That is an interesting theory. I think that it has a lot to do with the type of spydie and the size of the person's hand. I have large hands with long fingers. I have a Lava, Saver Salt and a Para-Military. I can open the Para and Lava much faster with the thumbhole then with inertia, but with my Saver Salt I need to flick it open if I want to open it fast. I think that the reason is that the Para and Lava have the hole and the handle set up so that while holding the two knives my thumb can make a perfect arc while pushing on the spydie hole, for some reason the Saver Salt has a slightly different distance from the handle to the spydie hole, because my thumb can't do that arc while tightly holding the handle. So it feels natural for me to open the Para and Lava with the spydie hole, however the Saver Salt doesn't feel the same way to me. In a SD situation I would worry about the blade fully opening and locking with an inertia opening.
Dr. Snubnose wrote:Just a side note here: Inertia opening is a good skill to acquire, specially if we are talking SD. While there is nothing wrong with using the Spyderco Knife Hole as intended (to open your knife), unless you practice it (like any other skill) in a situation which requires you to take defensive action quickly, using the hole or even the Spyderdrop technique is a fine motor skill. When an individual is under pressure to secure a defensive weapon, there is a tendency to lose fine motor skills under stress. Countless times in my classes students while under a simulated aggressive attack, most of the time cannot even access a folding knife let alone open it using the device intended to do so. So many times the knife just goes flying off into thin air. This is where a fixed blade knife really shines. Nothing to open, draw and use as required. No matter how much you practice using the Spyder Hole, No matter how much you practice drawing your folder from a concealed carry position, while under stress, the tasks of deploying your folding knife gets harder and harder. Even if you create space between you and your opponent with empty hand skills giving you the opportunity to access your defensive tool, using the spyder hole to ready your knife for action, might become an impossible task. On the other hand an Inertia opening is a gross motor skill, it is fast and reliable if you choose to put in the practice time. Sure If I'm breaking down cardboard boxes, cutting threads off my clothing or doing everyday chores with my knife or I am in the presence of others I use the spyder hole to open it. Though I do carry folders for their ease of concealment, if put in a situation where I need to access my knife quickly for defensive purposes I always find myself reaching for my fixed blades. If you carry a folder for SD my advice to you would be to practice the inertia opening. I know a lot of people out there might disagree with my logic here and say to themselves...I have been opening my spyderco using the hole for years and I can do it very quickly, and I'm assured that I would be able to do so if someone violently attacked me. I would say to them: Have you ever tried it in a defensive situation while under extreme stress? If your answer is no, then have a friend or training partner simulate a violent attack directed at you (mind you do it safely, you might consider using a trainer for this exercise) and see for yourself what the results would be....try it a few times....after the experience I think you will come around to my way of thinking about inertia openings vs spyderhole openings...you might even begin to think it's better to carry one of the fine fixed blades made by spyderco for defensive purposes in addition to your folder....Be safe...Doc :D
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I've heard STR talk about seeing lots of damage from flicking hard. I NEVER flick my knives open as a general rule. I just don't want to cause any damage.
Brett
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I've opened my knives with a flick and have not noticed excessive wear but I do not open them harder than needed given the blade weight and pivot tightness. It certainly is a learned skill. The Lil'Temp is great for this method of opening. Lock backs have have a very different feel tha compression locks.
Repeatedly flicking my Manix open with a bit of force has caused it to develop a bit of vertical blade play. Oh, well. It's a big, heavy blade smacking that lockbar each time it's opened.
I couldn't help it. It makes such an authoritative clack! when it's flicked open!
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SimpleIsGood229 wrote:Repeatedly flicking my Manix open with a bit of force has caused it to develop a bit of vertical blade play. Oh, well. It's a big, heavy blade smacking that lockbar each time it's opened.
I couldn't help it. It makes such an authoritative clack! when it's flicked open!
Fixed when you tighten down the (now) loose lockbar...I've done that many times.
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SimpleIsGood229 wrote:Repeatedly flicking my Manix open with a bit of force has caused it to develop a bit of vertical blade play. Oh, well. It's a big, heavy blade smacking that lockbar each time it's opened.
I couldn't help it. It makes such an authoritative clack! when it's flicked open!
Clack? OMG! The correct text equivelent of the sound of my Mini Manix is CLACK!!! A bigger font would be justified along with the all caps.
I would personally vote for a knife that opened without any sound at all but that wouldn't sound (not sound?) nearly as cool.
I followed cyberspyder's advice, and whattaya know, it worked! I had to tinker with the two screws a bit, but the whole action even feels better now. Thanks!
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That is the only thing I dislike about the Millies. They are loud! I don't like for people to go :eek: when I open the knife, specially for sd. I don't want them to hear or see anything.
Shike wrote:That is the only thing I dislike about the Millies. They are loud! I don't like for people to go :eek: when I open the knife, specially for sd. I don't want them to hear or see anything.
Shike
Well if it's for SD, there's a good chance that someone is going to hear or see something, like a struggle... Unless you're talking about sneaking up on someone and shanking them, in which case they won't see anything if you're sneaky.
Shike wrote:That is the only thing I dislike about the Millies. They are loud! I don't like for people to go :eek: when I open the knife, specially for sd. I don't want them to hear or see anything.
Shike
The ideal self defense knife would make the sound of a Remington 12g pump racking a round into the chamber. :eek:
I've been messing around doing this with my ATR for a couple months but just when I am playing with my knive. Works pretty well with the larger blade. I just signed up for a photobucket account so this is my first test with a link, Hope it works. It's a little fast and taken with my Nikon Coolpix 3100 which is a little over 5 years old so no sound.
