Customer feedback, assuming its welcome.

[Teddy Thompson]

On the Urban and the UKPK, the G-10 is doing all the work (no liners).

That's two exceptions. I'd say that still leaves a lot of potential candidates. Has to be somewhere around half of Spyderco's current lineup can be had in G-10 or CF.

[hunterseeker5]

Now that I think about it I have another thing to add. I did a little quick research and didn't come up with anything, so I'll mention it: has anyone considered sprint runs of the military and/or paramilitary in CPM 3v? Would that be something others would want to buy?

[JNewell]

Now that I think about it I have another thing to add. I did a little quick research and didn't come up with anything, so I'll mention it: has anyone considered sprint runs of the military and/or paramilitary in CPM 3v? Would that be something others would want to buy?

I thought that was what Ed Schempp said the Tuff was going to come out with? I could be wrong; will search. I would have thought that the primary benefit of 3V (or at least what I think of as its primary benefit, which is impact resistance) would be somewhat lost on a folder.

[JNewell]

Here (first quote below) is your answer.

The steel will be 3V.

The fuller stiffens and lightens the blade, not stronger just more rigid. The fuller is also handy for using, manipulating, and opening the blade.

This is the first factory prototype. There are several major changes that will be made. This knife isn't at the photo stage and got reviewed by mistake. This is my attempt to bring an extremely hard use design to market, and it is not quite ready.

Sorry about not having even a clue about how long it will take to get it right.

The Tuff contractor makes a very good highly precise knife, it will be worth the wait to get it right. I made the prototype 7 years ago, I'd like to see the knife come to market, but not until it is right and lives up to it's name...Take Care...Ed

Now that I think about it I have another thing to add. I did a little quick research and didn't come up with anything, so I'll mention it: has anyone considered sprint runs of the military and/or paramilitary in CPM 3v? Would that be something others would want to buy?

[JNewell]

Here is more info and a pic from another thread of Mr. Blonde's:

I do believe it’s been about 7 years when I first saw the Tuff concept model, it looked promising but the concept model had always been fairly ‘rough’. This prototype looks pretty well finished to me.

I like the spiky scale with the Reeve Integral Lock, it’s grippy but didn’t seem too sharp. It didn’t seem likely to rip open my hand or anything. It’s big and massive. The fuller looks really cool, and I’m quite anxious to try it out, see how it cuts. The Tuff also makes me want to do overstrikes and spinewhacks; I’m curious just how tough this knife is. I have one major complaint though, the jimping on the spine and inside the choil is –to me- simply too smooth. It doesn’t match up with the grippy G10 scale and the spiked back plate. The knife screams ‘hard use’ folder, and it seems logical to me that you want it to stick to your hand. The jimping is an important interface with the hand. Why not make the jimping nice and deep, like on the Paramilitary 2 for example?

[hunterseeker5]

I thought that was what Ed Schempp said the Tuff was going to come out with? I could be wrong; will search. I would have thought that the primary benefit of 3V (or at least what I think of as its primary benefit, which is impact resistance) would be somewhat lost on a folder.

3V is special because it has incredible toughness while maintaining excellent wear resistance. If you look around you'll find a small but extremely devout group who use their knives hard and love 3V's performance in them. To say that the military wouldn't benefit some users for having a 3V blade would be to both ignore the number of people who have broken their millitarys, both broken tips/blades and damaged the edges, as well as, I believe, selling the design short. I think the military's handle is actually quite strong, and have used mine to do all manner of things including chopping down small trees.

[JNewell]

3V is special because it has incredible toughness while maintaining excellent wear resistance. If you look around you'll find a small but extremely devout group who use their knives hard and love 3V's performance in them. To say that the military wouldn't benefit some users for having a 3V blade would be to both ignore the number of people who have broken their millitarys, both broken tips/blades and damaged the edges, as well as, I believe, selling the design short. I think the military's handle is actually quite strong, and have used mine to do all manner of things including chopping down small trees.

Pretty sure 3V won't effect some magical change in the strength of the tip of the Military. It is a very thin, fine tip, regardless of what material is used for the blade.

[hunterseeker5]

Pretty sure 3V won't effect some magical change in the strength of the tip of the Military. It is a very thin, fine tip, regardless of what material is used for the blade.

It certainly won't convert it into a blunted stunted strider, but based on my experience with 3V it would be a significant improvement. There are three stages to failure: first there is flexing to the point where the blade will flex back. Next there is flexing beyond that point to the point where the knife is left permanently deformed. Third and finally there is breakdown on a macro scale, also known as chipping or breaking. With an S30V blade and a spyderco heat treat there isn't much warning from the first to the third. With 3V in the heat treats I've seen the first stage is much further expanded, so aside from increased toughness you also get more warning. Here is my thinking on the subject: we've reached the point of edge retention where I feel my knife doesn't have any particular problem staying sharp. I would rather sacrifice a little wear resistance to gain a lot of toughness. If thats not you then this steel is certainly not for you.

[JNewell]

On the contrary, I love my 3V Liten Bror. For steel in a Military, my uses are better served by choices like M4, S90V or (here's a suggestion) S110V.

It certainly won't convert it into a blunted stunted strider, but based on my experience with 3V it would be a significant improvement. There are three stages to failure: first there is flexing to the point where the blade will flex back. Next there is flexing beyond that point to the point where the knife is left permanently deformed. Third and finally there is breakdown on a macro scale, also known as chipping or breaking. With an S30V blade and a spyderco heat treat there isn't much warning from the first to the third. With 3V in the heat treats I've seen the first stage is much further expanded, so aside from increased toughness you also get more warning. Here is my thinking on the subject: we've reached the point of edge retention where I feel my knife doesn't have any particular problem staying sharp. I would rather sacrifice a little wear resistance to gain a lot of toughness. If thats not you then this steel is certainly not for you.

[mobi]

Hunterseeker i agree with you about the knife in hand idea , my first and only spyder for many a year was the police i never handled anything that felt better in hand until i got hold of the persian so now i am back to the looking around for something "better" than that....no luck so far :) but i will keep on trying.

[hunterseeker5]

On the contrary, I love my 3V Liten Bror. For steel in a Military, my uses are better served by choices like M4, S90V or (here's a suggestion) S110V.

F*ck it. I'd love to see another military run in any and all of those steels, and maybe I'd even be able to get my hands on one of them this time. I'd buy all of them as a package deal. My point though is that in the complex multifaceted world we live in would there not be interest in alternate steel choices to enhance different characteristics? I know I'd pick up a different military depending on the day and what I intended to do.

Actually to that point I know Southard does sublime regrinds. I wonder if he'd go so far as to do whole custom blades? :P Perhaps that is going a bit too far.

[JNewell]

F*ck it.

Which?

[hunterseeker5]

Huh? I was perhaps crudely showing enthusiasm. I'd take any of the aforementioned steels, although if you made me pick from your list I might take s110v simply because its not been done yet. *shrug* I see a lot of requests for different exotic steels like this, and without anyone else really supporting this particular request it'll probably just die right here like most of them do.

[The Deacon]

I see a lot of requests for different exotic steels like this, and without anyone else really supporting this particular request it'll probably just die right here like most of them do.

Perhaps it's a case of there being just too many exotic steels out there for Spyderco to honor all requests. Perhaps some of them may not be feasible for Spyderco to use, either because they're just too expensive, cannot be purchased in the form/quantity needed, or are simply too difficult to work with in a production environment.

That said, it never hurts to ask. Heck, I've been pushing for Odin's Eye Damasteel for years. That's my idea of an "exotic" steel, as opposed to all the boringly monochromatic ones with the alphanumeric names. :p

[JNewell]

Huh? I was perhaps crudely showing enthusiasm. I'd take any of the aforementioned steels, although if you made me pick from your list I might take s110v simply because its not been done yet. *shrug* I see a lot of requests for different exotic steels like this, and without anyone else really supporting this particular request it'll probably just die right here like most of them do.

Ahh, got it. And, totally agree. I hope you're wrong about the last comment - one of the most impressive things about Spyderco is their willingness to bring less-used steels to production knives. It probably doesn't maximize corporate profits, but it sure is great for users. :) :spyder: