Striving For a Healthy Long Life

[Naperville]

Scientists are trying to push health and lifespan out to 150 years, but that looks like the hard limit right now.

The Links in the Post Below:

https://www.popularmechanics.com/scienc ... s-science/

https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/844781

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv ... 4.full.pdf

https://scholar.google.com/citations?vi ... md_mFXekcC

[James Y]

The Rock is a Professional Liar



The key point of this is: Don't take steroids. That Dwayne Johnson was lying about being completely natural, and not having taken steroids since age 19, was always BS. DJ is a billionaire professional conman. And by telling his followers these lies, he is potentially harming them, if they are inspired by him and want to emulate him. Because nobody becomes built like DJ was without some form of artifical enhancements through drugs. And especially not be bigger and more ripped like he was in his 50s than he was in his 20s. Many people are highly prone to being influenced by celebrities they look up to.

The truth is that he had to stop using (or cut back heavily on) the steroids because he has heart problems, most likely caused by long-term steroid use. And he's blaming his weight loss on his latest movie role, which was filmed last year, well BEFORE he was off the steroids and lost 60 or so pounds of muscle mass in a few short months. The problem with chronic liars is they can never keep their lies straight enough to line up with the facts, to even make them plausible.

I heard that DJ wants to someday run for president. If he does, I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up winning. He already has the dishonesty of a politician, and the ability to hoodwink a high enough percentage of the American population.

Jim

[TkoK83Spy]

Scientists are trying to push health and lifespan out to 150 years, but that looks like the hard limit right now.

The Links in the Post Below:

https://www.popularmechanics.com/scienc ... s-science/

https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/844781

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv ... 4.full.pdf

https://scholar.google.com/citations?vi ... md_mFXekcC

Can you imagine how horrendous a 150 year old living person would look?!?! I certainly hope this doesn't become a thing during our lifetimes!

[James Y]

If "they" could extend the human lifespan to 150 years, I highly doubt it's gonna be for the Average Joe Schmoe. It'll be for the Bill Gates's, the Jeff Bezos's, the Peter Thiels, the Soros's, etc., of the world. The ones who are in favor of a mass reduction of the world's population.

Even if it was available to me, I wouldn't want it. Who wants to have to hustle and grind in a human life for 150 years? Not me. I'll take for as long as I'm of sound mind and body, and then I'm ready to go. I'm not afraid of crossing over, so I'll take as long as my healthy, natural lifespan.

Jim

[Scandi Grind]

I don't think it will be possible to extend peoples' lifespan that much for reasons most would call dumb. (shrug) Even if I could get my hands on something that supposes to do this I wouldn't take it. Mostly because I'd be afraid side effects that tend to come with ideas like this, which sometimes can reduce your lifespan...

I do believe that people will develop stuff like this then make false claims about people living 150 years at some point though. Then who knows, maybe they can get a few billionaires to buy it regardless of whether it actually works and make out like bandits.

[Naperville]

GOOD NEWS: Rapamycin and acarbose will be added to my stack sometime next week. Everything was approved and the pills are on the way. Google "rapamycin and acarbose" and see what I am in for.



I watched a few videos of 100+ year olds. Not everyone ages the same. Not at all.

Do I want to live to be 120? Not sure on that. I do not think I am going to make it to 100. I worry about right now and tomorrow, that is why I take supplements. I am not in great health and I am thankful for every day. BELIEVE THAT.

My grandmother who lived to almost 102, jumped rope every day until she was in her 70's. She was walking around unassisted well into her late 90's. I am already not faring as well, and she was an inspiration.

Some people look like heck at 50. Some at 100 look like they are around 75.

Things are going to rapidly change over the next 20+ years and what we think of 85 will no longer be a bedridden human, but a fairly capable human that can take care of themself.

If wrinkles are the worst that come to me then bring them on, it's other things that worry me.

[cabfrank]

A healthy life is more about quality of years than quantity of years generally speaking, and within reason. At least I think so.

[Naperville]

A healthy life is more about quality of years than quantity of years generally speaking, and within reason. At least I think so.

YEP. I am trying to get the best healthspan that I can. I have too many ailments that will make sure that I do not see 100. It would be a miracle.

[cabfrank]

100 is a reach for all of us at this time.

[Naperville]

100 is a reach for all of us at this time.

If the fools quit making the next great military weapon and figure out how to rid the human body of cardiovascular disease, I might make it to 100, otherwise, I don't know.

I take the supplements K2-MK7 and K2-MK4 to keep my arteries where they are right now, but will it work? I think my disease is getting worse over time and it kills!

[Scandi Grind]

If the fools quit making the next great military weapon and figure out how to rid the human body of cardiovascular disease, I might make it to 100, otherwise, I don't know.

Well, both military weapons and medical science help people live to 100. They both have to help each other out. How much should be invested in either is an argument nobody can win because it is a balancing act that has no absolute answer. Pouring money into things isn't always the way to find the solution either. Often times what is needed the right people, and you can't always buy those.

Hopefully some of the currently available supplements or treatments will help stabilize or improve your condition though, or maybe even something that may come out in the near future. One of my brothers is supposed to be good now, but he needed open heart surgery when he was very young. That was a scary first in my family. We still keep an eye on any possible symptoms.

Keep doing your best to take care of yourself, mentallity goes a long way.

[Naperville]

If the fools quit making the next great military weapon and figure out how to rid the human body of cardiovascular disease, I might make it to 100, otherwise, I don't know.

Well, both military weapons and medical science help people live to 100. They both have to help each other out. How much should be invested in either is an argument nobody can win because it is a balancing act that has no absolute answer. Pouring money into things isn't always the way to find the solution either. Often times what is needed the right people, and you can't always buy those.

Hopefully some of the currently available supplements or treatments will help stabilize or improve your condition though, or maybe even something that may come out in the near future. One of my brothers is supposed to be good now, but he needed open heart surgery when he was very young. That was a scary first in my family. We still keep an eye on any possible symptoms.

Keep doing your best to take care of yourself, mentallity goes a long way.

YES of course you are right, and I should have said a better balance in spending. Many many great inventions come directly from our military. And our military keeps us safe, by making us a porcupine that few desire to attack. I prefer the US Military over any politician or US Agency.

Positive attitude is a goal. I need to work on it.

(Google says) "Cardiovascular disease kills more than 695,000 people in the United States each year, making it the leading cause of death"... I just don't want to be one of them.

As I get older sometimes I wonder what I really need to worry about, the perp wanting an easy target, or the silent killers inside my body like cardiovascular disease. Probably the latter!

[James Y]

If the fools quit making the next great military weapon and figure out how to rid the human body of cardiovascular disease, I might make it to 100, otherwise, I don't know.

Well, both military weapons and medical science help people live to 100. They both have to help each other out. How much should be invested in either is an argument nobody can win because it is a balancing act that has no absolute answer. Pouring money into things isn't always the way to find the solution either. Often times what is needed the right people, and you can't always buy those.

Hopefully some of the currently available supplements or treatments will help stabilize or improve your condition though, or maybe even something that may come out in the near future. One of my brothers is supposed to be good now, but he needed open heart surgery when he was very young. That was a scary first in my family. We still keep an eye on any possible symptoms.

Keep doing your best to take care of yourself, mentallity goes a long way.

YES of course you are right, and I should have said a better balance in spending. Many many great inventions come directly from our military. And our military keeps us safe, by making us a porcupine that few desire to attack. I prefer the US Military over any politician or US Agency.

Positive attitude is a goal. I need to work on it.

(Google says) "Cardiovascular disease kills more than 695,000 people in the United States each year, making it the leading cause of death"... I just don't want to be one of them.

As I get older sometimes I wonder what I really need to worry about, the perp wanting an easy target, or the silent killers inside my body like cardiovascular disease. Probably the latter!

Many years ago, I knew a guy who told me that martial arts training is useless BS. He said "all that stuff" would never work in a fight, and that the only thing that's useful are his (name his firearms here). OTOH, he was obese, never exercised, had crap dietary habits, and also developed a serious heart condition from that.

The truth was that he didn't have to worry about having to protect himself from somebody else; he had already been destroying himself for decades.

Of course, I'm not shaming people with health issues. I have a hip issue, and sometimes I don't feel like exercising, or training; whereas in the past, I was crazy about it. Yet I still make myself train as best as I can, and it always makes me feel good afterwards. Some changes in emphasis and even quantity of training have been required, but I still do it. And there are some aspects of my training that I've gotten better at.

Martial arts "lifers" are exceedingly rare. Most young people who train in martial arts, including those who train in combat sports recreationally, are eventually going to quit cold turkey, and will probably stop exercising altogether. As they reach their teens and young adulthood, they will have other interests and obligations. Or they might become discouraged if they can't train the exact same way they could in their teens and 20s. And most people consider themselves "old" by their mid-30s or early 40s. I'm 62, and while I know I'm considered in the older crowd, I neither feel nor see myself as an "old man." Attitude has a lot to do with quality of life as you age.

Jim

[SpyderEdgeForever]

Jim and Naperville, what is a "bare minimum" but effective exercise routine for someone to do if all they can do is exactly 1 hour or even only 20 to 30 minutes per day of it, and no joining gyms or spending multiple hours per day at it?

Or is that sortof like wanting a knife thst has Native Chief quality but at discount store prices?

[Scandi Grind]

Of course, I'm not shaming people with health issues. I have a hip issue, and sometimes I don't feel like exercising, or training; whereas in the past, I was crazy about it. Yet I still make myself train as best as I can, and it always makes me feel good afterwards. Some changes in emphasis and even quantity of training have been required, but I still do it. And there are some aspects of my training that I've gotten better at.

Martial arts "lifers" are exceedingly rare. Most young people who train in martial arts, including those who train in combat sports recreationally, are eventually going to quit cold turkey, and will probably stop exercising altogether. As they reach their teens and young adulthood, they will have other interests and obligations. Or they might become discouraged if they can't train the exact same way they could in their teens and 20s. And most people consider themselves "old" by their mid-30s or early 40s. I'm 62, and while I know I'm considered in the older crowd, I neither feel nor see myself as an "old man." Attitude has a lot to do with quality of life as you age.

Jim

I have some pretty significant health limitations. Most days I wake up tired, but I learned not to let other peoples definition of how to train stop me from learning. I am just a beginner, but by learning in a fashion that suits my limitations I am actually learning instead of merely throwing in the towel and giving up. Really my whole life is kind of like that at this point, I have to learn to live in a different way so that I can continue to plug along. It isn't easy, but I have things I want to do and a life to keep living, so I adapt.

One of my martial arts core concepts has become, "Integrate martial arts into your life, not your life into martial arts." If you try to change your life to fit into some outside martial arts schedule, most likely life will take over and you won't be able find enough hours in the week. Most people then give up. Your life is often what it is for a reason and can't be shoved into an ill fitting martial arts regimen. Instead I looked at what I am capable of, where my time is, and found ways to train inside the life I have. By doing this I might be learning slower, but I have not needed to stop training because my system fits inside of my life well. I forsee being able to train this way for the rest of my life. This does take a real investment in self teaching, which not everyone should or can do well, but where there is a will, there is a way.

[James Y]

Of course, I'm not shaming people with health issues. I have a hip issue, and sometimes I don't feel like exercising, or training; whereas in the past, I was crazy about it. Yet I still make myself train as best as I can, and it always makes me feel good afterwards. Some changes in emphasis and even quantity of training have been required, but I still do it. And there are some aspects of my training that I've gotten better at.

Martial arts "lifers" are exceedingly rare. Most young people who train in martial arts, including those who train in combat sports recreationally, are eventually going to quit cold turkey, and will probably stop exercising altogether. As they reach their teens and young adulthood, they will have other interests and obligations. Or they might become discouraged if they can't train the exact same way they could in their teens and 20s. And most people consider themselves "old" by their mid-30s or early 40s. I'm 62, and while I know I'm considered in the older crowd, I neither feel nor see myself as an "old man." Attitude has a lot to do with quality of life as you age.

Jim

I have some pretty significant health limitations. Most days I wake up tired, but I learned not to let other peoples definition of how to train stop me from learning. I am just a beginner, but by learning in a fashion that suits my limitations I am actually learning instead of merely throwing in the towel and giving up. Really my whole life is kind of like that at this point, I have to learn to live in a different way so that I can continue to plug along. It isn't easy, but I have things I want to do and a life to keep living, so I adapt.

One of my martial arts core concepts has become, "Integrate martial arts into your life, not your life into martial arts." If you try to change your life to fit into some outside martial arts schedule, most likely life will take over and you won't be able find enough hours in the week. Most people then give up. Your life is often what it is for a reason and can't be shoved into an ill fitting martial arts regimen. Instead I looked at what I am capable of, where my time is, and found ways to train inside the life I have. By doing this I might be learning slower, but I have not needed to stop training because my system fits inside of my life well. I forsee being able to train this way for the rest of my life. This does take a real investment in self teaching, which not everyone should or can do well, but where there is a will, there is a way.

That's the best way for not only martial arts, but exercise in general. Unless someone is a professional athlete, then working your training around your life is probably going to be better in the long run than working your life around your training. Slow and steady is better than going gangbusters for awhile, then burning out (or blowing out) and stopping cold turkey.

Interesting enough, my dad was awarded a 2nd dan in Judo while in the internment camp during WW2. But he went cold turkey afterwards out of necessity. But having grown up in a large farming family, and later working on a professional tuna boat, and still later as a gardener, he had almost a Charles Atlas type of build well into middle age, in spite of never having touched a set of weights in his life. He had laborer's strength.

Jim

[Naperville]

If the fools quit making the next great military weapon and figure out how to rid the human body of cardiovascular disease, I might make it to 100, otherwise, I don't know.

Well, both military weapons and medical science help people live to 100. They both have to help each other out. How much should be invested in either is an argument nobody can win because it is a balancing act that has no absolute answer. Pouring money into things isn't always the way to find the solution either. Often times what is needed the right people, and you can't always buy those.

Hopefully some of the currently available supplements or treatments will help stabilize or improve your condition though, or maybe even something that may come out in the near future. One of my brothers is supposed to be good now, but he needed open heart surgery when he was very young. That was a scary first in my family. We still keep an eye on any possible symptoms.

Keep doing your best to take care of yourself, mentallity goes a long way.

YES of course you are right, and I should have said a better balance in spending. Many many great inventions come directly from our military. And our military keeps us safe, by making us a porcupine that few desire to attack. I prefer the US Military over any politician or US Agency.

Positive attitude is a goal. I need to work on it.

(Google says) "Cardiovascular disease kills more than 695,000 people in the United States each year, making it the leading cause of death"... I just don't want to be one of them.

As I get older sometimes I wonder what I really need to worry about, the perp wanting an easy target, or the silent killers inside my body like cardiovascular disease. Probably the latter!

Many years ago, I knew a guy who told me that martial arts training is useless BS. He said "all that stuff" would never work in a fight, and that the only thing that's useful are his (name his firearms here). OTOH, he was obese, never exercised, had crap dietary habits, and also developed a serious heart condition from that.

The truth was that he didn't have to worry about having to protect himself from somebody else; he had already been destroying himself for decades.

Of course, I'm not shaming people with health issues. I have a hip issue, and sometimes I don't feel like exercising, or training; whereas in the past, I was crazy about it. Yet I still make myself train as best as I can, and it always makes me feel good afterwards. Some changes in emphasis and even quantity of training have been required, but I still do it. And there are some aspects of my training that I've gotten better at.

Martial arts "lifers" are exceedingly rare. Most young people who train in martial arts, including those who train in combat sports recreationally, are eventually going to quit cold turkey, and will probably stop exercising altogether. As they reach their teens and young adulthood, they will have other interests and obligations. Or they might become discouraged if they can't train the exact same way they could in their teens and 20s. And most people consider themselves "old" by their mid-30s or early 40s. I'm 62, and while I know I'm considered in the older crowd, I neither feel nor see myself as an "old man." Attitude has a lot to do with quality of life as you age.

Jim

I was an athlete or martial artist for at least 50% of my life. I've been involved in many activities from playing traveling team ice hockey(5 days a week for 8 years), martial arts, to racing catamaran sailboats, bicycles and motorcycles.

I find martial arts easy to use when needed, but it is sure a lot easier to use/deploy if you are currently training. Your response time will be immediate.

I only hang out with martial art lifers. Even if I start an art, any art, I hang out with the higher ranking belts and instructors if they will have me. There has only been pushback once or twice. It wasn't due to anything that I had done. Every community is different.

I've been to founding instructors homes, slept over on instructors couches, had drinks with instructors and GMs, took showers in their homes while rushing out to events, been hired to guard doors and different events for them, and had instructors over for dinner at my home! I've had a lot of one on one time with very advanced instructors at their homes and apartments. I get along fine with most martial arts folks.

[Ow!Icutmyself!]

Your most important health decisions are made in the grocery store.

[Ow!Icutmyself!]

Oh, yes, I forgot to say - There is no such thing as a bad food, there is such a thing as a bad diet.

[Naperville]

I cut back just a bit on what I eat every day. I try to go hungry now frequently. I try to NOT think about food and when I finally think about it, I just say to myself, "In a minute," and I put off grabbing anything fast.

That and my warehouse job are beginning to reveal abdominal muscles that I have not seen in quite a while, say 30+ years. I had way too much bulk, some muscle some fat, but I am glad to be rid of it. If you are not lean, your heart and other organs have to keep everything running and it is an unnecessary stress.

When I was in college every morning I'd get down and do 250+ sit-ups and 250+ push-ups. Once you create that abdominal wall it is hard to get rid of.

As the following article says, "The only way to burn fat from your belly is to reduce overall body fat by creating a calorie deficit. The healthiest way to do that is with consistent exercise—cardio, weight training, and flexibility—and a healthy, low-calorie diet."

https://www.verywellfit.com/facts-about ... ts-1229499