Hey Sal, any chances for Spyderco C15 revival?

[Jazz]

Reengineered, strong lock, no serrations, nonchamfered hole, and Sal's yer uncle.

[ourgon]

Better call Sal.

:P

[robot37]

My opinion is that the reissued Starmate construction is pretty top-notch.
Very thick liners, precision fit all around, very solid liner lock up. Great materials, modern fasteners. It had everything you could want or need. It kept extremely well with Sal's motto of "make it as simple as possible and no simpler".
If we could get that same level of construction on a C15 reissue I'd be the happiest man alive!

Having said that, if Sal and crew would do up a C15 like they do with the Military - nested G10, the best liner lock in town, etc. . . Well, then I'd be slightly happier than the happiest man alive.

On the subject of steel, I'm not picky. Modern steels are all pretty good. VG-10, 154CM, or S30V would all be great in my book.

Either way, if they bring back the C15 I'd be down for at least 2.
-nate

[gull wing]

Hey, I have that knife. I must take it out of the box and look at it again.
Keep the blade shape, add a swedge, move clip.

[DeathBySnooSnoo]

My opinion is that the reissued Starmate construction is pretty top-notch.
Very thick liners, precision fit all around, very solid liner lock up. Great materials, modern fasteners. It had everything you could want or need. It kept extremely well with Sal's motto of "make it as simple as possible and no simpler".
If we could get that same level of construction on a C15 reissue I'd be the happiest man alive!

Having said that, if Sal and crew would do up a C15 like they do with the Military - nested G10, the best liner lock in town, etc. . . Well, then I'd be slightly happier than the happiest man alive.

On the subject of steel, I'm not picky. Modern steels are all pretty good. VG-10, 154CM, or S30V would all be great in my book.

Either way, if they bring back the C15 I'd be down for at least 2.
-nate

Nate, you might want to go back and look at the reissue and compare it to the original...they are not even close. the original was spectacular. The reissue was Meh at best. Fit and finish were ok, the grinds were lackluster and not crisp at all. There were a large number with unfinished ricassos. If the C15 is reissued using that same manufacturer, I would be highly disappointed. I passed on the double bevel for the same reasons...just did not do the maker justice (IMO).

Let see the C15 made in Golden (like the original) or in Taiwan.

[gbelleh]

My Double Bevel is pretty nice. Better overall F&F than my Starmate (which isn't terrible, but definitely not great). The blade grind on my Double Bevel could've been slightly better, but it's a nice, solid knife. A Taichung built C15 would no doubt be amazing, and then it could have something like XHP.

[DeathBySnooSnoo]

My Double Bevel is pretty nice. Better overall F&F than my Starmate (which isn't terrible, but definitely not great). The blade grind on my Double Bevel could've been slightly better, but it's a nice, solid knife. A Taichung built C15 would no doubt be amazing, and then it could have something like XHP.

I don't mean to imply that they are terrible. They are not, not at all. I just think that for the money, and compared to what we see from Golden and Taiwan, they are lacking. In all likelihood, I will wait and while and recheck on the DB because I really like the knife. But I just want it better than it is.

[robot37]

Nate, you might want to go back and look at the reissue and compare it to the original...they are not even close. the original was spectacular. The reissue was Meh at best. Fit and finish were ok, the grinds were lackluster and not crisp at all. There were a large number with unfinished ricassos. If the C15 is reissued using that same manufacturer, I would be highly disappointed. I passed on the double bevel for the same reasons...just did not do the maker justice (IMO).
Let see the C15 made in Golden (like the original) or in Taiwan.

Hang on. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater here. I'm not trying to reinitiate the whole starmate ricasso controversy.

What I wanted to say was that I'm OK with non-nested liners, Teflon washers, and VG-10 steel. As long as the essence of the C15 is preserved and brought back into production I'm happy. But sure, I'd be happier if Taiwan took a crack at at it and gave it some S30V and their magic treatment.

Either way I see a lot of new experimental stuff come and go out of the lineup, and I think "why not reissue one of the classics? It can't do any worse than some of the other experimental stuff we've seen recently".

-nate

[DeathBySnooSnoo]

Hang on. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater here. I'm not trying to reinitiate the whole starmate ricasso controversy.

What I wanted to say was that I'm OK with non-nested liners, Teflon washers, and VG-10 steel. As long as the essence of the C15 is preserved and brought back into production I'm happy. But sure, I'd be happier if Taiwan took a crack at at it and gave it some S30V and their magic treatment.

Either way I see a lot of new experimental stuff come and go out of the lineup, and I think "why not reissue one of the classics? It can't do any worse than some of the other experimental stuff we've seen recently".

-nate

I'd be ok with the materials....just not the execution that we've seen in those 2 models.
I'd personally love to see it in some old school 440V...but that isn't going to happen.
I'd actually like it best is CPM 154...

[ourgon]

Another point - I like in PM2 or in old Golden Starmate that liners are hidden in G-10 [in fact, old Starmate has only one liner with liner lock, like in old Military]. In new Starmate liners are too fat and exposed like in cheap Tenacious. That would be nice, if C15 will be revived, to see hidden liners like in PM2.

Problem with Japan manufacture - they can't make grind like this.

[PSquared]

I'm in for a re-issue of the C15 for sure but am probably one of the few that prefers the Japanese models to the Taiwanese models. I fixed my new issue Starmate's ricasso and removed the lanyard piping - problems solved. I'm not suggesting that I was pleased to have to do it but It's done and I am very happy with it. The Double Bevel's grind was the first of my Japanese Spydercos that had grind issues with and it was nothing that a bit of time on the Edge Pro didn't fix. I spent substantially more time on my Techno and about the same amount of time on my Hungarian. Out of the 7 or 8 Taiwan models I have, there have been more issues than on the 40 or 50 Japanese models (G Sakai and Moki) I have. I say stick to the Japanese makers on this one.

Specifically on the C15 re-issue I'd say change as little as possible in the design to cater for modern manufacturing, move the clip to a deeper carry, plain edge VG10 and it's good to go. I'd be just as happy if they slotted a C15 type blade in the existing Double Bevel handle.

[RadioactiveSpyder]

I agree, while I like the design (and Bob T.'s other early examples), but the action is not crisp and fluid like this century's Spydercos. It needs a good amount of QI to match the current Japan, Golden, Italy and especially Taichung offerings IMHO.

[phillipsted]

To date, my original C15 BobT model may be the single smoothest Spydie I have ever owned. Part of this was due to the novelty of the teflon washers in the early 1990s, but they still feel like no other Spydie in my collection.

One of the characteristics that Sal will need to concentrate on with a Sprint/reissue is weight. The original was a minimalist design that kept parts and weight to a minimum. The single solid un-nested steel liner also houses the liner lock. And, as I mentioned, the single flat-top screws penetrate the scale, spacer, liner, and thread into the opposing scale. Elegant and simple, but, as I mentioned, not really compatible with today's manufacturing processes...

Personally, I'd love to see a G10 model with a perforated stainless liner - maybe in some other color besides black. Plain edge would be preferred in VG-10. This should keep prices down to a reasonable level...

Just my $0.02.

TedP

[ourgon]

What do you think about Japan version but only if it will be Super Blue steel, not laminate? And Dark green G-10.

[SpyderNut]

What do you think about Japan version but only if it will be Super Blue steel, not laminate? And Dark green G-10.

To be honest, I'd rather see it offered in ATS-34 (like the original) and polished black G-10 (think Des Horn). I love nested liners, but I suspect it would probably be easier and less expensive to do without. Again, I think the more it's kept to the original specs, the better. Might have a few upgrades, but a basic re-build would be super nice.

[ourgon]

Nobody use now ATS-34 in production knives. But 154CM sounds good.

[scout]

For me, the clip to hole distance is perfect. I think that moving it is a mistake. I would much prefer adding an addition set of holes for those who are deep carry guys. I don't think I've ever seen that done before.