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Re: My ideal Spyderco
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:17 pm
by Menipo
JonLeBlanc wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:44 am
Buddafucco wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:33 pm
That sounds like a Kapara 20cv exclusive.. i would think it's bound to happen eventually.
does sound pretty close, doesn't it?
Yes, but there are some differences which keep me dreaming of the ideal Spyderco that I described in the first post (though I think that the Kapara is one of the best additions to the Spyderco catalogue - I have one):
1) Blade: I love the texturing above the hole of the Endura because it adds control over the blade's spine. The Kapara does not have it. In addition, the Endura's blade is a little bit bigger (longer) and I like those extra milimeters.
2) Handle: It is true that the Kapara has a CF handle but the lack of texturing makes it a little bit sleepery, IMO. When I "ordered" a CF handle for my "ideal Spyderco" I was thinking more of that of the Ikuchi (CF/G10 laminate).
3) Clip: It is true that the Kapara has a deep carry clip. But it is not "as deep" as that of the UK Penknife, for instance. My point is that if a deep carry clip is meant to guarantee a carry so discrete that no one should notice that you carry a knife, that purpose is not achieved if a part (even if it is small) of the knife remains exposed. Thus, in my "ideal Spyderco" I was dreaming of a "true" deep carry clip which makes the knife invisible.
Re: My ideal Spyderco
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:51 pm
by JonLeBlanc
Menipo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:17 pm
JonLeBlanc wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:44 am
Buddafucco wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:33 pm
That sounds like a Kapara 20cv exclusive.. i would think it's bound to happen eventually.
does sound pretty close, doesn't it?
Yes, but there are some differences which keep me dreaming of the ideal Spyderco that I described in the first post (though I think that the Kapara is one of the best additions to the Spyderco catalogue - I have one):
1) Blade: I love the texturing above the hole of the Endura because it adds control over the blade's spine. The Kapara does not have it. In addition, the Endura's blade is a little bit bigger (longer) and I like those extra milimeters.
2) Handle: It is true that the Kapara has a CF handle but the lack of texturing makes it a little bit sleepery, IMO. When I "ordered" a CF handle for my "ideal Spyderco" I was thinking more of that of the Ikuchi (CF/G10 laminate).
3) Clip: It is true that the Kapara has a deep carry clip. But it is not "as deep" as that of the UK Penknife, for instance. My point is that if a deep carry clip is meant to guarantee a carry so discrete that no one should notice that you carry a knife, that purpose is not achieved if a part (even if it is small) of the knife remains exposed. Thus, in my "ideal Spyderco" I was dreaming of a "true" deep carry clip which makes the knife invisible.
Ok, I got you. I think the kind of texturing you're referring to is called "peel-ply" (it's the same as the standard G-10 texture). I suppose it's possible that Seki could put out a Endura like that as an exclusive, but to my knowledge, that manufactory has not used peel-ply carbon fiber, although if I am wrong, I'll stand corrected.
Re: My ideal Spyderco
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:39 pm
by Signalman1
I would modify only two of them one would be a Little Kapara or a extra large Mantra 2 both those knives are great just the way they are design wise...20CV on the Kapara would be a nice bonus...the Mantra2 just needs to be a hair bigger. :D
Signalman :mad: :) :D
Re: My ideal Spyderco
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:13 pm
by skeeg11
The Mantra 2 is deceptively compact which is why it is my most carried EDC. It really does have 3.2" of cutting edge. If you're looking for something a little longer with a blade design not too far removed from the Mantra 2, you may wish to consider the Siren. Whenever I'm in the great outdoors, the Mantra 2 gets swapped out for my Siren.It's a back lock with a Golden, Co. Cadillac build. Smoooooth & tight.
Re: My ideal Spyderco
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:24 pm
by Doc Dan
Menipo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:18 pm
TheGiant80 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:40 am
Endura 4 with linerless OD green G10 scales, Cru-wear steel, and a deep-carry pocket clip would be my ideal Spydie..
Our dream Spydercos are quite similar. You don't mention any change on the lock system so I understand that you are OK with the lock back of the Endura. I would prefer a compression because I sharpen my knives to a mirror polish point. With such a cutting power, putting the fingers in the path of the blade when closing the Endura with one hand makes me sometimes a little bit nervous ... :o
With the Endura there is no need to have your fingers in the path of the blade when closing. All you need do is put your pointer finger in the hole while depressing the lock. Rotate the blade towards close. Then, either use your finger on the spine to snap it closed, or put your thumb in the hole and guide it closed.
There is a video by Vivi showing something like this. This is the safest lock.
Re: My ideal Spyderco
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:28 am
by Menipo
JonLeBlanc wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:51 pm
Ok, I got you. I think the kind of texturing you're referring to is called "peel-ply" (it's the same as the standard G-10 texture). I suppose it's possible that Seki could put out a Endura like that as an exclusive, but to my knowledge, that manufactory has not used peel-ply carbon fiber, although if I am wrong, I'll stand corrected.
Thanks for the info!
I wish Seki could put out a Endura entirely like the one I described in my first post. Modifying the blade and handle materials, and even putting a deep carry instead of the regular clip would not be particularly difficult, I tend to believe. But redesigning the locking mechanism to turn a backlock into a compression is another story, I am afraid
But I keep dreaming .... :)
Re: My ideal Spyderco
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:19 am
by Menipo
Doc Dan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:24 pm
With the Endura there is no need to have your fingers in the path of the blade when closing. All you need do is put your pointer finger in the hole while depressing the lock. Rotate the blade towards close. Then, either use your finger on the spine to snap it closed, or put your thumb in the hole and guide it closed.
There is a video by Vivi showing something like this. This is the safest lock.
I haven't found that video by Vivi but I think that I see what you mean. I use a variant of that method (there is a video by Nick Shabazz showing it): I put the thumb on the lock and firmly grab the handle with the other 4 fingers (putting the pointer finger at the very end of the handle); then I depress the lock and start the closing action by gravity. When the blade starts to rotate towards close and its non sharpened part (the choil) hits my pointer finger, I move it on the spine, remove the other from the path of the blade and snap it closed.
However, in both cases, when the blade gets disengaged and starts to rotate toward close you have 3 (using "Vivi's method") or 4 (using "Nick's method") fingers in the path of the blade. If something goes wrong (for instance if you put too much presure simultaneously on both the thumb to disengage and the pointer finger to start the rotation, and the blade completes the rotation toward close before you remove the other three fingers from the path of the blade ... I do not even want to imagine the result ...
I've got some bites when closing backlocks (using my method) because the size of the non sharpened choil is different in each model and is difficult to develop muscle memory (so sometimes I put the pointer finger in the wrong place). But I never got one when closing any of the three compression locks that I have (Para 2, Kapara and Ikuchi). So either the compression lock is safer ... or it is just a matter of (my) clumsyness :)
Re: My ideal Spyderco
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:04 am
by Wartstein
Menipo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:19 am
Doc Dan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:24 pm
I haven't found that video by Vivi but I think that I see what you mean. I use a variant of that method (there is a video by Nick Shabazz showing it): I put the thumb on the lock and firmly grab the handle with the other 4 fingers (putting the pointer finger at the very end of the handle); then I depress the lock and start the closing action by gravity. When the blade starts to rotate towards close and its non sharpened part (the choil) hits my pointer finger, I move it on the spine, remove the other from the path of the blade and snap it closed.
However, in both cases, when the blade gets disengaged and starts to rotate toward close you have 3 (using "Vivi's method") or 4 (using "Nick's method") fingers in the path of the blade. If something goes wrong (for instance if you put too much presure simultaneously on both the thumb to disengage and the pointer finger to start the rotation, and the blade completes the rotation toward close before you remove the other three fingers from the path of the blade ... I do not even want to imagine the result ...
I've got some bites when closing backlocks (using my method) because the size of the non sharpened choil is different in each model and is difficult to develop muscle memory (so sometimes I put the pointer finger in the wrong place). But I never got one when closing any of the three compression locks that I have (Para 2, Kapara and Ikuchi). So either the compression lock is safer ... or it is just a matter of (my) clumsyness :)
Hi Menipo,
Not Vivis vid (would be better...) but mine, still it shows the method Doc mentioned: Very convinient, and you don´t have to drop the "blade" onto your forefinger (method shown one time slow, two times regular speed):
https://streamable.com/myzlt
And if you don´t want to have your fingers in the blade path ever and and at all: Easy to do, see here
https://streamable.com/j7fjd
A third very convinient and quick method:
https://streamable.com/bhhzs
Re: My ideal Spyderco
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:27 am
by Wartstein
Menipo, the following is meant NOT as an offense towards you by
any means (!!!),
but for me it is just interesting, that you as a
new member here in your first post actually bring up the in my personal opinion biggest still existing "knife myths":
- Serrations don´t cut well and are only good for very specific tasks (the second part of the myth would be: Serrations are hard to sharpen) - not true at all in my experience
- Backlocks are unsafe for the fingers when closing (the second part of
that myth would be: And backlocks are generally awkward to close one handed) - also not true in my experience
Of course these are only my opinions (though shared by many here, especially when it comes to serrations), but I think you might be surprised if you gave a "modern", non aggressive spyderedge in ffg and the Spyderco backlock generally a "second chance"
Re: My ideal Spyderco
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:19 am
by brj
My ideal Spyderco already exists, it's called Military
Re: My ideal Spyderco
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:35 am
by Doc Dan
Menipo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:19 am
Doc Dan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:24 pm
With the Endura there is no need to have your fingers in the path of the blade when closing. All you need do is put your pointer finger in the hole while depressing the lock. Rotate the blade towards close. Then, either use your finger on the spine to snap it closed, or put your thumb in the hole and guide it closed.
There is a video by Vivi showing something like this. This is the safest lock.
I haven't found that video by Vivi but I think that I see what you mean. I use a variant of that method (there is a video by Nick Shabazz showing it): I put the thumb on the lock and firmly grab the handle with the other 4 fingers (putting the pointer finger at the very end of the handle); then I depress the lock and start the closing action by gravity. When the blade starts to rotate towards close and its non sharpened part (the choil) hits my pointer finger, I move it on the spine, remove the other from the path of the blade and snap it closed.
However, in both cases, when the blade gets disengaged and starts to rotate toward close you have 3 (using "Vivi's method") or 4 (using "Nick's method") fingers in the path of the blade. If something goes wrong (for instance if you put too much presure simultaneously on both the thumb to disengage and the pointer finger to start the rotation, and the blade completes the rotation toward close before you remove the other three fingers from the path of the blade ... I do not even want to imagine the result ...
I've got some bites when closing backlocks (using my method) because the size of the non sharpened choil is different in each model and is difficult to develop muscle memory (so sometimes I put the pointer finger in the wrong place). But I never got one when closing any of the three compression locks that I have (Para 2, Kapara and Ikuchi). So either the compression lock is safer ... or it is just a matter of (my) clumsyness :)
The method I use never allows the tang or any part of the blade to contact fingers.
Re: My ideal Spyderco
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:04 am
by Menipo
Wartstein wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:04 am
Hi Menipo,
Not Vivis vid (would be better...) but mine, still it shows the method Doc mentioned: Very convinient, and you don´t have to drop the "blade" onto your forefinger (method shown one time slow, two times regular speed):
https://streamable.com/myzlt
And if you don´t want to have your fingers in the blade path ever and and at all: Easy to do, see here
https://streamable.com/j7fjd
A third very convinient and quick method:
https://streamable.com/bhhzs
Grüß Gott, Wartstein,
MANY thanks for your three videos.
As to the ways of closing the knife shown in the first and third ones, I still consider them risky because three fingers have to be (or are) in the path of the blade till it reaches a 90º angle when rotating towards close.
I like very much the way shown in the second video. I have tried it a couple of times with my Endura but, for the time being, it does not work because I can not disengage the lock with the pointer finger (the spring has too much tension). I am sure that when the spring tension looses over time (with the use) I will be able to safely close the Endura with one hand that way.
Many thanks again.
Re: My ideal Spyderco
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:15 am
by Menipo
Wartstein wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:27 am
Menipo, the following is meant NOT as an offense towards you by
any means (!!!),
but for me it is just interesting, that you as a
new member here in your first post actually bring up the in my personal opinion biggest still existing "knife myths":
- Serrations don´t cut well and are only good for very specific tasks (the second part of the myth would be: Serrations are hard to sharpen) - not true at all in my experience
- Backlocks are unsafe for the fingers when closing (the second part of
that myth would be: And backlocks are generally awkward to close one handed) - also not true in my experience
Of course these are only my opinions (though shared by many here, especially when it comes to serrations), but I think you might be surprised if you gave a "modern", non aggressive spyderedge in ffg and the Spyderco backlock generally a "second chance"
Wartstein,
Do not worry. Be assured that I do not take your words as an offense. I fully understand what you want to say.
I am a new member here but have been collecting knives for more than 20 years (and using them since I have use of reason). In both cases (serrations and closing of lockbacks) I talk from my own experience.
Having said that, as regards serrations, I am ready to give another chance to modern patterns. As I explained in previous posts, all my Spydercos partially or totally serrated were manufactured decades ago. I am always open to reconsider my views.
As to the closing of lockbacks I have addressed that point in my previous response.
Thanks again, pal!
Re: My ideal Spyderco
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:31 am
by Menipo
brj wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:19 am
My ideal Spyderco already exists, it's called Military
I have said in a previous post that if I had to take with me just one of the knives of my collection, it would probably be my Military.
However, I used the Endura as the platform to design my ideal knife because my preferred lock system is the compression lock and putting a compression lock to a Military would make its closing with gloves really difficult. And the Military was precisely designed in terms of size of the handle and closing method, if I am correct, for easy use with or without gloves.
Re: My ideal Spyderco
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:41 am
by Menipo
Doc Dan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:35 am
The method I use never allows the tang or any part of the blade to contact fingers.
I know, Doc. Putting the finger at the end of the handle to stop the motion of the blade when it starts its rotation towards close by gravity (making the contact with the choil or the non sharpened portion of the blade) is a variation of the method that you use.
My point is that when you disengage the lock with the thumb and guide the blade towards close with your pointer finger (in the hole) there are three fingers in the path of the blade. And that makes me a little bit nervous ..... :)
Re: My ideal Spyderco
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:18 am
by Evil D
I haven't found my ideal knife yet, though I have a couple that are pretty close even those would need some tweaking to be perfect.
Caribbean - tweak the blade a bit so there's no thumb ramp at all, more like a Shaman.
Shaman - bring that first point on the handle at the rear of the finger choil all the way out to the end of the handle, then bring the edge all the way back to the handle and do away with the choil.
Re: My ideal Spyderco
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:19 am
by abbazaba
PM2 FRN LW with a deep carry wire clip :)
Re: My ideal Spyderco
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:20 am
by skeeg11
Hi David---
Aside from the different lock, it sounds almost like a serrated Siren. <g>
Re: My ideal Spyderco
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:30 am
by Sumdumguy
Honestly... After all is said and done, my ideal Spyderco is the Micro Dyad.
All of my other knives are secondary carry, these days. The Micro Dyad is ALWAYS at the bottom of my pocket, regardless of whatever else I'm carrying and I reach for it 99% of the time.
I like having a larger knife, just incase. But, the MD is the star of the show, these days.
Also, I don't do the same kind of work that I used to. So, that has influenced the change more than anything.
Re: My ideal Spyderco
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:58 am
by Wartstein
Menipo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:04 am
Wartstein wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:04 am
Hi Menipo,
Not Vivis vid (would be better...) but mine, still it shows the method Doc mentioned: Very convinient, and you don´t have to drop the "blade" onto your forefinger (method shown one time slow, two times regular speed):
https://streamable.com/myzlt
And if you don´t want to have your fingers in the blade path ever and and at all: Easy to do, see here
https://streamable.com/j7fjd
A third very convinient and quick method:
https://streamable.com/bhhzs
Grüß Gott, Wartstein,
MANY thanks for your three videos.
As to the ways of closing the knife shown in the first and third ones, I still consider them risky because three fingers have to be (or are) in the path of the blade till it reaches a 90º angle when rotating towards close.
I like very much the way shown in the second video. I have tried it a couple of times with my Endura but, for the time being, it does not work because I can not disengage the lock with the pointer finger (the spring has too much tension). I am sure that when the spring tension looses over time (with the use) I will be able to safely close the Endura with one hand that way.
Many thanks again.
Buenos dias, Menipo! (You actually know the salutation "Grüß Gott"? Have you been to Austria or Bavaria? "Grüß Gott" is a way of greeting almost exclusively used there, and not generally in the German language..)
Concerning the "fingers all the time out of the blade path method" with a backlock:
https://streamable.com/j7fjd
I´ll admit that this certainly takes more finger strength, more dexterity and a bit more practice than the quite similar way of closing with comp lock (or CBBL)
I´ll also have to say that due to a lot of climbing, playing guitar, and so on I most likely just have to have more finger strength than the average person.
Still, I think most of it is just technique and a bit practice!
One advice: When closing a backlock by releasing the lockbar with the index finger:
Try NOT to move you whole hand / all fingers to the back of the handle, but mostly JUST the index finger (so it can activate the lockbar). Especially the thumb should remain at the front end of the handle (like to be seen in the clip) Might feel awkward at first, but pretty soon quite natural and imho requires less finger strength.
In this thread
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87480 Vivi explains that this very method is his preferred one on the Siren (another backlock knife), he linked this vid
https://streamable.com/qlzh73 there where you can see how he performs it