Are the CruCarta Natives still happening?

[raygixxer89]

Hi @raygixxer89 . Spyderco's current production Natives are linerless. In this case, I think adding liners will require additional tooling, delay production, and drive the price up.

The linerless knives I have are the Spyderco Native Chief and Native 5, and Cold Steel American Lawman. Those knives are plenty strong. They don't have any liners to rust or collect pocket crud. They are much, much easier to disassemble than any member of the Endura or Stretch families. So while there are many great knives with liners, I've come to appreciate those without.

I really, really want to buy the new Native Chief but was kinda driven off since it has no liners. I just don;t like the feel of liner-less knives. Especially in FRN. The second that Spyderco comes out with a linered Native Chief I'm jumping on it!

[raygixxer89]

If they can't get the linerless micarta to work, sell the knives to DLT as their purple G10 exclusive and to Knife Center as their smooth G10 exclusive. We already know linerless G10 is strong enough.

I have never understood to love for linerless knives. Why? Just to shave a few grams? I want my knife to be as durable as possible.

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besides, what can a linered folding knife do that a linerless one can't?

I can understand preferring the more rigid feeling handle or if you enjoy the weight, but when it comes down to it there's nothing a lined Native can do a linerless cannot.

Great write-up, Vivi! While linered knives may be a bit more of a hassle to maintain, I'll take it for the durability and stoutness feeling.

[raygixxer89]

If they can't get the linerless micarta to work, sell the knives to DLT as their purple G10 exclusive and to Knife Center as their smooth G10 exclusive. We already know linerless G10 is strong enough.

I have never understood to love for linerless knives. Why? Just to shave a few grams? I want my knife to be as durable as possible.

viewtopic.php?p=1360049

besides, what can a linered folding knife do that a linerless one can't?

I can understand preferring the more rigid feeling handle or if you enjoy the weight, but when it comes down to it there's nothing a lined Native can do a linerless cannot.

While I agree with the principle, the linerless Natives have no PB washers, and I think it seriously harms their action. I haven't bought a linerless Native Chief because AWT doesn't have replacement scale + PB washer kits for them like they do the Native 5.

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that the action doesn't quite feel right with linerless knives. I've grown to appreicate the smootheness of Spydercos with liners.

[vivi]

If they can't get the linerless micarta to work, sell the knives to DLT as their purple G10 exclusive and to Knife Center as their smooth G10 exclusive. We already know linerless G10 is strong enough.

I have never understood to love for linerless knives. Why? Just to shave a few grams? I want my knife to be as durable as possible.

viewtopic.php?p=1360049

besides, what can a linered folding knife do that a linerless one can't?

I can understand preferring the more rigid feeling handle or if you enjoy the weight, but when it comes down to it there's nothing a lined Native can do a linerless cannot.

Great write-up, Vivi! While linered knives may be a bit more of a hassle to maintain, I'll take it for the durability and stoutness feeling.

I like liners in most cases too, but only if they're coated. Taking knives apart to sand rust off the liners is a pain. My Police 3 is due for another round. Probably the 10th time I've had to do it since I bought it.

I used to be all about the lightest folder possible, but over the past two years I've realized 4.5-5.5oz is my sweet spot. Still light in the pocket,but with a better feel in hand.

[Wallach]

I have never understood to love for linerless knives. Why? Just to shave a few grams? I want my knife to be as durable as possible.

viewtopic.php?p=1360049

besides, what can a linered folding knife do that a linerless one can't?

I can understand preferring the more rigid feeling handle or if you enjoy the weight, but when it comes down to it there's nothing a lined Native can do a linerless cannot.

Great write-up, Vivi! While linered knives may be a bit more of a hassle to maintain, I'll take it for the durability and stoutness feeling.

I like liners in most cases too, but only if they're coated. Taking knives apart to sand rust off the liners is a pain. My Police 3 is due for another round. Probably the 10th time I've had to do it since I bought it.

I used to be all about the lightest folder possible, but over the past two years I've realized 4.5-5.5oz is my sweet spot. Still light in the pocket,but with a better feel in hand.

I find myself drifting in that direction too. I still want my work EDC to be pretty light (3oz or less usually), but for my days off and such I like carrying a 4-5oz knife.

[LorenzoL]

tbh, I was pretty surprised they were going to do these as unlined micarta in the first place.
Hasn't Sal previously said something like
"We learned a lot from making those unlined Micarta knives. Mostly we learned not to"
???

Agree 100%. I love the look of nested liners, though.