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Re: MULE TEAM™ Future Predictions
Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:47 am
by standy99
Self Taught wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2023 1:59 pm
At this point haven’t they covered most steel categories? I’d like to see a beefier mule to test toughness with more confidence. Maybe high saber grind. Thicker stock. Both
Mule is a standard. Don’t think you will see a thicker stock or Sabre grind. You’re getting one the same as they always are.
Re: MULE TEAM™ Future Predictions
Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 3:36 am
by tcarltonw
Three V, for me?
Re: MULE TEAM™ Future Predictions
Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 4:46 am
by standy99
tcarltonw wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 3:36 am
Three V, for me?
Would be great as I just got a old 4V in a swap for a spare S45VN I had…
Re: MULE TEAM™ Future Predictions
Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 10:28 am
by Giygas
tcarltonw wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 3:36 am
Three V, for me?
I'd really like to see OU-31.
It's a Japanese steel that's basically 3V with 3% Cobalt added.
Edit:
I found a comment (from BF) made by Sal in 2007:
"We tested some about 10 years ago. As I remember, the special ingredient they were using was the addtion of copper. Our tests were OK. We were also testing and using ATS-55 (Custom made by Hitachi for Spyderco) and VG-10 at the time. Our main Seki maker said that he thought that the OU-31 material was more brittle than he liked for a production steel. Maybe we can play with some if the "Mule Team" project works out.
sal"
Re: MULE TEAM™ Future Predictions
Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2023 7:21 pm
by FullScaler
That would be an interesting version. I know the concept of a mule is to have the only variable as the steel type. But it would be very interesting to test varying blade shapes and style qualities in one or two of the most popular steels.
Imagine if you will, a MagnaCut version with different grinds. Different blade thicknesses. Different edge profiles and BTE thicknesses. Different blade shapes, (wharnie, leaf, clip, etc.) and of course, spydie edge vs regular.
I know this is way beyond the purpose of the Mule Team program but it would provide for some very interesting testing with a consistent known steel. And a guy can dream right?
Re: MULE TEAM™ Future Predictions
Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2023 12:36 pm
by WirelessBrain
S125V would be amazing!
It is still available from Crucible.
Alpha knife has it listed but not stocked.
Crucible says to contact them, so I did.
They said thet can only make it in larger quantities, which they would not define.
I said "how about enough for 750 7"- 8" blades?
They said, "yes, yes, something like that".
Re: MULE TEAM™ Future Predictions
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 6:25 am
by thuyenbuom
FullScaler wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 7:21 pm
That would be an interesting version. I know the concept of a mule is to have the only variable as the steel type. But it would be very interesting to test varying blade shapes and style qualities in one or two of the most popular steels.
Imagine if you will, a MagnaCut version with different grinds. Different blade thicknesses. Different edge profiles and BTE thicknesses. Different blade shapes, (wharnie, leaf, clip, etc.) and of course, spydie edge vs regular.
I know this is way beyond the purpose of the Mule Team program but it would provide for some very interesting testing with a consistent known steel. And a guy can dream right?
Interesting thoughts! I wondered about these things too:>)
Re: MULE TEAM™ Future Predictions
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:35 pm
by Skidoosh
I would still love to see an 80CRv2 steel. It would be a good baseline for testing with steels like 52100
Re: MULE TEAM™ Future Predictions
Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2023 9:05 pm
by Bolster
What about PM-V11? It's a chisel and plane blade steel...
https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/discove ... -v11-story
Re: MULE TEAM™ Future Predictions
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:27 pm
by vanka
Not really sure, but I think PM-V11 may be proprietary steel. As far as I can see it is only found in Lee Valley tools. Mostly Veritas plane irons and chisels. Quick Google search didn't find the steel composition or who is producing it. I could be wrong though.
Re: MULE TEAM™ Future Predictions
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 3:48 pm
by DansGearAddiction
I'd like to see them revisit a steel that hasn't been used in awhile that hasn't been Muled like V-Toku2 or Super Blue.
Vanadis 8, REX121, S390, and S125V would be sweet as well.
Re: MULE TEAM™ Future Predictions
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:59 pm
by Bolster
vanka wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:27 pm
Not really sure, but I think PM-V11 may be proprietary steel. As far as I can see it is only found in Lee Valley tools. Mostly Veritas plane irons and chisels. Quick Google search didn't find the steel composition or who is producing it. I could be wrong though.
I think you're right. I also suspect that Veritas may be over-representing the steel's properties somewhat, in that it's portrayed (in comparison to M4!) as
much higher toughness, equivalent edge retention, and
much easier to sharpen. That's a hard-to-believe combination--a miracle steel if true. But hey, maybe Veritas will collaborate on a mule and we can find out?
PS: I read somewhere that the "V11" refers to
version 11. I had assumed it was 11% vanadium but apparently that's incorrect.
Re: MULE TEAM™ Future Predictions
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:08 am
by sbdude
Bolster wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:59 pm
vanka wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:27 pm
Not really sure, but I think PM-V11 may be proprietary steel. As far as I can see it is only found in Lee Valley tools. Mostly Veritas plane irons and chisels. Quick Google search didn't find the steel composition or who is producing it. I could be wrong though.
I think you're right. I also suspect that Veritas may be over-representing the steel's properties somewhat, in that it's portrayed (in comparison to M4!) as
much higher toughness, equivalent edge retention, and
much easier to sharpen. That's a hard-to-believe combination--a miracle steel if true. But hey, maybe Veritas will collaborate on a mule and we can find out?
PS: I read somewhere that the "V11" refers to
version 11. I had assumed it was 11% vanadium but apparently that's incorrect.
That doesn't look very believable but if so, it would be a great steel. While there is probably some marketing going on there, I'm wondering if that isn't just a name they are putting on another steel that we all know just for the marketing purposes.
Re: MULE TEAM™ Future Predictions
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:28 am
by Bolster
If V11 really is so easy to sharpen, but has bigtime edge retention, would that not imply lots of carbides in a relatively soft matrix?
Re: MULE TEAM™ Future Predictions
Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 8:34 am
by horzuff
With CPM-M4 being bang on the optimal toughnes/edge retention balance line I seriously doubt that this steel could be better in all parameters. Maybe in some really particular, obscure, carpentry scenario where a very specific edge retention matters more than general (as in very little abrasive wear, so edge stability would be more important or some other similar scenario)