The "Chicagojimbo" (Yojimboston?)

[Rinzler]

Love how this knife turned out, but, I’m just glad I don’t have those restrictions!

Even some of the most "free" areas of the US still have federal facilities with knife laws restricted according to 18 USC 930(g).

[James Y]

I like it. It's beautiful. But if you decide to defend yourself in Chicago, based on my experience, you are much better off having FOID and CCW cards, and shoot the guy/gal. IF you use a knife to defend yourself, even against 4 to 5 guys, do not stick around for the cops. They will charge you with an Ag Assault.

I agree that you are probably better off shooting than using a knife. And although I don’t personally carry a knife for self-defense purposes, some people do, because not every state allows for average citizens to obtain a CCW permit.

As far as someone having to use a knife to defend themselves, I don’t think that fleeing the scene, other than for personal safety, and not notifying the authorities, would be a good idea. Nowadays, you will most likely be caught on camera at some point, which will compound the hot water you’re already in when the trail of evidence leads to you. Not to mention that the attacker(s) who either survived or witnessed the event will have his/their own version of the story painting you as the aggressor. Either way, you’re going to go into the legal system, and whether it ultimately works in your favor or not, your life will be turned upside down. But if someone is defending their life, you gotta do what you gotta do.

Jim

[Mushroom]

Dear Nick:

Thank you very much for sharing your enthusiasm for the Chicagojimbo. I'm very glad you're pleased with the workmanship and hope your knife serves you well!

Stay safe,

Mike

Thank you, Mike! I've been eyeing them for a bit and am stoked to finally have one. :D

[Naperville]

I like it. It's beautiful. But if you decide to defend yourself in Chicago, based on my experience, you are much better off having FOID and CCW cards, and shoot the guy/gal. IF you use a knife to defend yourself, even against 4 to 5 guys, do not stick around for the cops. They will charge you with an Ag Assault.

I agree that you are probably better off shooting than using a knife. And although I don’t personally carry a knife for self-defense purposes, some people do, because not every state allows for average citizens to obtain a CCW permit.

As far as someone having to use a knife to defend themselves, I don’t think that fleeing the scene, other than for personal safety, and not notifying the authorities, would be a good idea. Nowadays, you will most likely be caught on camera at some point, which will compound the hot water you’re already in when the trail of evidence leads to you. Not to mention that the attacker(s) who either survived or witnessed the event will have his/their own version of the story painting you as the aggressor. Either way, you’re going to go into the legal system, and whether it ultimately works in your favor or not, your life will be turned upside down. But if someone is defending their life, you gotta do what you gotta do.

Jim

Yes, totally my mistake, and I was wrong to post that. I do not suggest running away from what is now a crime scene. The law could come down on you much harder.

I was caught up in a case where I defended myself from 4 to 5 guys striking me, and the authorities in Chicago frown on weapons defense, UNLESS it is with a FOID holding CCW carrier. Why having a background check on anyone prior to a defensive event is important I do not know. There are dozens of shootings which have resulted in deaths by CCW card holders over the last 5 years and as far as I know, none of the legitimate shootings have come back to haunt the concealed weapons holders.

If you have a weapon on you of any kind and are in Chicago, without a CCW card, my suggestion is do not use the weapon.

[PStone]

I like it. It's beautiful. But if you decide to defend yourself in Chicago, based on my experience, you are much better off having FOID and CCW cards, and shoot the guy/gal. IF you use a knife to defend yourself, even against 4 to 5 guys, do not stick around for the cops. They will charge you with an Ag Assault.

I agree that you are probably better off shooting than using a knife. And although I don’t personally carry a knife for self-defense purposes, some people do, because not every state allows for average citizens to obtain a CCW permit.

As far as someone having to use a knife to defend themselves, I don’t think that fleeing the scene, other than for personal safety, and not notifying the authorities, would be a good idea. Nowadays, you will most likely be caught on camera at some point, which will compound the hot water you’re already in when the trail of evidence leads to you. Not to mention that the attacker(s) who either survived or witnessed the event will have his/their own version of the story painting you as the aggressor. Either way, you’re going to go into the legal system, and whether it ultimately works in your favor or not, your life will be turned upside down. But if someone is defending their life, you gotta do what you gotta do.

Jim

Yes, totally my mistake, and I was wrong to post that. I do not suggest running away from what is now a crime scene. The law could come down on you much harder.

I was caught up in a case where I defended myself from 4 to 5 guys striking me, and the authorities in Chicago frown on weapons defense, UNLESS it is with a FOID holding CCW carrier. Why having a background check on anyone prior to a defensive event is important I do not know. There are dozens of shootings which have resulted in deaths by CCW card holders over the last 5 years and as far as I know, none of the legitimate shootings have come back to haunt the concealed weapons holders.

If you have a weapon on you of any kind and are in Chicago, without a CCW card, my suggestion is do not use the weapon.

There has to be more to this story. Assault is only the THREAT to bodily harm. The knife would’ve aggravated the assault charge. There must’ve been an initial assault(threat), with aggravating conditions(the knife). Although many things can aggravate a charge. Possibly the incident occurred in a public right of way. That would aggravate an assault charge. But if there was actual bodily harm, it would’ve been booked as agg battery, with or without intent(both felony). Unless maybe the officer cut you a break and only booked you on the misdemeanor agg assault. In which case you’re very lucky.

With the exception of Chicago, the state of Illinois has way more relaxed knife laws than most other states. You can carry just about anything you want with no length limit. Just no gov’t buildings, schools, basically anywhere you can’t take a gun. And autos need a FOID to carry. Totally legal for all to own though.

[Naperville]

There has to be more to this story. Assault is only the THREAT to bodily harm. The knife would’ve aggravated the assault charge. There must’ve been an initial assault(threat), with aggravating conditions(the knife). Although many things can aggravate a charge. Possibly the incident occurred in a public right of way. That would aggravate an assault charge. But if there was actual bodily harm, it would’ve been booked as agg battery, with or without intent(both felony). Unless maybe the officer cut you a break and only booked you on the misdemeanor agg assault. In which case you’re very lucky.

With the exception of Chicago, the state of Illinois has way more relaxed knife laws than most other states. You can carry just about anything you want with no length limit. Just no gov’t buildings, schools, basically anywhere you can’t take a gun. And autos need a FOID to carry. Totally legal for all to own though.

There were 4 to 5 guys grabbing at me, punching, slapping, and kicking me for asking if there were any members of the 43rd Street Boys in a bar. They had threatened to burn down my house(2 Flat) earlier in the day. I handle all situations with gang bangers and always have for my family. I've been dealing with gangs for decades with no problems. I've also studied/dabbled in martial arts for the better part of my life, in and out of at least 10 different martial arts.

I was afraid of losing control of the situation, and drew a 1.75 inch knife from out of my pocket to my right hip where it stayed. I did not slice, swing, stab, or motion with the knife. Nobody was cut, stabbed, or verbally assaulted. I said "KNIFE" to try and get to a clear path out of the situation.

THEY PAUSED THE BEATING, AND I WALKED.

That is the entire story. They would not listen to me. They placed me under arrest and booked me, then let me out on misdemeanor ag assault.

I don't care that much, but Chicago is a cesspool. I can handle myself and it does not mean anything to me. My family has $550,000 worth of property sitting vacant due to nobody in my family wanting to live with savages, AND a liberal political situation from top to bottom.

My brother is a CPD Chicago Cop (almost 30 years on force) and cannot get his gf and her son to live with him in Beverly. The other property is in Canaryville. You in a buying mood?

If you have a weapon on you of any kind and are in Chicago, without a CCW card, my suggestion is do not use the weapon.

[PStone]

There has to be more to this story. Assault is only the THREAT to bodily harm. The knife would’ve aggravated the assault charge. There must’ve been an initial assault(threat), with aggravating conditions(the knife). Although many things can aggravate a charge. Possibly the incident occurred in a public right of way. That would aggravate an assault charge. But if there was actual bodily harm, it would’ve been booked as agg battery, with or without intent(both felony). Unless maybe the officer cut you a break and only booked you on the misdemeanor agg assault. In which case you’re very lucky.

With the exception of Chicago, the state of Illinois has way more relaxed knife laws than most other states. You can carry just about anything you want with no length limit. Just no gov’t buildings, schools, basically anywhere you can’t take a gun. And autos need a FOID to carry. Totally legal for all to own though.

There were 4 to 5 guys grabbing at me, punching, slapping, and kicking me for asking if there were any members of the 43rd Street Boys in a bar. They had threatened to burn down my house(2 Flat) earlier in the day. I handle all situations with gang bangers and always have for my family. I've been dealing with gangs for decades with no problems. I've also studied/dabbled in martial arts for the better part of my life, in and out of at least 10 different martial arts.

I was afraid of losing control of the situation, and drew a 1.75 inch knife from out of my pocket to my right hip where it stayed. I did not slice, swing, stab, or motion with the knife. Nobody was cut, stabbed, or verbally assaulted. I said "KNIFE" to try and get to a clear path out of the situation.

THEY PAUSED THE BEATING, AND I WALKED.

That is the entire story. They would not listen to me. They placed me under arrest and booked me, then let me out on misdemeanor ag assault.

I don't care that much, but Chicago is a cesspool. I can handle myself and it does not mean anything to me. My family has $550,000 worth of property sitting vacant due to nobody in my family wanting to live with savages, AND a liberal political situation from top to bottom.

My brother is a CPD Chicago Cop (almost 30 years on force) and cannot get his gf and her son to live with him in Beverly. The other property is in Canaryville. You in a buying mood?

Ok. I understand now. Thanks for elaborating. Can’t say I disagree with your tactics. But from the officers point of view, you were the aggressor and those 4-5 were “defending” themselves. You were the one “out looking” for some gang bangers.

And about Chicago. The cesspool is overflowing. Our town, two hours south, was looted and ransacked all over last night. Busses were literally dropping hundreds of people off so they could go loot. Stay safe out there. You’re a lot closer to that pool than me.

[Naperville]

Ok. I understand now. Thanks for elaborating. Can’t say I disagree with your tactics. But from the officers point of view, you were the aggressor and those 4-5 were “defending” themselves. You were the one “out looking” for some gang bangers.

And about Chicago. The cesspool is overflowing. Our town, two hours south, was looted and ransacked all over last night. Busses were literally dropping hundreds of people off so they could go loot. Stay safe out there. You’re a lot closer to that pool than me.

Thanks for reading all of this. I've had run ins with at least 4 major gangs in Canaryville ranging from the Latin Kings, Saints Disciples, 42 Boys, and more. I've broken up car theft rings on my block, and made "friends" where we were at each other's throats to the point that they were shooting out brand new Pella windows. I ended up playing a round of basketball with the Latin Kings. Things got very quiet on my block after I moved in.

The Antifa and DSA are your problem, among others. They organize on Twitter, call meetings, and for riots...and Twitter lets them get away with it.

I don't have any solutions. Just a person fighting for peace.

[PStone]

Ok. I understand now. Thanks for elaborating. Can’t say I disagree with your tactics. But from the officers point of view, you were the aggressor and those 4-5 were “defending” themselves. You were the one “out looking” for some gang bangers.

And about Chicago. The cesspool is overflowing. Our town, two hours south, was looted and ransacked all over last night. Busses were literally dropping hundreds of people off so they could go loot. Stay safe out there. You’re a lot closer to that pool than me.

Thanks for reading all of this. I've had run ins with at least 4 major gangs in Canaryville ranging from the Latin Kings, Saints Disciples, 42 Boys, and more. I've broken up car theft rings on my block, and made "friends" where we were at each other's throats to the point that they were shooting out brand new Pella windows. I ended up playing a round of basketball with the Latin Kings. Things got very quiet on my block after I moved in.

The Antifa and DSA are your problem, among others. They organize on Twitter, call meetings, and for riots...and Twitter lets them get away with it.

I don't have any solutions. Just a person fighting for peace.

No, thank you! I read a lot of your posts. Can’t say each and every one, but when I do see your name, I always click to see what you’ve posted. We live in the same state so I am always curious what you have to say. I was genuinely curious the circumstances that surrounded that event since the laws that decided the outcome are the same ones that affect me.

And I actually do take that stance you mention regarding knives for self defense. As in “Don’t use a knife”. Just for different reasoning.

I prefer not to have any blades whatsoever on me if there were to be a confrontation. If they’ve got a gun, I lose. If they got a knife, I’m not skilled enough to guarantee anyone’s safety with mine, I’ll most likely lose. If I got a knife and they got nothing, no possible way it could be legal. Attempted murder maybe? Maybe they just overpower me and take it from me.

If it’s just fists though. That’s really the only level I stand a fair chance. But I’ve also had enough scuffles to know that a knife clipped on my pocket ain’t staying there for long in a confrontation. I’ve had phones come out, wallet, money, lost necklaces, a watch once, shirts ripped to ****. Basically anything one would have in a pocket or wear loosely is subject. Waist band no good either. I’d say worse. It’s not even clipped. Just sitting there waiting to be pulled out by the first one to get to it. Might not be me. The last thing I want is for my knife to come loose or taken, and then be used against me. Not that I get in a lot of fights or anything. But it is something I do worry about. So if I know I’m going out where there’s big crowds or drinking involved, I don’t carry a knife.

That said, I still want this Chicagojimbo. Badly. Not for self defense though. I used to use a yojimbo at work a lot, as a utility blade. Really liked it a lot. Accelerated greatly at processing recyclables. Which is a majority is what my knife is used for at work. I think this would too but with soooo much more tip control. I know these are extremely limited and can only cross my fingers one stays available while my knife fund recovers over the next couple paychecks.

[MacLaren]

Wow. That is so awesome Nick!!
Thats also a very good price too!
To have the signature along with the paperwork is just fantastic.
Congratulations Nick!
Also, Nick, not sure if you have one but, the Yojimbo 2 in 20CV is so sweet. If ya don't already have one, I highly recommend you get one!
I realize its not legal where you live, but still worth keeping at the house at least :)

[Naperville]

No, thank you! I read a lot of your posts. Can’t say each and every one, but when I do see your name, I always click to see what you’ve posted. We live in the same state so I am always curious what you have to say. I was genuinely curious the circumstances that surrounded that event since the laws that decided the outcome are the same ones that affect me.

I really appreciate what you have said. Nobody has ever said that to me before.

And I actually do take that stance you mention regarding knives for self defense. As in “Don’t use a knife”. Just for different reasoning.

I prefer not to have any blades whatsoever on me if there were to be a confrontation. If they’ve got a gun, I lose. If they got a knife, I’m not skilled enough to guarantee anyone’s safety with mine, I’ll most likely lose. If I got a knife and they got nothing, no possible way it could be legal. Attempted murder maybe? Maybe they just overpower me and take it from me.

If it’s just fists though. That’s really the only level I stand a fair chance. But I’ve also had enough scuffles to know that a knife clipped on my pocket ain’t staying there for long in a confrontation. I’ve had phones come out, wallet, money, lost necklaces, a watch once, shirts ripped to ****. Basically anything one would have in a pocket or wear loosely is subject. Waist band no good either. I’d say worse. It’s not even clipped. Just sitting there waiting to be pulled out by the first one to get to it. Might not be me. The last thing I want is for my knife to come loose or taken, and then be used against me. Not that I get in a lot of fights or anything. But it is something I do worry about. So if I know I’m going out where there’s big crowds or drinking involved, I don’t carry a knife.

That said, I still want this Chicagojimbo. Badly. Not for self defense though. I used to use a yojimbo at work a lot, as a utility blade. Really liked it a lot. Accelerated greatly at processing recyclables. Which is a majority is what my knife is used for at work. I think this would too but with soooo much more tip control. I know these are extremely limited and can only cross my fingers one stays available while my knife fund recovers over the next couple paychecks.

I'll keep carrying. I am very lawful, but, if I get in to something very bad I want options.

I really like the Chicagojimbo too, it's just that my funds are limited at the moment. Have my eye on other knives, several of which are Spyderco. I stay out of Chicago for now, so a small folder would not get used by me. It's a love hate relationship with Chicago. I like it for job opportunities, museums and symphonies, but otherwise stay out.

[Murindo]

I'm enjoying mine but hope I never have to visit Chicago, Boston, or other places where good citizens are not trusted.

[Mushroom]

Wow. That is so awesome Nick!!
Thats also a very good price too!
To have the signature along with the paperwork is just fantastic.
Congratulations Nick!
Also, Nick, not sure if you have one but, the Yojimbo 2 in 20CV is so sweet. If ya don't already have one, I highly recommend you get one!
I realize its not legal where you live, but still worth keeping at the house at least :)

Thanks Mac! And as much as I love the knife, I personally value the signature on the box and the official paperwork a great deal as well! :D I think its the collector in me.

And I actually did have the 20CV carbon fiber Yojimbo 2, but ended up selling it. :o I really regret it now though, the smooth carbon fiber scales were just beautiful!

[MacLaren]

Wow. That is so awesome Nick!!
Thats also a very good price too!
To have the signature along with the paperwork is just fantastic.
Congratulations Nick!
Also, Nick, not sure if you have one but, the Yojimbo 2 in 20CV is so sweet. If ya don't already have one, I highly recommend you get one!
I realize its not legal where you live, but still worth keeping at the house at least :)

Thanks Mac! And as much as I love the knife, I personally value the signature on the box and the official paperwork a great deal as well! :D I think its the collector in me.

And I actually did have the 20CV carbon fiber Yojimbo 2, but ended up selling it. :o I really regret it now though, the smooth carbon fiber scales were just beautiful!

Your certainly welcome. No doubt about it being a collector.
You did really well!!

[sal]

Hi Murindo,

Welcome to our forum.

It's been a very interesting discussion. Thanx to all for sharing some really valuable experiences.

Just my opinion:

"All God's critters have knives". in their mouth, the ends of their fingers, toes, out of the top of their head, etc. We make "High performance matter separators". Many shapes and sizes. Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

sal

[SubMicron]

Gonna need something more like an M1 Abrams for a place like Chicago.

[z4vdBt]

Can someone note the weight of the Chicagojimbo?

[Mushroom]

Can someone note the weight of the Chicagojimbo?

It's weighing in at 3.865 oz. A regular Yojimbo 2 is listed at 4 oz.

[z4vdBt]

cool - thanks.

[z4vdBt]

Just ordered one ( backordered ) earlier today.