What happend to "Black Talon" rounds?
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Bill Burns
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Remington Golden Saber rounds are pretty good too and is what my agency issues. The Speer Gold Dot is an interesting round, since the jacket is actually plated onto the round. I had an opportunity to observe some ballistic testing of the Gold Dot. When fired through glass, every round shed the core, except the Gold Dot. IMHO, generally any hollowpoint round will do...but it is where you hit that is more important than what you hit it with.
Many thanx for the opinions, luckily Ive found out that Black Talons, or Rangers as they are now called are still available to the public in South Africa, unfortunately due to idiotic media they been pulled from you guys.
Personally my belief is this, if some1s trying to kill me, and i shoot in defense, i dont want him getting up in the near to distant future.
Thats my reason for the .45 rounds
Thanx again guys
MaNcEr
It's Time To Kick @$$ 'N Chew Bubble Gum
Personally my belief is this, if some1s trying to kill me, and i shoot in defense, i dont want him getting up in the near to distant future.
Thats my reason for the .45 rounds
Thanx again guys
MaNcEr
It's Time To Kick @$$ 'N Chew Bubble Gum
South Africa. Aren't you guys also allowed to have remote control mace sprayers in the dash and self-defense flame throwers that shoot out the side of the car from under the doors to prevent carjackings?
Not being accusing, just pointing out that different countries have different standards on what's acceptable. There are many people here in the US, and probably some in SA, that think guns can have no good consequences, and it's only that pesky 2nd Amendment that keeps the violent crime rate so high. Then there are others who think that the only way they can resolve a conflict is to empty a clip into the other guy. My opinion is that if you feel that's what you need in order to defend yourself, you should be able to carry it, but if you are using lethal force as anything other than the very last resort to protect your life or those around you, you are making a mistake, and at that point you are commiting a crime.
I don't hold with fragmenting bullets. Too much damage. A handgun, IMO, should be used to stop an attacker, not solely to kill him. A .357 or 9mm hollow-point will bring down most assailants, and a .45 will take down a 300-lb. weightlifter who's on PCP and heroin. Fragmenting, exploding, and soft-body bullets are overkill. When a gun is fired, somebody's going to answer for it, and if your assailant dies after you shoot him, that somebody will probably be you.
*steps down off soap box*
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Not being accusing, just pointing out that different countries have different standards on what's acceptable. There are many people here in the US, and probably some in SA, that think guns can have no good consequences, and it's only that pesky 2nd Amendment that keeps the violent crime rate so high. Then there are others who think that the only way they can resolve a conflict is to empty a clip into the other guy. My opinion is that if you feel that's what you need in order to defend yourself, you should be able to carry it, but if you are using lethal force as anything other than the very last resort to protect your life or those around you, you are making a mistake, and at that point you are commiting a crime.
I don't hold with fragmenting bullets. Too much damage. A handgun, IMO, should be used to stop an attacker, not solely to kill him. A .357 or 9mm hollow-point will bring down most assailants, and a .45 will take down a 300-lb. weightlifter who's on PCP and heroin. Fragmenting, exploding, and soft-body bullets are overkill. When a gun is fired, somebody's going to answer for it, and if your assailant dies after you shoot him, that somebody will probably be you.
*steps down off soap box*
Wise man say, forgiveness is divine. Remember that when your <img src="http://www.spyderco.com/forum/spyder.gif" border=0> bites you!
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Hoosierdaddy
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Liko,
You always shoot to "stop" an attacker not to kill. Death is an unfortunate by product of shooting someone.
The .357 Magnum is quite a potent round, although you may have been refering to .357 Sig. The Magnum actually has better stopping power than .45 A.C.P., so if you were to go up against a "heavy" attacker choose the Magnum. I myself don't care much for 9mm, and would not catogorize it with the .357 Mag. Pope John Paul II was shot 3 times with a 9mm (two in the stomach and one in the wrist) clearly where he was "big" and survived to pray another day. Divine intervention ? Maybe. Some people think 9mm is adequate, I think their wrong! Enough about the 9mm bashing.
You always shoot to "stop" an attacker not to kill. Death is an unfortunate by product of shooting someone.
The .357 Magnum is quite a potent round, although you may have been refering to .357 Sig. The Magnum actually has better stopping power than .45 A.C.P., so if you were to go up against a "heavy" attacker choose the Magnum. I myself don't care much for 9mm, and would not catogorize it with the .357 Mag. Pope John Paul II was shot 3 times with a 9mm (two in the stomach and one in the wrist) clearly where he was "big" and survived to pray another day. Divine intervention ? Maybe. Some people think 9mm is adequate, I think their wrong! Enough about the 9mm bashing.
yes indeed we do have that wonderful blaster (flamer) invention (www.blaster.co.za) and I infact will be purchasing it A.S.A.P for my car.
The fact nowdays is this.
2 years ago cars where been hijacked for the cars, now it seems to have moved on to the standard of hijacking to kill the occupant and then having the car as a bonus.
If you are drawn on by some thug, and his @$$ is flamed, will you really pitty the b@stard?
I think not, give him a taste of whats to come
MaNcEr
It's Time To Kick @$$ 'N Chew Bubble Gum
The fact nowdays is this.
2 years ago cars where been hijacked for the cars, now it seems to have moved on to the standard of hijacking to kill the occupant and then having the car as a bonus.
If you are drawn on by some thug, and his @$$ is flamed, will you really pitty the b@stard?
I think not, give him a taste of whats to come
MaNcEr
It's Time To Kick @$$ 'N Chew Bubble Gum