Red Persian sprint quantity

The Deacon · #21

It's a difficult balancing act for Spyderco. Many, if not all, of the Sprint runs appeal primarily to collectors and collectors, in general, value rarity. That means collector interest is often inversely proportional to quantity produced which, in turn, means making larger runs can be counterproductive for Spyderco. Make 600 and they're gone in a week, may 1200 and enough may have to be closed out at fire sale prices to make the whole run unprofitable. Too many unprofitable runs and the chances of any more Sprints would evaporate. I give Sal, and Spyderco in general, a lot of respect for catering to our whims, and taking as many risks as they must take in doing so.

Perry · #22

Any chance you could mention the dealer's name so we can avoid them? If you don't want to post it publicly could you send me a PM?

I would never do business with them again.

Fred Sanford · #23

I agree with markg.

I'm pretty pissed about the Red Persian thing. I wanted to buy one. Usually street price is about 60% which would be about $139. That's cool. I'd be happy to pay that. However there are certain folks (most of them) that are getting them and putting them up on ebay and making $200+ for them. Come on. I understand supply and demand but that's just plain greed.

I'm so tired of the crap.

Same with with the Matriarch.

It's getting old fast. I guess I have to be made of money or just have tons of money lying in wait for "specific knives" and just be willing to pay like crazy for them.

Yeah, and there is now a certain ebay seller / dealer that I will never deal with again.

jabba359 · #24

David Lowry wrote:I agree with markg.

I'm pretty pissed about the Red Persian thing. I wanted to buy one. Usually street price is about 60% which would be about $139. That's cool. I'd be happy to pay that.

PM sent.

bh49 · #25

MCM wrote:700 is a good sized run.
Am sure they will be selling on e-bay in the $140-150 range once the initial hoopla dies down. (If your regular dealer does not have any spares)
1st one on the bay sold for $163 I think.
Should go down from there as more dealers get them in stock........
If you want one today, you should be able to find one at a decent price over the next week or two.

Just my opinion.........

David Lowry wrote: I'm pretty pissed about the Red Persian thing. I wanted to buy one. Usually street price is about 60% which would be about $139. That's cool. I'd be happy to pay that. However there are certain folks (most of them) that are getting them and putting them up on ebay and making $200+ for them.

I am with Mark. I can be wrong but when most of the dealer will get them price even on e-bay should settle. Probably the two hottest sprints, which I remember were original blue ZDP Delica and ZDP Lum Chinese. Prices went up like crazy, but later settle around 60-65% of MSRP.

Pinetreebbs · #26

If you have something for which I am willing to pay $100 but someone else is willing to pay $150 what would you do to feed your family and pay the bills? Would you be happier if all Spyderco knives were 'fair traded' at full MSRP? I know I would not. I love to bargain hunt, but when it comes to a sprint run I like, I am willing to pay an extra $20 or $30. Shrug.

markg · #27

However if I was on a pre-order list with a dealer, and now I am out because they did not get enough to fill my order... Do I wait to see if they get more? So I have to hang around and wait, or do I go get one someplace else and stick it to a reputable dealer making more work and hassle for them?

It really should not be this hard.

The Deacon · #28

Pinetreebbs wrote:If you have something for which I am willing to pay $100 but someone else is willing to pay $150 what would you do to feed your family and pay the bills?

I don't have no problem with that.

I don't have a problem with a dealer not accepting pre-orders, for whatever reason.

I don't have a problem with a dealer letting the market decide what "his" knives are worth on eBay.

I don't have a problem with a dealer accepting pre-orders for more knives than he can realistically expect to receive, as long as he let's me know up front that I'm #28 on his list and he will be pleasantly surprised if he gets more than 10.

What I most definitely do have a problem with is a dealer accepting pre-orders for a "limited issue" item that there was every indication would be a "hot seller" at a price he set, then reneging on that commitment to everyone on his list in the hopes of making a larger profit.

FWIW, I have an equal problem with buyers placing pre-orders with a dozen different dealers then backing out of all but one or two.

Pinetreebbs · #29

The Deacon wrote:I don't have no problem with that.

What I most definitely do have a problem with is a dealer accepting pre-orders for a "limited issue" item that there was every indication would be a "hot seller" at a price he set, then reneging on that commitment to everyone on his list in the hopes of making a larger profit.

FWIW, I have an equal problem with buyers placing pre-orders with a dozen different dealers then backing out of all but one or two.

I agree on the pre-orders, I was left holding an empty order for the Blue Manix at a point when auction prices were going through the roof. I had to pass that model.

I also agree on following through with a pre-order, you asked for it, when it arrives you pay. People need to realize business must make a profit, they cannot absorb an endless stream of excess stock, extra picky buyers etc. :spyder:

markg · #30

The Deacon wrote:I don't have no problem with that.

I don't have a problem with a dealer not accepting pre-orders, for whatever reason.

I don't have a problem with a dealer letting the market decide what "his" knives are worth on eBay.

I don't have a problem with a dealer accepting pre-orders for more knives than he can realistically expect to receive, as long as he let's me know up front that I'm #28 on his list and he will be pleasantly surprised if he gets more than 10.

What I most definitely do have a problem with is a dealer accepting pre-orders for a "limited issue" item that there was every indication would be a "hot seller" at a price he set, then reneging on that commitment to everyone on his list in the hopes of making a larger profit.

FWIW, I have an equal problem with buyers placing pre-orders with a dozen different dealers then backing out of all but one or two.

I would have to agree with those points.

Grisle · #31

Anyone got their email from Spydietalk?

J32A2 · #32

Negative.

gbelleh · #33

Just got the email from spydietalk! Says it shipped today! Woohoo!

Pharmagator · #34

I got my email from SpydieTalk this evening too!

Hooray!

jabba359 · #35

Grrr.... he didn't send me an email...

Grisle · #36

Glad to hear some of you got your emails...I'm just a little bummed I haven't received mine yet.

markg · #37

Looks like mine fell through on this one. Guess I will hang out till the G-10 version.

bh49 · #38

markg wrote:Looks like mine fell through on this one. Guess I will hang out till the G-10 version.

Mark,
It is too early to give up.
Check PM.
Roman

Joe Internet · #39

I think the answer is to out the dealers (in general, not necessarily here), good or bad. When they know that their business practices will have consequences, they'll be more likely to ammend them as appropriate.

I hope the G-10 Persian makes it into a production cycle. It looks like it would be an awesome EDC knife, especially for fishing & hunting use.

HotSoup · #40

Joe Internet wrote:I think the answer is to out the dealers (in general, not necessarily here), good or bad. When they know that their business practices will have consequences, they'll be more likely to ammend them as appropriate.

I hope the G-10 Persian makes it into a production cycle. It looks like it would be an awesome EDC knife, especially for fishing & hunting use.

The G-10 bolsterless Persian with FFG blade will be coming out later this year, apparently.

I think it will be a production model, if not, a limited run, but there will be a lot more available than the Red Persian.