2022 P.I.T.S Sprint!

[attila]

Yeah I'm in for this. Any idea what retailer will be offering this? I do have my preferences, which will be superseded by desire of course.

It should be any dealer that has sold sprint runs in the past. Keep an eye on all of them.

[kennethsime]

Mann, that looks like a sweet little knife. If DLT stocks it, and I have some rewards points built up, it may just be a move.

[Bemo]

Mann, that looks like a sweet little knife. If DLT stocks it, and I have some rewards points built up, it may just be a move.

Exactly my plan. With my luck it will be one of my lesser favorite dealers where I don't have points saved up.

[kennethsime]

Mann, that looks like a sweet little knife. If DLT stocks it, and I have some rewards points built up, it may just be a move.

Exactly my plan. With my luck it will be one of my lesser favorite dealers where I don't have points saved up.

Getting a little off-topic here, but I'm always sad that DLT seems to receive their stock after everyone else. I love DLT, they provide top-notch service, and I'd love them even more if Spyderco would prioritize them over some of the big boys.

[Bemo]

Agreed!

[Matus]

I am really liking the design and it will not be an easy decision financially. The only thing that is a thing to consider for me is the weight - it weights more than double the UKPK (not a surprise, just a fact). I really like that it has more belly towards the tip. Oh yes and it is not cheap, but to be honst - second hand ones from the previous productions have sold for about as much - and this one has m390 and is new. So I can't really complain - this is not a cheap knife to make.

[aicolainen]

Me having second thoughts with regards to the price, shouldn't be interpreted as "too much for what you're getting". The street price (though being on a US street) sounds quite reasonable. EU prices and availability may be a totally different ballgame.
Factoring in the EU street price (estimated by Ramonade to be in the ballpark of EUR/USD 500) and the hoops one has to go through to grab one, balanced against what it brings to the table with regards to capability and usability for me and my use... It's not a good look. It's main attraction is that it's kind of unique-ish and different. Surely useful and a good performer as well, but I would probably have to sacrifice (less unique) knives that probably serves me even better, to justify this one.
My knife hobby exists in the gray zone between enthusiastic user and reluctant collector, i.e. I will mostly put my money where I think I will get the most usability in return, but as my interest goes slightly deeper than pure utility, I will sometimes get a knife model for its significance rather than my own needs (e.g. Buck 11x, BM940, Harpy etc.) or for completeness and curiosity (e.g. different blade shape, lock type, steel etc.).
If I lived in a jurisdiction that treated locking and non locking knives differently, I believe this would be a much easier decision.

[Matus]

I am expecting EU price to be between 350 - 400€, a lot indeed, but surely not 500.

[JRinFL]

It's a shame they could not setup up an arrangement for the Italian maker to sell them in Europe.

[Matus]

It's a shame they could not setup up an arrangement for the Italian maker to sell them in Europe.

I have limited understanding for that ... I mean, Product made in EU going to an EU market, how hard can that be. Spyderco needs a branch in EU, that would most likely solve the problem. Maybe the sales volume in Europe is too small to make that a viable option. But for many of us it will push the price of this (and other) EU-made models out of reach, unfortunately. I know it is a prime example of a first world problem, but still not something to enjoy.

[metaphoricalsimile]

One of the reasons why I feel like the price isn't egregious on this is the fact that there just aren't that many designs for markets with laws that prevent carry for locking blades that are also well-suited to harder use. I just couldn't trust a slip joint for a cutting task that requires real force or bearing down, and this knife is a lot safer for that kind of use despite also not having a truly locked blade.

[Matus]

Well, many - if not most - slipjoints do pretty well when you bear DOWN on them, but pulling the knife while being stuck in whatever you are cutting is going to put your fingers into jeopardy pretty fast - and the PITS will do as well unless you are squeezing it strongly with a hammer grip.

[metaphoricalsimile]

Well, many - if not most - slipjoints do pretty well when you bear DOWN on them, but pulling the knife while being stuck in whatever you are cutting is going to put your fingers into jeopardy pretty fast - and the PITS will do as well unless you are squeezing it strongly with a hammer grip.

It's not what happens while you are bearing down that causes the danger, it's what happens if the material you are cutting gives way suddenly, in which case it is the natural reflex to pull your hand (and the knife) back towards you, and in that moment anything that the blade comes into contact with is going to tend to try to close the blade.

[Matus]

Good point

[Gsg9]

It's a shame they could not setup up an arrangement for the Italian maker to sell them in Europe.

I have limited understanding for that ... I mean, Product made in EU going to an EU market, how hard can that be. Spyderco needs a branch in EU, that would most likely solve the problem. Maybe the sales volume in Europe is too small to make that a viable option. But for many of us it will push the price of this (and other) EU-made models out of reach, unfortunately. I know it is a prime example of a first world problem, but still not something to enjoy.

IMHO Spyderco does not want that.

IMHO Spyderco does that on purpose as an opportunity to further increase the prices in Europe.

Say for the 280$ knife sold in EU at 400EUR that's equivalent of 430$, 430/280 = 1.53

So the knife that's made in EU factory with EU steel and EU workforce is sent across the ocean and is sold back in EU 53% more expensive than US, ironic isn't it?

EU VAT is on average between 18 and 24%, so the rest up to 53% there is a percentage there that Spyderco does further profit

Don't need a distribution center to ship EU made knives to EU dealers, the EU manufacturer can ship directly to EU dealers

Spyderco can send a couple of lads to QC over there.

If they want a EU distribution center that should be done in Eastern Europe, where costs are much lower, not in West.

Where there's a will there's a way, but we are making knives with old friends in Japan, US is homeland, EU screw them...

But at the current level of pricing, for example SpydieChef shot over 300EUR Para2 over 200EUR, don't know if EU market is relevant anymore, at the current level of pricing common sense says they should sell less and less...

[Fireman]

I’m going to sell my neighbors cat to get one

[Matus]

It's a shame they could not setup up an arrangement for the Italian maker to sell them in Europe.

I have limited understanding for that ... I mean, Product made in EU going to an EU market, how hard can that be. Spyderco needs a branch in EU, that would most likely solve the problem. Maybe the sales volume in Europe is too small to make that a viable option. But for many of us it will push the price of this (and other) EU-made models out of reach, unfortunately. I know it is a prime example of a first world problem, but still not something to enjoy.

IMHO Spyderco does not want that.

IMHO Spyderco does that on purpose as an opportunity to further increase the prices in Europe.

Say for the 280$ knife sold in EU at 400EUR that's equivalent of 430$, 430/280 = 1.53

...

I have a hard time to agree with you on this one. If Spyderco wants to sell knives in EU at inflated prices, then they can do it with or without a EU-based branch.

Second - I am going to take the Damasteel Urban as am example. The price in US in $280. It can be found in EU (Lamnia) for 330€ - that is still a long way to go from 400€. So I am not quite seeing it (I know that there are sellers that ask 400€ for it)

[vilePossum]

As much as I would live to get one (one hand opening locking knives are illegal to carry after all here in Germany, not that I care much...), but 400$? The same Italian factories offer slip joints in fully sculpted titanium and M390 for far less. Sure no spyderhole, but okay.
Plus that price will most likely translate to 399€ in Europe. If you are lucky 350€.
Also for the folks comparing it to Chris Reeve knives, there are pros and cons to both, but for me I guess there is a reason why I am buying mir CRK recently than Spyderco.

[Matus]

It is supposed to cost $280 in US. I would hope it will be under 350€, but yes, it is an expensive knife approaching Mnandi or Small Sebenza in price. I would believe that the lock/spring requires some fairly high precision machining and that comes with a price tag.

It is just another option on the table of unique knives. Surely not for everyone, but that is true for pretty much everything.

[vilePossum]

Okay let's put the cards on the table, how do you compare this knife to the lionsteel thrill titanium. Materials, machining, quality... And then compare prices.