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I've had this name this screen name since I was 10. I'm 20 now and I don't plan on changing it because it's immature.

"You may just be very surprised how easily you can be cold forever with a small folder and one who knows how to use it to it's full advantage against another."

So you want to fight other people skilled in the art of the ninja pocket knife?

"Before you jump to the conclusion that Mr. Janich is a stranger to firearms, do two things."

I haven't even mentioned his name. How can I jump to conclusions about a person without saying their name?

"Do you honestly believe that you, carrying a gun could access that gun in time once you were being robbed at knife point or gun point to stop the action of the perp? I hope not as that would show us here that you hold the gun as some cure all to crime being stopped an the answer to all your potential needs. "

If I'm being robbed at gun point, I'm going to give them my money. If I'm being robbed with a knife I'll run. I don't let anyone get close enough to me to where they can stick it to my throat.

I don't walk the streets. I'm not a hoodlum and I'm not a cop. I honestly don't get in many situations where I have a high chance of getting mugged, stabbed, shot, raped, murdered, or anything of that nature.

It's not hard to cut someone. I'm sure most of the MBC stuff is counters and grabs that involve you cutting them.

I apologize if I've offended you people by using the word ninja.

I'm not going to fight someone face to face if I plan on causing them serious harm. I'm going to fight unfairly. If you think this is dishonorable, you are a super ninja.

I asked you people a simple question and you tried to sell me something. Most of the opinions you give are biased.

No matter what you say, you are still playing ninja with a pocket knife. There's nothing wrong with it, you get a good workout, it might come in use, and it makes you feel safer. But, if the average person saw you practicing, they would think you were playing ninja with a pocket knife. People like ninjas. I like ninja movies.

Legality of shooting a mugger? I don't care. I'll risk going to jail to protect my life and my property. In fact going to jail is not an option.

I know a guy who shot two muggers dead. He was shot too. He didn't even spend a night in jail. It happened in Nevada. There are a million scenarios. I've said several times that you don't have to shoot someone to solve the problem. You people act like I'd just blow someone's head off for looking at me funny.

I don't like cops. A lot of them don't do their jobs very well. A lot of them spend more time collecting taxes than helping people. A lot of them arrest people for crimes that have no victims. In fact I worry about being harassed by cops more than I've ever worried about criminals. There are exceptions, but VERY few.

"I've had this name this screen name since I was 10. I'm 20 now and I don't plan on changing it because it's immature."

Thank you for confirming you have had the same screen name for ten years. I no longer take your comments about firearms seriously. Legally buying and carrying a firearm requires passing a background check.

I did an Internet search and came up with an interesting post by someone with the same screen name and e-mail address as skcusloa. The inattention to spelling, punctuation and proper grammar has an all too familiar look.

Forum members might want to check out this URL:

Qship

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Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 04:07 pm
I just wanna talk to everyone I can about this.
We were walking away from a friends house to the car that was a block and a half away. We got to the car and just sat down and a cop turned the corner with it's lights on. They took our liscences and checked us out. Then they got the driver out and asked him what he was doing and he said something about walking down the street from the laundromat(I didn't hear this at the time) then they got me out and I told him we were coming from a friends house. Then they searched me.

I got busted with 3 pain pills and some weed and a small brass pipe. My bond was set at 1000 dollars for the pain pills only and no bond for the other charges. My friend got busted with me and he had more but nothing else. He's got more money than me and his lawyer says we're gonna plead guilty get probation, possible fines and it would eventually dissapear. I have no problem with that. I just don't have a lawyer. I don't know wether to plead guilty or no contest. I was never read my rights if that matters. The lady at the jail said don't worry and about the same thing my friends lawyer said. I just don't wanna have to pay the lawyer a couple grand and then get fines. It'll take me forever to pay it off.
This is exactly how it happened. I recently went to court to get another court date set. My discovery hearing is on the 8th and the judge said I HAVE to get a lawyer. I'm a college student living with my parents and I only have a little bit of money. Is there anyway I can avoid court legally? Is there anyway to get a lawyer if you made bail?
Things that might help me: I am a veteran, this is my first offense ever, and I'm poor.
Please email me: skcusloa@hotmail.com <mailto:skcusloa@hotmail.com>


Edited by - qship on 5/20/2004 2:22:15 PM

A few points:
1. Handgun gunshot wounds are not always deadly, and do not always immediately incapacitate the attacker. I know, literally, scores of people with bullet scars who were not killed (obviously), and who were not stopped at the time of their shooting. In short, handguns suck at stopping bad guys a good percentage of the time. SHOT PLACEMENT is paramount.

2. It takes time to deploy a handgun. At close quarters range, a person with a knife can often stab a person who is trying to access a firearm.

3. Knives are at least as lethal as firearms at close quarters when deployed correctly. I know our mission is not to kill the bad guy, but to incapacitate him. However, many wounds that incapacitate also happen to kill, as well.

Don't take this as if I'm anti-gun; I fully support folks arming themselves for protection.

As for my training, I've been shooting for the past 30 years (since I was five yrs. old).

I'm a former sniper, emergency response team member, and have trained with my department's hostage rescue team. I have a large amount of practical experience dealing with hostilities and surviving in environments in which people do not wish for me to survive.

In a self-defense situation, I'd hope that I have both a knife AND a firearm with which to protect myself. I like options.

And, in all fairness, I don't think anyone here is trying to be a pocket-knife ninja (at least, that's my opinion).

I might not agree with everything that's said here, but I think intentions are well-meant, and the basis is good.

In a real self-defense situation with a knife, here's how it goes down:
One party gets the drop on the other. He proceeds to stab the living******out of the victim. End of story. That's how 90% of them go down.

"He who hits first wins"! Remember that! You may see it again.

Use angle and direction, and distance to get away from your attacker. I've used it...it works! It saved my life at least twice, possibly three times. USE IT!

I've seen, up close and personal, a person with life-threatening injuries, and he didn't even know he was stabbed for about thirty seconds! What tipped him off was when his lungs began filling with blood, and he ran out of breath. His will kept him fighting, but his body eventually stopped him. Incapacitation.

Another man, also up close and personal, was stabbed multiple times. Mortally wounded,he tried to keep fighting. His body stopped him when the blood pressure dropped too low to continue. He expired shortly after. Incapacitation.

Not everyone is afraid of a knife or a gun. You'll see this again.

How effective are firearms? I personally know a man who was shot with a .357 Magnum (you know, the #1 manstopper) in the back. The .357 bullet ended up lodged underneath his left cheekbone, having traveled up his neck. He did not cease his hostilities, nor did he feel any great amount of pain. He still has the scar where they cut the bullet out of his cheek. During the same incident, he was also hit in the hand by a .45 ACP, with little effect.

I know another man who was shot twice in the head with a .380 ACP, that had no effect. You can still see where the bullets impacted his skull. He was also shot underneath the jaw, in the fleshy part of the throat, and the round ended up in his mouth, after having traveled through his tongue. Again, not many ill effects; he spit the bullet out!

THIS, people, is why I keep telling you that a cut here and a cut there MIGHT not be sufficient to stop a bloodthirsty attacker from killing you. Sometimes, it boils down to a stabfest in which gross motor skills are used to simply stab your attacker more times than he's trying to stab you. I've seen this take place, and it's **** scary.
Okay, I've tortured you enough....


Sniper -- One Shot, One Kill Email: ST8PEN01@aol.com

Good stuff from Brownie, Michael, and other responders to this thread. He who started this thread, well, did manage to stimulate some interesting dialogue. Look for the good in everything. <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>

Skcusloa,

The most left-out part of Janich's approach to teaching is his integration of Nike-Do into bladecraft. It's an obscure art, but a crucial one to pursue.

The reasons for using a knife for self-defense are myriad and having used a knife for self-defense in the past I can attest to the fact that martial blade craft has saved me from being both badly hurt and arrested afterwards. In one instance my palming of the knife along my forearm in reverse grip after pulling it on a masked fellow who was in the process of pulling his fixed blade with which to rob me, made the knife visible to him and invisible to the police who pulled up just in time to arrest two of his accomplises. My knife was quickly pocketed and two people faced weapons and attempted robbery charges while I was able to hold my head up high in a court that found them guilty of the despicable crime they had perpetrated on me, my sister and my girlfriend who thought our streets were safe at night. If I had used any other weapon the police would have seen it and I most likely would have been charged as well. I only wish they had caught the fellow who would have stabbed me had I not had the MBC training enough to beat him to the draw.

"Never once has my life been threatened, nor has the life of my friends been threatened by robbers or other nefarious blackguards."


The belief that you are safe because you have never been attacked is similar to the belief that you are immortal because you are still alive.

If there is no threat, whom do you suppose LEOs pursue, and prison guards contain?

In my case, a lad with a long, violent criminal record broke into my home and came into my bedroom. There was a Federal warrant out for his arrest, and the police were glad to get him. I was not very good, just better than he was, and I realized I might not be so lucky again. I decided to get better. Since my wife was next to me in bed, her safety was of greater concern than mine.

There are certainly other reasons. Ordinary military training, while good, is not the best that can be had. Anyone in the military, or who plans to be in the military, would be well advised to get the best training available -- simply as a matter of survival.

And, the threat recognition training that often goes with martial arts may keep one out of harm's way.

Analytically, we do a risk/benefit analysis, the same kind of analysis that prompts us to buy insurance.

Then, there is an over-riding philosophical issue. Some of us can not understand why anyone would deliberately choose to be defenseless. We believe we have an obligation to defend both ourselves and those close to us.

Qship

Mr. V, if we go by statistical probability, even a police officer will probably never have to shoot someone during an entire career, so why bother to learn to shoot, or even load the pistol? Well, statistical probability or not, "it" happened to me after nine years of wearing the badge. One local deputy had it happen twice in his career, and the two events were one week apart! OK, enough about law enforcement. How about private citizens? One woman living in a quite nice neighborhood had two home invasions approximately one year apart, and was quite glad to have her revolver handy. (I was the first responding officer both times.) If "your day" comes, do you want to be a sheep, or a warrior? Our relatively safe society makes it possible to choose, and probably live to a ripe old age either way. I would rather be prepared. I carry a rather extensive set of tools in my vehicle, and if on a long trip add more, because I want to be prepared. What usually happens is that my spare fluids, tools, and knives are used to help those less prepared.

Mr. V

You're welcome over at www.CSSDSC.com

Plenty of MBC'ers over there.

Steve
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Warriors choose pacifism; others are condemned to it.

"Mr. V"--

That's a catchy screen name.

Vince

Mr. V <as opposed to "mr. v">

Your first post was rather troll-ish, especially because it was your first post to this forum. If you are serious about wanting to learn defensive techniques I'd suggest going back to read the many excellent prior postings by Michael Janich and others here. You might also want to check out www.selfdefenseforums.com, but I'd advise you to do lots of reading on that particular forum before posting there, as they do not suffer fools gladly.

A last bit of unsolicited advice, if you are planning to continue posting here at Spyderco, you might want to consider a new user name to avoid confusion.

Best regards,

Argyll

P.S. I've been in law enforcement and a civilian, and the only times I've actually felt that I might need to defend myself have been as a civilian.

Qui non est hodie cras minus aptus erit -- Ovid (He who is not prepared today will be less so tomorrow)

edited to correct the usual typos

Edited by - Argyll on 6/13/2004 3:26:52 PM

Mr. V. Posted: No perps have tried to mug me; no *actual* self-defense issues have presented themselves.

As a result, I feel there is little or no REAL NEED to learn these self-defense techniques.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Stop for a moment, Mr. V, and ask yourself this question: Where do you think all the people whom corrections officers such as myself guard all day come from?

I'll give you a few clues:
1. They don't come from Mars.
2. Or Venus
3. Or Pluto
4. Or China
5. Or Russia

They come from the street, sir. From the same streets that you walk. Perhaps from your very neighborhood, or most definitely from a neighborhood where you either walk or drive through.

Here's another heads-up for you: When a bad guy is planning on robbing/mugging/assaulting/killing you, he's not going to send you an appointment card so you can wear your Sunday-best for the occasion.

He's going to surprise you! Will you be ready?????

Sniper -- One Shot, One Kill Email: ST8PEN01@aol.com

<<Never once has my life been threatened, nor has the life of my friends been threatened by robbers or other nefarious blackguards.

No perps have tried to mug me; no *actual* self-defense issues have presented themselves.

As a result, I feel there is little or no REAL NEED to learn these self-defense techniques.>>

Just a thought - I had never had a car accident until I was 21 years old. But, I dutifully wore my seat-belt every time I got into a car. I was certainly glad I did the day I was hit by another car.

If I ***knew*** I was going to be assaulted and have to defend myself on some particular day, I wouldn't leave the house.

Bad guys prey on people who they believe are unaware and unprepared.