will want to bubble and steam a lot for second. Bake for 30-35 minutes or until it has reached desired crisp.

Or if using bowls for steaming like I do now, start by putting your bread in uncovered to get good initial oven spring. Cook uncovered for 8 mins. Cover for 10 mins. with a stainless bowl to prevent the bread from hardening too fast. Uncover for another 10-14 minutes in order to get desired crisp.

Exact cook times will vary, so watch it more closely the first time to see how long it takes in your kitchen. When using the bowl steaming method the loaves will tend to come out lighter in color than the broiler pan method when cooked the same amount of time. If you want to make sure it is done, bread cooked to the same temperature as meat has never failed to be done enough to remove from the oven for me. Typically by the time you get a nice caramel colored crust you will be thoroughly heated through.

Let the bread cool before cutting, it is still cooking in a certain sense even after leaving the oven. It seems to take about 30 mins. to properly cool for me.

That probably sounds like a lot, but hopefully I made it easy to understand. Once you have done it a few times it becomes fairly straightforward. If you can't eat that much bread in a two weeks, this recipe can always be halved, which will give you two loaves made this way. I will try to post some in progress to give a better idea of the process too.
Thank you!

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I'll have to do it a few times, then spring my skills on somebody!

Re: Striving For a Healthy Long Life

Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2026 12:02 pm
by Scandi Grind
No problem! Here are a couple in progress pictures from a bit ago. This was with the broiler pan steaming method which comes out with the darker crust.
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Re: Striving For a Healthy Long Life

Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2026 1:02 pm
by SpyderEdgeForever
Naperville wrote:
Sun Dec 21, 2025 12:38 pm
Melanoma? Skin cancer is on the rise because younger folks are hitting the tanning beds.

The risk of developing squamous cell carcinoma increases by 58% and basal cell carcinoma by 24% with visits to the tanning salon accumulated.

There are healthier ways to achieve a bronzed, beachy look.

Several products, from mists and drops to oils and sprays, are leading the charge for a sun-kissed glow — without the UV rays or cancer risk.

https://nypost.com/2025/12/21/health/ta ... eadly-way/
That is acary. I remember years ago speaking with a woman about 30 who told me she was addicted to tanning. She went to salons she said and went under the UV lamps. Her skin was very tanned and she admitted that she felt ugly if she did not get a tan.

I told her she is attractive and those things are poison and deadly. And that if a man loves her he should accept her as she is with no fake tanning.

I got a horrific sunburn at a beach years ago. I fell asleep in shorts and a t shirt on a beach towel. I awoke in full summer sun. It hurt for weeks even after using moisturizer to try to ease the soreness.

Re: Striving For a Healthy Long Life

Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2026 3:37 pm
by Naperville
SpyderEdgeForever wrote:
Tue Feb 10, 2026 1:02 pm
Naperville wrote:
Sun Dec 21, 2025 12:38 pm
Melanoma? Skin cancer is on the rise because younger folks are hitting the tanning beds.

The risk of developing squamous cell carcinoma increases by 58% and basal cell carcinoma by 24% with visits to the tanning salon accumulated.

There are healthier ways to achieve a bronzed, beachy look.

Several products, from mists and drops to oils and sprays, are leading the charge for a sun-kissed glow — without the UV rays or cancer risk.

https://nypost.com/2025/12/21/health/ta ... eadly-way/
That is acary. I remember years ago speaking with a woman about 30 who told me she was addicted to tanning. She went to salons she said and went under the UV lamps. Her skin was very tanned and she admitted that she felt ugly if she did not get a tan.

I told her she is attractive and those things are poison and deadly. And that if a man loves her he should accept her as she is with no fake tanning.

I got a horrific sunburn at a beach years ago. I fell asleep in shorts and a t shirt on a beach towel. I awoke in full summer sun. It hurt for weeks even after using moisturizer to try to ease the soreness.
When I was in my early 20's I was friends with a woman's daughter(say 23 years old), and the mother laid out every day and sprayed baby oil on herself to tan. Even then, before the word got out regarding how dangerous the Sun was, I was like....NO WAY, I'M NOT THAT INTO IT.

My brother had a few sunburns and he had melanoma cut off of his shoulder. I told him to follow up on all of that but he's stubborn and doesn't listen to me.