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Re: Wildland Firefighters Knife
Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:30 am
by Fireman
I found the thickest gauge barbed wire I could find and the wire breaker notch could still break it in less than 5 seconds. I tried a variety of other wire fences with good results as well. Looking into the best ways to implement the notch.
Re: Wildland Firefighters Knife
Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:48 pm
by Fireman
Looking at the endura and PM2 in Wharncliffe blade I was thinking that it does not take much to custom mod or factory mod the discussed Wildland knife with the larger millie style handle with a sheep’s foot blade to a Wharnie.
Re: Wildland Firefighters Knife
Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 7:16 am
by Menipo
This topic has been inactive during almost one year. I don’t know if “no news good news” applies this time.
Is the WLFK still beings considered by Spyderco? It was decided that it is a no-go project?
Just curious…
Re: Wildland Firefighters Knife
Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 1:03 pm
by Fireman
Good things come to those that wait they say.
I am glad Spyderco would rather do it right and that takes time.
Re: Wildland Firefighters Knife
Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:39 pm
by Kissaki
Hi Fireman,
Since this thread has come back to life... In your research, you may already be aware of a French company named Wildsteer (
https://www.wildsteer.com/en/). If not, check out the WING Tactic. Interesting knife they make for GIGN that incorporates a unique wire cutter. Fred Perrin would likely have feedback on the utility of the design.
Best,
K
Re: Wildland Firefighters Knife
Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 4:41 pm
by Fireman
Thanks for sharing. I am drawn to the modified notch because of the KISS principle. I need to talk to some Australian wildland FFs. I think the wildland firefighters of Australia probably run into wire fences too with all their ranches.
Re: Wildland Firefighters Knife
Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 4:48 am
by Uief5
Hey just curious where this ended up going? Saw the thread a browsing for new knife suggestions. Im also in wildland fire, going into my fourth season as a fft2(though I do have a fft1 task book open finally). Just curious as after reading your ideas definitely seems like a good knife I would want on my line gear. Currently I have a para 3 as well as a gerber strongarm fixed blade I carry a lot. Where I work in the off-season, University of Idaho experimental forest, doesn’t do any medical but we do alot of prescribed burns as well as are a engine company for the state department of lands. Don’t recall doing any medical with the forest service over the summers I’ve worked for them either but who knows. Definitely would like an update!
Re: Wildland Firefighters Knife
Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 8:04 am
by Michael Janich
Dear Uief5:
Welcome to the Spyderco Forum and thank you for your service to the community.
Stay safe,
Mike
Re: Wildland Firefighters Knife
Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:26 pm
by Fireman
Uief5 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 4:48 am
Hey just curious where this ended up going? Saw the thread a browsing for new knife suggestions. Im also in wildland fire, going into my fourth season as a fft2(though I do have a fft1 task book open finally). Just curious as after reading your ideas definitely seems like a good knife I would want on my line gear. Currently I have a para 3 as well as a gerber strongarm fixed blade I carry a lot. Where I work in the off-season, University of Idaho experimental forest, doesn’t do any medical but we do alot of prescribed burns as well as are a engine company for the state department of lands. Don’t recall doing any medical with the forest service over the summers I’ve worked for them either but who knows. Definitely would like an update!
Thanks for posting. Can you post your experience with the notch feature?
Re: Wildland Firefighters Knife
Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 5:12 pm
by Uief5
Sure thing Fireman!
I was with Grangeville Helitack and one of the few people there also qualified as a helirappeler. I’m returning to them this coming season. I never tried the notch on a folder but on the gerber strong arm it works really well. I’ve got mine angled and on the spine of the blade about an inch above where the grip ends. I’ve used it a good bit in the off season as I now also am sort of responsible for running the family ranch. It works wonders but I would want a thick enough blade stock. If you’ve got any questions or just want to chat about anything feel free to reach out! That goes to anyone.
Re: Wildland Firefighters Knife
Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2022 12:33 am
by Wartstein
Uief5 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 4:48 am
Hey just curious where this ended up going?.....
I am not a fire fighter, but a Spydie that, as proposed, is light, features a long cutting edge and a wire cutter (in whatever way this would be implemented) could be interesting for many people beyond that profession.
For me it definitely would be! I am occasionally working for mountain huts/shelters, doing some basic maintenance, unloading supplies from helicopters and such things. I also have some training in stuff like rescuing people from car wrecks and the like.
All scenarios where such a knife would have its place, like it actually would as a general, versatile EDC (emergency and general) tool anyway...
Re: Wildland Firefighters Knife
Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2022 12:51 am
by sal
Thanx much for bringing this up again. We spoke with Fireman quite a bit a while back, but we were really busy and let it sit on a shelf. (More than a few designs sit on shelves due to too much going on). I think I'd like to pick it up again and make a prototype. We've done a number of drawings based on the Military Model, and Fireman's notch, but we didn't cut any steel.
sal
Re: Wildland Firefighters Knife
Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2022 2:39 am
by Fireman
I am still so grateful this knife will be done by the people of spyderco who have such passion and compassion. I know you have had a lot on your plate with the way the world the way has been lately. I will be happy to see some prototypes in hands of those who will be on the fires this year. Let’s cut some steel!
Excited to see what we come up with.
sal wrote: ↑Sat Mar 05, 2022 12:51 am
Thanx much for bringing this up again. We spoke with Fireman quite a bit a while back, but we were really busy and let it sit on a shelf. (More than a few designs sit on shelves due to too much going on). I think I'd like to pick it up again and make a prototype. We've done a number of drawings based on the Military Model, and Fireman's notch, but we didn't cut any steel.
sal
Re: Wildland Firefighters Knife
Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2022 4:23 am
by Uief5
**** yeah! Well I’m definitely going to be keeping my eye on this thread to see if this goes anywhere again. My experience is more helitack and helirappel than engine, so I have a slightly different standard for tools, but would definitely be interested in picking one up if they become a thing for some field trials. The notches angle makes all the difference for breaking barbed wire. I tested mine on my gerber strongarm just over the winter repairing fences on the family ranch. That ***** also works well for breaking or cutting webbing straps if it’s the right angle.
sal wrote: ↑Sat Mar 05, 2022 12:51 am
Thanx much for bringing this up again. We spoke with Fireman quite a bit a while back, but we were really busy and let it sit on a shelf. (More than a few designs sit on shelves due to too much going on). I think I'd like to pick it up again and make a prototype. We've done a number of drawings based on the Military Model, and Fireman's notch, but we didn't cut any steel.
sal
Re: Wildland Firefighters Knife
Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 8:55 pm
by m6steen
TL;DR
The conversation here is interesting and the idea is great but it's being overthought. Here's my suggestion:
Spyderco x Wildland Firefighter Foundation
This is based on on the following.
1. (8) seasons as a wildland firefighter
1.
2. Carrying a
Native FRN PE from 2003-2010.
3. Spyderco has
already done it, sort of
2.
Pragmatically, the diversity of wildland crews and personnel will make it difficult to appeal to a significant portion of that market. Specialized features like a
wire cutter, although useful to some, will not appeal to many others. Based on my previous work experience and more recent knife experience, I'd still choose a lightweight knife with clip and round hole opener, i.e. a Spyderco.
1 4 seasons as a sawyer on a Hotshot crew (FALC), 1 season on an engine crew (ENGB), 1 season on a helicopter crew (HECM) and 3 seasons as a smokejumper (SMKJ).
2 Never Summer/National Fallen Firefighters Foundation Native 5 Lightweight
Re: Wildland Firefighters Knife
Posted: Tue May 02, 2023 1:42 am
by Fireman
There is a way to have the Wildland fire knife with and without the wire breaker.
Re: Wildland Firefighters Knife
Posted: Tue May 02, 2023 11:16 am
by Uief5
You make a good point m6steen. Keep it simple. I will say one knife I’ve liked recently has been the gerber that has the open bearing. Just makes it harder to lose when you can loop a carabiner through the bearing and keep it attached to something that way. Think it was originally designed that way for climbers? Any form of attachment point would be good though.
