Manix 2 Cruwear w/diamond cut gray G-10

[ManixFan]

KW was the only store with a reasonable price on this sprint......the way it was released in dribs and drabs......and is still being released just made it possible for the early sellers to jack the prices in response to the initial scarcity. If the full run of this knife had been released at once, no one would be selling it for over $145 at the absolute maximum. I really like the knife but am not will to pay more than $140 US and if I can't get it for that then I will pass or wait until a user turns up on the secondary market.

[GoldenSpydie]

KW was the only store with a reasonable price on this sprint......the way it was released in dribs and drabs......and is still being released just made it possible for the early sellers to jack the prices in response to the initial scarcity. If the full run of this knife had been released at once, no one would be selling it for over $145 at the absolute maximum. I really like the knife but am not will to pay more than $140 US and if I can't get it for that then I will pass or wait until a user turns up on the secondary market.

Really? I got my user for $160 from OsoGrande, and I felt like it was a great deal. And BTW, KW wasn't the only store with gray Manixes for under $150.

[Johnnie1801]

Cheapest price I have seen is from NewGraham at $137.98. Most expensive I have seen is around $255 without shipping here in Europe. I ordered mine from Knifecenter and paid a total of $176, after taxes and import duties I'm looking at about $225 in total, I'm saving about $40 on the price here so it's the best deal I can get. There is certainly a big variation on what different companies are charging.

[xceptnl]

I believe NGK, Howe's and KW all had very reasonable prices.

[jtoler_9]

back in stock at BHQ

[ManixFan]

Really? I got my user for $160 from OsoGrande, and I felt like it was a great deal. And BTW, KW wasn't the only store with gray Manixes for under $150.

Really? You think paying more than $30 greater than the price Knifeworks was selling them for was a great deal?! :confused: If you can't give your head a quick shake then I will give my own head a shake on your behalf. As Johnnie1801 firstly, and then Xceptnl pointed out..... NGK, Howe's and KW's were the only vendors that didn't try to gouge the Spyderco collector's (after all - the only people buying Sprints are collectors and also those who are familiar with a specific Spyderco model and want a certain flavour of "user" knife) who are their customer base. This situation only occurred because of how the release proceeded with small shipments to select vendors and then repeated shipments to those same vendors as well as an ever increasing circle of vendors. If the knives had been all shipped at once I would say that these knives would have gone for $145 max.......at least $15 less than your "great deal".

But then all sorts of people have different opinions as to what constitutes an attractive deal.......but I think most would agree that the most respectable vendors selling between $128 (at the lowest) to $138 (NGK & Howes) should be setting the benchmark for fair pricing. I am sure that KW weren't selling the knives at a loss at $128.....so why does an additional profit of $30 to OsoGrande constitute a great deal for the consumer? Just because there are vendors and eBay sellers that are milking/gouging consumers due to the slow release and high demand for even more money?

That doesn't sound logical to me ......if it does to you then all the more power to you...... if you enjoy paying more than what was necessary. I mean, in some fetish circles, some guys enjoy being stomped on and kicked in the nuts by attractive women.....metaphorically speaking I prefer not to get kicked in the 'nads by stores willing to gouge their customers.

If you enjoy it then ......"go nuts", be happy with your purchase. It is a great knife that you now own..... even if you got ripped off with the purchase price. If you don't feel ripped off, then it is a non-issue for you. However, you cannot invalidate my own feelings and most likely the feelings of quite a lot of others who might feel that the slow release and high demand of this sprint has resulted in an artificially created supply-demand bottleneck that has contributed to price gouging.

You are of course welcome to disagree with me. :D

[GoldenSpydie]

I would have paid MSRP. That's how much I like this knife--any deal is a great deal on this one. $60 off of MSRP is an even better deal, so I grabbed one as a user. Low and behold, I then got a backup from KW for even less! YAY!

If the all sold for $160, I think that everybody would think that that was a "great deal." But since some went for slightly less, suddenly, the knife is worth less. Interesting.

[Jazz]

Are the liners skeletonized on this one? Is it a lot lighter than the hollow ground regular one?

[jtoler_9]

Are the liners skeletonized on this one? Is it a lot lighter than the hollow ground regular one?

Yes the liners are milled out on the Cruwear model. The FFG regular Manix 2 has solid liners and is heavier.

[ManixFan]

I would have paid MSRP. That's how much I like this knife--any deal is a great deal on this one. $60 off of MSRP is an even better deal, so I grabbed one as a user. Low and behold, I then got a backup from KW for even less! YAY!

If the all sold for $160, I think that everybody would think that that was a "great deal." But since some went for slightly less, suddenly, the knife is worth less. Interesting.

I am happy that you are happy with your purchase. Considering the CPM110V Manix 2 lightweight went for less than $110, I would say that the KW's, NGK and Howes prices were what could be considered reasonable. All I am saying is that an artificial supply-demand bottleneck was created which created an atmosphere conducive to price gouging. Had all the knives been released at once then those selling at $160 would be considered the "high end" and a situation where people are selling on eBay and even online stores at $200 and over would never have existed at all.

So between your 2 purchases you averaged what the average price of this knife should truly have been had the supply-demand bottleneck not existed. You are entitled to be satisfied with your purchase but criticizing a legitimate viewpoint of how an artificial bottleneck has created artificially high pricing just because you "think it's worth it" does not logically present an argument against the viewpoint that was offered and unnecessarily leaves yourself open to criticism or a logical deconstruction of your own viewpoint.

If you are happy with the pricing then stating that you were happy to pay $160 for one of your knives is a valid statement. Delivering a critical response to someone else's viewpoint without addressing the logic of that viewpoint provides for a sloppy and unnecessary argument. I criticized the delivery and release of this particular model and pointed out that it resulted in prices being driven up. If you find a flaw with that statement then you are welcome to point it out. I was not looking to start a debate on the issue.....just to offer my opinion on the sprint release situation that I believe has driven the prices up.......whether or not it is "worth it".

I think the knife is awesome and might be able to snag one in the Canadian equivalent to a KW, NGK or Howes price since I have an excellent and long standing relationship with my local supplier. This is by no means set in stone and had they received the allotment that was being sent to them at the same time that KW had stock then I would say that it would be a sure thing. If I can't get it for the $CA equivalent of $140 US when they finally do receive their shipment....then I will pass.

I hope you are enjoying your knives.........there is no denying that they are very nice variants of the Manix 2 platform.

[Liquid Cobra]

I don't think this sprint was released slowly or any differently than any other spring I can recall. Different dealers get them at various times. That's just the way it seems to go.

I would also argue that plenty of non collectors buy sprints. There's no way to know for sure.

I think it is also important to take into account when someone states they feel like they got a good deal but paid more than someone else they could be trying to say they feel lucky or grateful that they snagged one at all. Sprint runs are limited in number and paying 20 or 30 more than the next guy may not seem like a big deal when compared to not snagging one at all.

[Liquid Cobra]

35 units expected at W&W's next week. Price is $160.

[ManixFan]

I don't think this sprint was released slowly or any differently than any other spring I can recall. Different dealers get them at various times. That's just the way it seems to go.

I would also argue that plenty of non collectors buy sprints. There's no way to know for sure.

I think it is also important to take into account when someone states they feel like they got a good deal but paid more than someone else they could be trying to say they feel lucky or grateful that they snagged one at all. Sprint runs are limited in number and paying 20 or 30 more than the next guy may not seem like a big deal when compared to not snagging one at all.

When you put it in those terms then I would have to agree....and have agreed - if you read my posts.

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"If you are happy with the pricing then stating that you were happy to pay $160 for one of your knives is a valid statement."

But as to how the sprint was released, I would have to respectfully disagree since shortly after it was released I was looking all over for it and I also noticed that some stores had been restocked more than twice while others didn't even receive their first shipment until after those stores had been restocked. The three stores that I mentioned as being reasonable in price sold out quickly of course and the other stores at higher prices sat on their stock longer until all of the cheaper priced stores were sold out.

My local supplier has been assured that they will receive stock but they still haven't got it whereas other stores have been restocked a couple times. If it isn't a dealer exclusive I am not sure why Spyderco would set up a situation that could (and I would submit - DID) result in higher prices for their customers. Why not wait until the full run is produced and then release a Sprint simultaneously to all their customers? This approach would ensure that no artificial bottlenecks were created as I believe has happened in this case. You are welcome to think differently.

[ManixFan]

35 units expected at W&W's next week. Price is $160.

Not my local vendor but I have heard good things about that place.....they also have the Gayle Bradley fixed blade available for $175 CA on pre-order.....the same price that some US online stores are selling for on pre-order.

$160 CA works out to about $142 US after exchange or perhaps even $140 US if the Canadian dollar is at a lower rate (haven't looked lately and am assuming approx 12 - 13% Visa exchange rate). I believe this is a reasonable price - especially for Canadian buyers who don't get dinged with the $10 customs handling fee on top of the higher US shipping rates to Canada.

On the other hand $160 US would translate to about $180 CA. Good for W&W for not taking advantage of their customers! :)

[ManixFan]

35 units expected at W&W's next week. Price is $160.

I see by your sig line that you are a Yojimbo 2 fan. I also have one ordered.........and despite many people's criticism of the price (and of course I would have also preferred an ~$200 price tag) that is one that I would say is "worth the price". But if someone else wants to criticize the price point then I am not going to jump in and start defending KW's price tag .....which is also a different situation though I suppose since it is a dealer exclusive. BTW with pricing set by the same vendor that had the cheapest Cruwear Manix 2 pricing.

I won't mention anymore about that knife in this thread..... but it was unfortunate that I didn't see the Cruwear Manix 2 in time on their site because KW could have shipped it out at the same time as the Yojimbo and my blue/black 3D scaled M390 BM 710 (KW exclusive).

[adancingmonkey]

I just preordered from W&W myself. Glad they got it!

[GoldenSpydie]

But as to how the sprint was released, I would have to respectfully disagree since shortly after it was released I was looking all over for it and I also noticed that some stores had been restocked more than twice while others didn't even receive their first shipment until after those stores had been restocked. The three stores that I mentioned as being reasonable in price sold out quickly of course and the other stores at higher prices sat on their stock longer until all of the cheaper priced stores were sold out.

My local supplier has been assured that they will receive stock but they still haven't got it whereas other stores have been restocked a couple times. If it isn't a dealer exclusive I am not sure why Spyderco would set up a situation that could (and I would submit - DID) result in higher prices for their customers. Why not wait until the full run is produced and then release a Sprint simultaneously to all their customers? This approach would ensure that no artificial bottlenecks were created as I believe has happened in this case. You are welcome to think differently.

Probably because some dealers put in their order before others? That seems like it would make sense.

Would you rather have waited until late August/whenever when the entire batch is done to get one? I'm glad that I could get one as soon as they had a few ready.

[Liquid Cobra]

Warriors and wonders always gets their sprints a couple weeks after stores in the US. The same is true for regular production models. More proof to me that this release is no different than past releases. I've never seen spyderco simultaneously release a knife to every single dealer all at the same time. At least not in the two years I've been a customer.

Case in point (extreme example), Howes was just notified that 6 PM2's in S35VN steel will be arriving on Monday. That knife was released in 2011. Sometimes things take longer than Spyderco would like. It should also be noted that certain stores always seem to get their shipments first. Howes being a good example.

I did read your previous posts,

[ManixFan]

Probably because some dealers put in their order before others? That seems like it would make sense.

Would you rather have waited until late August/whenever when the entire batch is done to get one? I'm glad that I could get one as soon as they had a few ready.

Hmmm, we were posting simultaneously on different threads.....isn't that "special". :D
I just saw your pics on the Cruwear thread......very nice! :)

Congrats on your gorgeous knives! I hope i can snag one for a price I am comfortable paying........too many great knives being released in such a short time frame from Spyderco. I guess that is hard to complain about though.......except for the hit to the wallet.

[GoldenSpydie]

35 units expected at W&W's next week. Price is $160.

A great company, too. I've got one of their blue BM Barrages. They had no problems shipping to the US, so this should be a good chance for anyone in the US or Canada to score one.