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I wonder how big of a batch per color makes financial sense. I know white would be great for anyone wanting to dye theirs, but I imagine the vast majority of buyers don't even consider that option.

hobbyist wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 28, 2024 4:52 pm

Endela salt. Magnacut? both SE and PE.

would bright white scales work so that folks can dye them whatever neon whatever they wanted?

This plus a full sized Endura Salt with NASA White scales. Spyderco Space Force Salt.

We're going to need it once we get Pulsed Plasma Drive and Neutrinic Warp Ships.

cabfrank wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 28, 2024 5:35 pm

I wonder how big of a batch per color makes financial sense. I know white would be great for anyone wanting to dye theirs, but I imagine the vast majority of buyers don't even consider that option.

The fluorescent greens and oranges are great for visibility, but they might be polarizing. The Salt yellow does a fine job of being visible. I agree that the knife buyers prepared to dye their scales are likely few in number.

A Stretch 2 in Magnacut and high vis G10 would be perfect!

KeepCalm&Carrion wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 28, 2024 6:57 am

Maybe that would work best as a sprint run? An orange G10 Siren in PE Magnacut released ahead of Fall hunting season sounds nice, but that's just me wishing again.

Im a buyer for a Siren Hunter.

Personally not that interested in H1, H2, LC200N for hunting knives. Not enough wear resistance. Magnacut I might be, though I have no experience with it.

If you're looking for existing Spydercos with good wear and corrosion resistance for hunting, I have had good results with Spyderco's M390/20CV/204P in both Golden and Seki models. More stainless than S90V, easier to bring back to a very fine edge in the field. No corrosion issues even in changing weather and being folded up wet/bloody for a while before cleaning.

S110V in the Golden models also seems like it checks the wear and corrosion resistance boxes.

RazorSharp86 wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 28, 2024 7:10 pm

A Stretch 2 in Magnacut and high vis G10 would be perfect!

A serrated version would be an instant buy for me, though I am partial for lightweight FRN over G10 or full liners.

Fastidiotus wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 28, 2024 7:14 pm

KeepCalm&Carrion wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 28, 2024 6:57 am

Maybe that would work best as a sprint run? An orange G10 Siren in PE Magnacut released ahead of Fall hunting season sounds nice, but that's just me wishing again.

Im a buyer for a Siren Hunter.

Ditto!

Mushroom wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 28, 2024 9:04 am

zhyla wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 27, 2024 11:06 pm

Don’t regular stainless steel handle that need pretty well?

Absolutely and in some situations they're probably the better choice overall due to better edge retention than the super corrosion resistant steels like H1/H2.

- Probably not so much if one happens to be into SE (viewtopic.php?p=1811459#p1811459) - ?

- Also, I wonder how much edge degradation through corrosion could come into play here (really don´t know):

So let´s say one is out in the woods for a week hunting, hiking, whatever in humid, rainy conditions, perhaps does not always clean the knife super thoroughly, carries it in a damp, wet pocket or pack:
- Even if the blade itself does not show signs of corrosion, what happens at the very edge? How much sharpness could get lost just by "micro-corrosion" there if the steel is not super rust proof like H1/LC/MC are? (Actually a thing I´d really like to know more about. I am perfectly fine with steels like VG10 in humid conditions from all I can see... but if perhaps the edge could slowly degrading just by corrosion and by how much I really don´t know)

James Y wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 28, 2024 4:33 pm

I live an easy walk from the ocean, maybe half a mile, and I never go into the sea anymore. But I still appreciate a knife I can carry and use that only requires the bare minimum of maintenance. That's not me being lazy; when I'm doing activities in places where the knife gets soaking wet, but there is no immediate way to dry it off completely before putting it away. I know that for some, the maintenance is part of the knife experience they enjoy, but I'm not one of them, although I do care for my knives. In the past, I've seen some posts that go like this (and I'm paraphrasing): "You don't need a Salt knife unless you're going into the ocean with it. Otherwise, you're better off with a non-Salt knife." Which isn't a really accurate assessment of everyone's needs and/or preferences.

Jim

I agree , Salt knives have a place outside of the intended use and design . I live in the Midwest and Salt knives are a favorite of mine when weather conditions are rainy or snow . Great for use working in garden when there will be prolonged use and little time for clean up . It’s another design that has crossed over and has become very popular. I think Spyderco did and does a fantastic job creating a line of knives that isn’t pigeon holed into a singular purpose. MG2

Wartstein wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 29, 2024 12:04 am

Mushroom wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 28, 2024 9:04 am

zhyla wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 27, 2024 11:06 pm

Don’t regular stainless steel handle that need pretty well?

Absolutely and in some situations they're probably the better choice overall due to better edge retention than the super corrosion resistant steels like H1/H2.

Yeah you missed my point. I specified.

Spyderco Salt knives are popular in Alaska and they are diving. Also, Lone Wolf used to make their hunting knives out of N680. This steel has good corrosion resistance, not as good as the steels Spyderco uses, but very good non the less. I have one and have used it all day wading in the ocean, cutting bait, fish, etc., exposed to salt water, salt air, and blood. I never had an issue. What I am saying is that there is a place in the sporting world for knives made of Magnacut or something with good edge retention that offer superior corrosion resistance that are marketed for hunters and outdoors persons, and not specifically salt water. The colors of orange, maybe camouflage, and others would be a great seller. Of course, marketing would have to get behind this, too. The idea "If you build it they will come" is just Hollywood fiction, but in real life people need to be told.

RazorSharp86 wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 28, 2024 10:20 pm

Fastidiotus wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 28, 2024 7:14 pm

KeepCalm&Carrion wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 28, 2024 6:57 am

Maybe that would work best as a sprint run? An orange G10 Siren in PE Magnacut released ahead of Fall hunting season sounds nice, but that's just me wishing again.

Im a buyer for a Siren Hunter.

Ditto!

Isn't that well understood though? We know corrosion can happen outside of a saltwater environment. Human sweat can cause corrosion. I've had numerous steels show surface rust because they were in my pocket on a hot day. I've even let them sit for months after that before cleaning the rust off. Good as new.

Honestly, the need for corrosion resistance gets so overstated on this forum.

We can make up a million and one different scenarios to justify the need for super corrosion resistance and there's nothing wrong with preferring it. But the reality is, the "need" is much more prevalent in a saltwater environment and it makes total sense to spend their marketing dollars in that category.

Mushroom wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 29, 2024 8:18 am

Isn't that well understood though? We know corrosion can happen outside of a saltwater environment. Human sweat can cause corrosion. I've had numerous steels show surface rust because they were in my pocket on a hot day. I've even let them sit for months after that before cleaning the rust off. Good as new.

Honestly, the need for corrosion resistance gets so overstated on this forum.

We can make up a million and one different scenarios to justify the need for super corrosion resistance and there's nothing wrong with preferring it. But the reality is, the "need" is much more prevalent in a saltwater environment and it makes total sense to spend their marketing dollars in that category.

^^^

I've noticed a sharp corner where the grind of the PM2 blade meets the tang and dirt can collect in this area. Even if I do a quick clean of my blade I may not get everything out of that recessed area. With steels like M4 if stuff is left back in that corner it can lead to corrosion and that is a bad place to have corrosion. When the blade is bent that corner and transition in blade thickness is already a stress concentration and having little corrosion pits there makes it even worse. Keep this in mind when cleaning a blade and clean that out too.

Mushroom wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 29, 2024 7:34 am

Mushroom wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 28, 2024 9:04 am

zhyla wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 27, 2024 11:06 pm

Absolutely and in some situations they're probably the better choice overall due to better edge retention than the super corrosion resistant steels like H1/H2.

Yeah you missed my point. I specified.

I don´t think so.
Your point was that stainless steels "in some situations are probably the better choice overall due to the better edge retention than the super corrosion resistant steels like H1/H2"
I just pointed out that while concerning plain edge H1/H2 this is certainly true, it might not be the case if one happened to be into SE - inspired by that recent thread that serrated H1/H2 might have better edge retention than pretty much everything else, at least that´s what a certain Sal and a certain Eric Glesser say...

Anyway, the question concerning how much slow edge degradation through corrosion could come into play when it comes to not totally rustproof stainless steels was unrelated and actually still and really interests me, should anyone have any data concerning that - ?

Doc Dan wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 29, 2024 7:45 am

Spyderco Salt knives are popular in Alaska and they are diving. Also, Lone Wolf used to make their hunting knives out of N680. This steel has good corrosion resistance, not as good as the steels Spyderco uses, but very good non the less. I have one and have used it all day wading in the ocean, cutting bait, fish, etc., exposed to salt water, salt air, and blood. I never had an issue. What I am saying is that there is a place in the sporting world for knives made of Magnacut or something with good edge retention that offer superior corrosion resistance that are marketed for hunters and outdoors persons, and not specifically salt water. The colors of orange, maybe camouflage, and others would be a great seller. Of course, marketing would have to get behind this, too. The idea "If you build it they will come" is just Hollywood fiction, but in real life people need to be told.

What I tried to say in my first post here and in that thread I started once (viewtopic.php?p=1509274#p1509274)

- Salt knives, and especially Seki Salts not only bring the super high corrosion resistance on the table, but aside from that also other great and partly unique qualities: When it comes to the Seki Salts actually lighter, but still strong versions of already popular models (Endura, Delica) and that even with a bit thicker and more handfilling handles (and a longer blade when it come to the Salt 2) - things hikers, hunters, mountaineers definitely could appreciate

- Those folks (hikers, hunters, mountaineers) absolutely might miss how good the Salt Spydies actually are for their needs, cause they are marketed and presented so much as specialized salt water tools.
If one does not know much about Spyderco and is looking for a new hunting folder, then casually browses through the catalogues of various makers, this person might very well skip the whole "Salt section" feeling like "well, that´s the part for the ocean folks".

A Salt knife or version of a Salt knife specifically and "aggressively" presented as outdoor / hunter / mountain knife, also by giving it a distinct, different handle color could really help make more customers aware of also the other great attributes like mainly the light weight, but still strong built.

To put it differently: I don´t think that one of the appearantly rather influential youtube "reviewers" ever consider the Salt 2 as the best BM Bugout alternative out there (actually it is the "better bugout" in my view, see also here viewtopic.php?p=1496689#p1496689)

Wartstein wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 30, 2024 12:22 am

Mushroom wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 29, 2024 7:34 am

Mushroom wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 28, 2024 9:04 am

zhyla wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 27, 2024 11:06 pm

Absolutely and in some situations they're probably the better choice overall due to better edge retention than the super corrosion resistant steels like H1/H2.

Yeah you missed my point. I specified.

I think so.

Yes, thank you.

Mushroom wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 30, 2024 8:09 am

Wartstein wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 30, 2024 12:22 am

Mushroom wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 29, 2024 7:34 am

Yeah you missed my point. I specified.

I think so.

Yes, thank you.

Nick, quoting someone but deliberately altering their posts so that they then mean the complete opposite of what they actually said goes a bit too far, is not funny but looks more like a desperate and immature approach and can lead to misunderstandings for people browsing through the thread.
This I would say concerning any forum member, not just me particularly.

My input that of course you are right in saying that higher wear resistance steels might be the better choice over H1/H2, but that this might not be true for H1/H2 in SE is completely valid and constructive and obviously in no way personal or an attack or whatever and you know that very well. No idea why you react the way you did.

So I may ask: Please act and discuss as a grown up and at least quote me correctly - deliberately altering quoted posts to the complete opposite meaning is just generally and basically not a path we should even walk on one single step imo.
Or, in the future, just don´t reply at all, no problem with that.
Thank you, end of discussion. Have a good one!