China

[sal]

The tariffs are still fluctuating, so it's hard to nail down costs. I believe they will make a difference, in some cases, to raise the price of Some imports like China, assuming there are good rules and everyone follows the rules, which I question? I understand the goal and I've heard speculations from no tariffs to huge tariffs, so no one really knows. And with the current political division, truth becomes quite elusive.

sal

[Synov]

This whole idea that Tariffs will strengthen USA manufacturing is complete garbage.

So then why do other countries tariff us so much? Are they really just sabotaging themselves? Are all other countries just incompetent and misguided? Or maybe there's a reason for it...

1. Most countries don't tariff us as much as you've been told by certain truth-challenged individuals. The average tariff on US exports was less than 2% before the tariff war.

2. The highest tariffs are from poor and tiny countries that have no other option to raise tax revenue and have little economic significance to the US.

[BornIn1500]

The average tariff on US exports was less than 2% before the tariff war.

The median tariff rate worldwide is currently 2.6%. The US tariff rate is 1.5%, which remains one of the lowest in the world. If you remember, in 2018, all non-sanctioned countries were offered a zero tariff deal where if they’d drop their tariffs against the US, than we wouldn’t impose tariffs against those countries or would drop those already imposed. Those countries didn't accept the deal. So it's fairly obvious who is/was trying to take advantage of who here.

[RyanY]

The tariffs are still fluctuating, so it's hard to nail down costs. I believe they will make a difference, in some cases, to raise the price of Some imports like China, assuming there are good rules and everyone follows the rules, which I question? I understand the goal and I've heard speculations from no tariffs to huge tariffs, so no one really knows. And with the current political division, truth becomes quite elusive.

sal

Elusive indeed.

[ekastanis]

The median tariff rate worldwide is currently 2.6%. The US tariff rate is 1.5%, which remains one of the lowest in the world.

The U.S Average Effective Tariff Rate is currently almost 18%.
https://budgetlab.yale.edu/research/sta ... er-30-2025

[Danke]

Lets not get all bogged down with facts

[Synov]

The median tariff rate worldwide is currently 2.6%. The US tariff rate is 1.5%, which remains one of the lowest in the world.

The U.S Average Effective Tariff Rate is currently almost 18%.
https://budgetlab.yale.edu/research/sta ... er-30-2025

That's the effective rate on imports into the US, we're talking about the average rate on US exports.

[RdKill]

Maybe a blade steel that doesn't scratch getting out of the packaging? ****MOV is tired. A LOT of good quality budget EDC knives come out of China with decent enough steel. Nitro-V would be an upgrade that shouldn't break the bank. Hit us up with a semi-premium Chines knife with a frame or compression lock and maybe SPY-27 or something? I'd buy one.

[RdKill]

It might be worth waiting three years. Hopefully, these tariffs go the way of ...the other dodo.

[sal]

Hi RdKill,

Welcome to our forum.

sal

[Synov]

The average tariff on US exports was less than 2% before the tariff war.

The median tariff rate worldwide is currently 2.6%. The US tariff rate is 1.5%, which remains one of the lowest in the world. If you remember, in 2018, all non-sanctioned countries were offered a zero tariff deal where if they’d drop their tariffs against the US, than we wouldn’t impose tariffs against those countries or would drop those already imposed. Those countries didn't accept the deal. So it's fairly obvious who is/was trying to take advantage of who here.

You seem to be referring to the tariff rate on US imports, but your number is not current. I'm talking about the rate on US exports imposed by other countries, which is miniscule compared to what we now impose on them. Even worse, there is an inverse correlation between how much a country tariffs us vs how much we currently tariff that country.

https://www.cato.org/blog/please-stop-c ... al-tariffs

[Naperville]

The average tariff on US exports was less than 2% before the tariff war.

The median tariff rate worldwide is currently 2.6%. The US tariff rate is 1.5%, which remains one of the lowest in the world. If you remember, in 2018, all non-sanctioned countries were offered a zero tariff deal where if they’d drop their tariffs against the US, than we wouldn’t impose tariffs against those countries or would drop those already imposed. Those countries didn't accept the deal. So it's fairly obvious who is/was trying to take advantage of who here.

You seem to be referring to the tariff rate on US imports, but your number is not current. I'm talking about the rate on US exports imposed by other countries, which is miniscule compared to what we now impose on them. Even worse, there is an inverse correlation between how much a country tariffs us vs how much we currently tariff that country.

https://www.cato.org/blog/please-stop-c ... al-tariffs

Are you located in China? China is waging an economic war against The West. Unless YOU want to be enslaved by the CCP, I'd change your tune.

I just read that China has given $230 billion in government subsidies since 2009 to Chinese EV manufacturers.

China is in the WTO and the rest of the WTO is competing against a country's assets, not small little EV manufacturers.

[Danke]

It might be worth waiting three years. Hopefully, these tariffs go the way of ...the other dodo.

You mean they'll vanish except for special editions thanks to Blade HQ and St. Nicks?

[Synov]

The average tariff on US exports was less than 2% before the tariff war.

The median tariff rate worldwide is currently 2.6%. The US tariff rate is 1.5%, which remains one of the lowest in the world. If you remember, in 2018, all non-sanctioned countries were offered a zero tariff deal where if they’d drop their tariffs against the US, than we wouldn’t impose tariffs against those countries or would drop those already imposed. Those countries didn't accept the deal. So it's fairly obvious who is/was trying to take advantage of who here.

You seem to be referring to the tariff rate on US imports, but your number is not current. I'm talking about the rate on US exports imposed by other countries, which is miniscule compared to what we now impose on them. Even worse, there is an inverse correlation between how much a country tariffs us vs how much we currently tariff that country.

https://www.cato.org/blog/please-stop-c ... al-tariffs

Are you located in China? China is waging an economic war against The West. Unless YOU want to be enslaved by the CCP, I'd change your tune.

I just read that China has given $230 billion in government subsidies since 2009 to Chinese EV manufacturers.

China is in the WTO and the rest of the WTO is competing against a country's assets, not small little EV manufacturers.

I'm sorry that facts upset you so much that you have to imply that the person stating them is Chinese in order to ignore them. I didn't even say anything about China specifically, I'm talking about the entire world. And no, I won't change my tune (the facts) to suit your political preferences.

[Naperville]

The median tariff rate worldwide is currently 2.6%. The US tariff rate is 1.5%, which remains one of the lowest in the world. If you remember, in 2018, all non-sanctioned countries were offered a zero tariff deal where if they’d drop their tariffs against the US, than we wouldn’t impose tariffs against those countries or would drop those already imposed. Those countries didn't accept the deal. So it's fairly obvious who is/was trying to take advantage of who here.

You seem to be referring to the tariff rate on US imports, but your number is not current. I'm talking about the rate on US exports imposed by other countries, which is miniscule compared to what we now impose on them. Even worse, there is an inverse correlation between how much a country tariffs us vs how much we currently tariff that country.

https://www.cato.org/blog/please-stop-c ... al-tariffs

Are you located in China? China is waging an economic war against The West. Unless YOU want to be enslaved by the CCP, I'd change your tune.

I just read that China has given $230 billion in government subsidies since 2009 to Chinese EV manufacturers.

China is in the WTO and the rest of the WTO is competing against a country's assets, not small little EV manufacturers.

I'm sorry that facts upset you so much that you have to imply that the person stating them is Chinese in order to ignore them. I didn't even say anything about China specifically, I'm talking about the entire world. And no, I won't change my tune (the facts) to suit your political preferences.

How about these facts.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/china-mov ... s-tensions

[Mushroom]

Bye bye thread!

[RyanY]

Bye bye thread!

lol, yes, let's please drop the politics. There are plenty of other places to debate these things.

[Red Leader]

Back to knives…again!

I know that their was talk about ‘Spyderco no longer being a leader’ and I don’t think that statement is true. But I will make the argument that at least their the Chinese knife market, it is a tough one to be a leader and not be completely absorbed in only that market. The release cycle alone would completely absorb all manufacturing and R&D energy.

When I think of ‘market leaders’ from that industry sector, I think of brands like Civivi, Kunwu amd Vosteed.

But I don’t think Spyderco needs to be the market leader here. While I do think they need to up the game a bit with materials and options (like better steels and the compression lock), having just a few extremely high quality, competitive offerings will ensure that they stay relevant to people looking for a great budget option without feeling the need to be king of the hill in the Chinese knife rat race.


That is, until they find a way to permanently manufacture their value knives in places other than China (like the Chicago model) because I still believe that having even some of their knives made there is a short term gain, long term loss.

[TkoK83Spy]

Bye bye thread!

Are we the least bit surprised?? Of course we're not!

[Naperville]

GM just ordered all parts suppliers in their global inventory to drop any business dealings with China. They want a clean supply chain.

https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/intern ... ains-china