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Re: Options for a plain, simple, boring, old timer like me.
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 10:35 am
by AverageKCGuy
JRinFL wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:32 am
Mushroom wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:25 am
JRinFL wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:12 am
You guys are actually recommending S30V and K390 to a guy who stated
"I'm talking from the 90's to 6-8 months ago, never sharpened. Dull, but the teeth always got the job done."?
The best course was mentioned earlier, get a Sharpmaker and sharpen the G-2 Delica. Get another 20 years of use out of it, easily. There is no need for high vanadium steel for a user who has used G-2 for decades without complaint.
He specifically asked for a “newer” and “higher end steel” though. S30V and K390 are perfectly valid suggestions for what he is
asking for.
Compared to G-2, VG-10 is a high end steel. BDN1 might even be compared to G-2. But, yeah it seems you are correct. With a black handle, only VG-10 & S30v come to mind.
I'm currently using a gen3 Delica VG-10 since putting the G-2 away. It's fine, and if I were to sharpen it I'm sure it would continue to be fine. But I was looking for something other than a budget steel. S30V is an option. K390 concerns me a bit with corrosion. It gets hot and humid where I live, moisture builds up when outside in the summer. I've never been concerned with making sure my blades are oiled etc and I don't see that attitude changing.
Re: Options for a plain, simple, boring, old timer like me.
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 10:38 am
by AverageKCGuy
James Y wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 10:01 am
OP:
When you say the PE VG-10 Delica didn't hold up, in what way? Was it the saber grind or full flat grind version? Did the blade break, or become dull? If the edge dulled, then that's easily remedied with the Sharpmaker, which is easy to use regardless of sharpening skill level.
Jim
Got dull, edge seemed to roll over. Full flat grind.
I agree sharpening is possible, but at this point I want to try something new, higher end.
Re: Options for a plain, simple, boring, old timer like me.
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 12:36 pm
by Tristan_david2001
SE para 3 s35vn is a good option if you don’t mind the comp lock
Re: Options for a plain, simple, boring, old timer like me.
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 1:11 pm
by vivi
AverageKCGuy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 10:35 am
JRinFL wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:32 am
Mushroom wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:25 am
JRinFL wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:12 am
You guys are actually recommending S30V and K390 to a guy who stated
"I'm talking from the 90's to 6-8 months ago, never sharpened. Dull, but the teeth always got the job done."?
The best course was mentioned earlier, get a Sharpmaker and sharpen the G-2 Delica. Get another 20 years of use out of it, easily. There is no need for high vanadium steel for a user who has used G-2 for decades without complaint.
He specifically asked for a “newer” and “higher end steel” though. S30V and K390 are perfectly valid suggestions for what he is
asking for.
Compared to G-2, VG-10 is a high end steel. BDN1 might even be compared to G-2. But, yeah it seems you are correct. With a black handle, only VG-10 & S30v come to mind.
I'm currently using a gen3 Delica VG-10 since putting the G-2 away. It's fine, and if I were to sharpen it I'm sure it would continue to be fine. But I was looking for something other than a budget steel. S30V is an option. K390 concerns me a bit with corrosion. It gets hot and humid where I live, moisture builds up when outside in the summer. I've never been concerned with making sure my blades are oiled etc and I don't see that attitude changing.
I can't think of a better knife for you than the Salt 2.
You have two steels to choose from, H1 and LC200N.
Both are completely rust proof and very tough steels that can take on tough jobs.
H1 models are saber ground like you're familiar with, and the LC200N version is a full flat grind so it's not quite as tough but cuts thicker materials with less effort.
Both come in serrated and plain versions.
They're lightweight like your Delica. Most knives Spyderco makes these days are heavier due to steel liners inside the handles. Not sure if that concerns you or not.
If you want something with more extreme edge retention while not being rust prone, S90V would be a dramatic step up from G2 while being very corrosion resistant and tougher than the top end edge holding steels like K390, Maxamet and 15V.
M390 is another I'd look at. Very high edge retention, very good corrosion resistance, and easier to sharpen than a lot of super steels.
They've recently run the Delica 4 in M390 and S90V. Those have a different handle shape and have the steel liners I mentioned, FYI.
If you don't mind scouring ebay and the used market, the original Spyderco Salt 1 is basically a rust proof version of your Delica.
I'll echo the others in advising a sharpmaker. If you keep your new knife touched up once a month you'll get better performance out of it. You can drive a car for a year without touching up your PSI but the performance will be lacking
Re: Options for a plain, simple, boring, old timer like me.
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 1:50 pm
by cabfrank
There are many good suggestions here. I do want to point out that the Stretch 2 XL does indeed come in SE.
Re: Options for a plain, simple, boring, old timer like me.
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 2:47 pm
by Ramonade
Seems like some K390 could be a good option for you.
A K390 Endela or Endura in SE would be good contenders.
Or finding the Native 5 LW SE in stock somewhere
.
Re: Options for a plain, simple, boring, old timer like me.
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 4:22 pm
by SpyderForLyfe
You really should try the PM2. It's the gold standard. And the compression lock is every bit as secure as a lockback. You're really limiting yourself there. And if you like teeth, a Shaman SE. But if you insist, I'd say go for a native. You'd probably be happy with that.
Re: Options for a plain, simple, boring, old timer like me.
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 5:45 pm
by SpyderForLyfe
Oh, and there IS a fully serrated PM2 out there. You just need to wait for it to come back in stock :)
https://www.bladehq.com/item--Spyderco- ... -10--50820
Re: Options for a plain, simple, boring, old timer like me.
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 6:37 pm
by Colorodo
Re: Options for a plain, simple, boring, old timer like me.
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 7:53 pm
by AverageKCGuy
vivi wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 1:11 pm
AverageKCGuy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 10:35 am
JRinFL wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:32 am
Mushroom wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:25 am
He specifically asked for a “newer” and “higher end steel” though. S30V and K390 are perfectly valid suggestions for what he is
asking for.
Compared to G-2, VG-10 is a high end steel. BDN1 might even be compared to G-2. But, yeah it seems you are correct. With a black handle, only VG-10 & S30v come to mind.
I'm currently using a gen3 Delica VG-10 since putting the G-2 away. It's fine, and if I were to sharpen it I'm sure it would continue to be fine. But I was looking for something other than a budget steel. S30V is an option. K390 concerns me a bit with corrosion. It gets hot and humid where I live, moisture builds up when outside in the summer. I've never been concerned with making sure my blades are oiled etc and I don't see that attitude changing.
I can't think of a better knife for you than the Salt 2.
You have two steels to choose from, H1 and LC200N.
Both are completely rust proof and very tough steels that can take on tough jobs.
H1 models are saber ground like you're familiar with, and the LC200N version is a full flat grind so it's not quite as tough but cuts thicker materials with less effort.
Both come in serrated and plain versions.
They're lightweight like your Delica. Most knives Spyderco makes these days are heavier due to steel liners inside the handles. Not sure if that concerns you or not.
If you want something with more extreme edge retention while not being rust prone, S90V would be a dramatic step up from G2 while being very corrosion resistant and tougher than the top end edge holding steels like K390, Maxamet and 15V.
M390 is another I'd look at. Very high edge retention, very good corrosion resistance, and easier to sharpen than a lot of super steels.
They've recently run the Delica 4 in M390 and S90V. Those have a different handle shape and have the steel liners I mentioned, FYI.
If you don't mind scouring ebay and the used market, the original Spyderco Salt 1 is basically a rust proof version of your Delica.
I'll echo the others in advising a sharpmaker. If you keep your new knife touched up once a month you'll get better performance out of it. You can drive a car for a year without touching up your PSI but the performance will be lacking
I had considered the H1, may still try it.
Re: Options for a plain, simple, boring, old timer like me.
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:08 pm
by JD Spydo
Evil D wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 1:56 am
I think I would be patient and get the Native 5 MagnaCut in full SE. They can't be too far off at this point. I have a feeling MagnaCut is going to turn the SE world upside down. If you've made it all these years without even sharpening, steel choice may not really matter that much and maybe also add a Sharpmaker to your list. The only downside is the yellow handle but if that really bothers you there are a couple ways to change it ranging from $6 to hundreds.
Oh and I bet you'd really like the upcoming Leaf Jumper. It'll be a bit larger than your Delica but has excellent ergonomics.
I think I would have to tend to go along with that idea myself. That would give a guy who uses his blades hard on a daily basis a premium newer SE blade model a well deserved upgrade as well as a super dependable EDC.
I've yet to use a full SE model in Magnacut as of yet but from what I'm hearing about it I'm all but certain that would be a move in the right direction. And YES!! do also get a Spyderco 204 Sharpmaker kit sharpening system to maintain your blades with. I think that getting both items would be a great investment based on what you've told us as well as a nice well deserved upgrade.
Re: Options for a plain, simple, boring, old timer like me.
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:21 pm
by spydergoat
Personally for a new serrated back lock in black I'd get a leaf jumper. There's also endela or a native 5 lightweight if you like those designs better. The native has the fancier steel but I don't know that steel choice matters if you plan to use the knife dull.
Re: Options for a plain, simple, boring, old timer like me.
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:31 pm
by benben
spydergoat wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:21 pm
Personally for a new serrated back lock in black I'd get a leaf jumper. There's also endela or a native 5 lightweight if you like those designs better. The native has the fancier steel but I don't know that steel choice matters if you plan to use the knife dull.
This right here!
Re: Options for a plain, simple, boring, old timer like me.
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:35 pm
by prndltech
Serrated pm2 sounds like a winner to me. I still want one just cuz there isn’t a current serrated military.
Re: Options for a plain, simple, boring, old timer like me.
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:56 pm
by skeeg11
I'm a salt water surf fisherman so serrated salts do have a purpose and place in my pocket. As knife AFI's we're all looking for something better than budget. Something we can take pride in ownership. An unavoidable affliction and with all the wonderful top tier steels Spyderco has to offer in many different models. It's easy to throw money at them.
To me, serrated blades represent a whole nother playing field. Corrosions resistance aside, I'm not detecting a significant amount of difference in cutting performance between my serrated salts and serrated 8Cr13MoV blades. I can buy 3 serrated Harrier 2's @ $33.95 as compaired to the above pictured black bladed serrated Salt 2 and have change left over. If you're worried about build quality, you needn't. All of my serrated Byrd back locks lock up tighter than any of my linerless salt back locks. I have the serrated Byrd Hawkbill, Harrier 2 wharnie, and Cara 2 wharnie. The only reason I don't still have my serrated Cara 2 Rescue is that I thought my fireman friend needed a "good" knife.
Many consider me to be a knife snob, but I can't turn up my nose at serrated Byrds.
Re: Options for a plain, simple, boring, old timer like me.
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 10:03 pm
by Doc Dan
All steels and all edge types will dull. They have to be sharpened.
Re: Options for a plain, simple, boring, old timer like me.
Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2022 1:06 am
by AverageKCGuy
JD Spydo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:08 pm
Evil D wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 1:56 am
I think I would be patient and get the Native 5 MagnaCut in full SE. They can't be too far off at this point. I have a feeling MagnaCut is going to turn the SE world upside down. If you've made it all these years without even sharpening, steel choice may not really matter that much and maybe also add a Sharpmaker to your list. The only downside is the yellow handle but if that really bothers you there are a couple ways to change it ranging from $6 to hundreds.
Oh and I bet you'd really like the upcoming Leaf Jumper. It'll be a bit larger than your Delica but has excellent ergonomics.
I think I would have to tend to go along with that idea myself. That would give a guy who uses his blades hard on a daily basis a premium newer SE blade model a well deserved upgrade as well as a super dependable EDC.
I've yet to use a full SE model in Magnacut as of yet but from what I'm hearing about it I'm all but certain that would be a move in the right direction. And YES!! do also get a Spyderco 204 Sharpmaker kit sharpening system to maintain your blades with. I think that getting both items would be a great investment based on what you've told us as well as a nice well deserved upgrade.
I ended up buying a Sharpmaker. If nothing else I'll clean up my son's PE Delica and my Delica gen3. H1 and S30V interest me but I just can't pull the trigger on either yet. I think at some point I might have to get them just to have experience with both while seeing how the Magnacut performs with some harder use.
Re: Options for a plain, simple, boring, old timer like me.
Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2022 9:13 am
by SpyderForLyfe
AverageKCGuy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 29, 2022 1:06 am
I ended up buying a Sharpmaker. If nothing else I'll clean up my son's PE Delica and my Delica gen3. H1 and S30V interest me but I just can't pull the trigger on either yet. I think at some point I might have to get them just to have experience with both while seeing how the Magnacut performs with some harder use.
The Sharpmaker is GREAT. Make sure you watch the videos first (you don't need the DVD they're on YouTube as well). And practice on an old kitchen knife, or some other cheap knife that you don't care about first. Get a real feel for the sharpening system before using it on a knife that you care about.
BladeHQ also posted a good video about it as well:
https://youtu.be/V-cfaW-hQf8
Re: Options for a plain, simple, boring, old timer like me.
Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2022 11:42 am
by twinboysdad
I don’t believe VG10 rusted in the Midwest. I live in the dirty South and have never had a fleck including HAP40 going in the Gulf of Mexico on accident. My VG10 is just under H1 is corrosion resistance
Re: Options for a plain, simple, boring, old timer like me.
Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2022 12:27 pm
by Hopsbreath
cabfrank wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 1:50 pm
There are many good suggestions here. I do want to point out that the Stretch 2 XL does indeed come in SE.
Can confirm, carrying mine today and it might be my favorite SE knife I’ve ever owned. My poor Pacific Salt hasn’t seen carry time since I got the S2XL.