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Fozzy wrote:I guess I'm a little simple minded. You skipped over the whole middle part where after leaving his house, and before returning to it, there was an encounter with police]


I think that what is disgusting everyone is that you seem to be perfectly okay with the idea that carrying a knife harmlessly is wrong unless it is done in the course of some "lawfully exempt pursuit."

I should think that "not harming anyone" is a "lawfully exempt pursuit."

But you seem to feel that the state should have the power to tell us under what circumstances we're free to do harmless things.

Do you actually believe in the principle of owning and carrying knives for their utility? And do you believe in the idea of limiting what knives we may carry, based on some boogeyman principles that the uninformed have established about which knives are scarier or "more dangerous" than others?

Same b.s. principle went into the so-called "assault weapons ban."

If you're in NYC, keep your knife out of sight!

Yeah, right, :rolleyes: until he's arrested for carrying a concealed weapon! And then you'll post the text of that law, and tell us, "In an encounter with the police, garageboy was found to have a weapon (knife) concealed in his pocket: there's your violation." :rolleyes:

GarageBoy wrote:Okay, found out that it's a violation (one below misdemeanor) and is EXACTLY like a parking ticket (no record)

You should be glad you live in the US.
In the UK , you could be jailed for two years.
A locking knife (without good reason to carry it ) regardless of the blade size will get you rather more than a "parking ticket" depending on the "honest" opinion of your local law enforcement officer.
The laws in my "country" are the most harsh of the any country in the western world.
I feel for you for the "loss" of your knife.
The lack of respect that the officer in question you met on the night treated you to I also feel the lack of fair play regarding that incident that night.

this is depressing

While it might be unfortunate that garageboy had his knife confiscated, I think it's quite foolish how a few of you decide to anonymously take shots at the only person here with some insight, Fozzy, on how the NYPD officers might have come to their decision.
Cops have a thankless job and are always pissing somebody off for making an attempt to serve the public. Maybe some of you should do some ride-alongs to get an appreciation for the @*%holes they have to deal with day to day. Better yet, how about go to your local PD station and vent your concerns there.
How likely is that.

I think this conversation has gone south. This forum is for discussion of knives, not bashing.

We have several members of LE on this forum and believe me, they deserve our respect.

On a personal note, if you have issues with the laws, then work to change them, become involved. Ranting on a knife forum is not going to help.

There are men and women fighting for your rights, use them. Let this thread rest.

Taz

Thanks Kristi, I just wanted some assistance in what to do next and I got it. Thanks again!

GarageBoy wrote:Okay, found out that it's a violation (one below misdemeanor) and is EXACTLY like a parking ticket (no record)

See? That isn't that bad. Still not perfect. How did you find this out? When you go to court, are you going to ask what the "correct" way to carry is?

If so, please do share with us. Thanks for the update, hoping for the best for you.

TazKristi wrote:I think this conversation has gone south. This forum is for discussion of knives, not bashing.

I agree with you. However, I do think that there are people (like me) that would like to know the final outcome (or updates) from Garage boy.

Would it be better if he opened a new thread in the off topic area (if he chooses to share the end result with folks)?

Garageboy,
You did fine, I understand your reasoning. I also agree that if you would like to post an update when you know more, that it would be appropriate to do so in off-topic. My issues were with other posts, not your original post.

Hope this helps.

Kristi

Thanks!
I'll provide updates as time goes on.
I received news from a member of the NYPD traning. He gives em out and knows exactly what it was. It's a violation, no where on the thing was there mention about misdemenor, if there was, I would have been arrested instead of being on my merry way home

Thank you Kristi for your post....I tried to stay out of this one being a DT instructor for LEOs here in NYS...I decided to keep my tongue in cheek and the mouth shut for a change even though some of the posts did really get to me...specially the bashing...Thanks for bringing this thread back on course....Doc :D
Best of Luck to you Garageboy...everything is going to turn out just fine...don't fret about it....Doc

just some jerk on a powertrip and having a bad day; sorry about that

:spyder:

flipe8 wrote: Better yet, how about go to your local PD station and vent your concerns there.
How likely is that.

Why would that be unlikely?

bluemist wrote:Why would that be unlikely?

Just remember to not bring annother spydie in with you :eek:

I don't really buy the "thankless job" thing. I appreciate you Mr. Policeman. You have been there for me when I needed you and thank you for that. Without you very bad people would have complete freedom to do very bad things to good people. Thank you. We know you risk it all everyday but so do many many others in the work place. Personally I could just do without the 'tude. And I shouldn't be afraid to assert my "stinking rights" either. God Bless.

1. Logging workers
Fatalities: 92.4 per 100,000 employed
Median Pay: $29,730
Logging and timber workers duties include cutting down trees and cutting and moving logs, providing the raw material for countless products. The nature of their work puts them at constant risk of being killed by heavy, falling objects.

2. Aircraft pilots and flight engineers
Fatalities: 92.4 per 100,000 employed
Median pay: $129,250 -- but may be much lower for commercial pilots.
Although aircraft pilots and flight engineers have one of the most dangerous jobs in the nation, don't swear off air travel just yet. This category also includes commercial pilots of smaller aircraft -- including crop dusters and air taxis -- that are far more likely to crash than your typical 747.

3. Fishers and related workers
Fatalities: 86.4 per 100,000 employed
Median Pay: $24,100
Fishers endure storms, fog, wind and hazardous working conditions before bringing you the fresh salmon on your dinner plate. Perilous weather puts fishers at risk of drowning if their boat capsizes or they fall overboard. And if they suffer serious injuries while at sea, help isn't readily available.

4. Structural iron and steel workers
Fatalities: 47 per 100,000 employed
Median pay: $42,430
These workers climb dozens of stories to lay the iron and steel that form buildings, bridges and other structures. Despite strapping on harnesses and other safety gear, structural iron and steel workers face a high risk of fatal injuries from falls.

5. Refuse and recyclable material collectors
Fatalities: 43.2 per 100,000 employed
Median pay: $25,760
When refuse and recyclable material collectors take away your trash, they risk traffic accidents and fatal injuries from explosions of hazardous materials. According to a University of Miami study, the leading cause of on-the-job fatalities for these workers is impatient motorists who try to pass the garbage truck and hit the driver.

6. Farmers and ranchers
Fatalities: 37.5 per 100,000 employed
Median pay: $40,440
Farmers and ranchers raise animals and plant, cultivate and harvest crops used to produce our food. However, the tractors and machinery used by these workers can be very dangerous: Non-highway vehicle accidents accounted for 40 percent of occupational fatalities for farmers and ranchers in 2004.

7. Roofers
Fatalities: 34.9 per 100,000 employed
Median pay: $30,840
When these workers climb atop your house to build or repair your roof, they risk slipping or falling from scaffolds, ladders or roofs, or burning themselves on flammable, toxic materials.

8. Electrical power line installers and repairers
Fatalities: 30 per 100,000 employed
Median pay: $49,100
When your lights go out, line installers and repairers climb power poles and towers to get your electricity up and running. Power lines are typically high off the ground, so workers are at high risk of injury due to falls. Plus, these workers are often at risk of electrocution from contact with the high-voltage power lines.

9. Driver/sales workers and truck drivers
Fatalities: 27.6 per 100,000 employed
Truck driver median pay: $33,520
Driver/sales worker median pay: $20,090
Truck drivers transport goods including cars and livestock, and driver/sales workers deliver and sell their firm's products over established routes. Both groups spend the majority of their time on the road, putting them at high risk of highway vehicle crashes.

10. Taxi drivers and chauffeurs
Fatalities: 24.2 per 100,000 employed
Median pay: $19,570
The dangers of shuttling around patrons go far beyond highway crashes. Taxi drivers, who often work alone and carry large amounts of cash, may also find themselves victims of robbery and homicide.

bluemist wrote:I don't really buy the "thankless job" thing. I appreciate you Mr. Policeman. You have been there for me when I needed you and thank you for that. Without you very bad people would have complete freedom to do very bad things to good people. Thank you. We know you risk it all everyday but so do many many others in the work place. Personally I could just do without the 'tude. And I shouldn't be afraid to assert my "stinking rights" either. God Bless.
1. Logging workers
Fatalities: 92.4 per 100,000 employed
Median Pay: $29,730
Logging and timber workers duties include cutting down trees and cutting and moving logs, providing the raw material for countless products. The nature of their work puts them at constant risk of being killed by heavy, falling objects.

2. Aircraft pilots and flight engineers
Fatalities: 92.4 per 100,000 employed
Median pay: $129,250 -- but may be much lower for commercial pilots.
Although aircraft pilots and flight engineers have one of the most dangerous jobs in the nation, don't swear off air travel just yet. This category also includes commercial pilots of smaller aircraft -- including crop dusters and air taxis -- that are far more likely to crash than your typical 747.

3. Fishers and related workers
Fatalities: 86.4 per 100,000 employed
Median Pay: $24,100
Fishers endure storms, fog, wind and hazardous working conditions before bringing you the fresh salmon on your dinner plate. Perilous weather puts fishers at risk of drowning if their boat capsizes or they fall overboard. And if they suffer serious injuries while at sea, help isn't readily available.

4. Structural iron and steel workers
Fatalities: 47 per 100,000 employed
Median pay: $42,430
These workers climb dozens of stories to lay the iron and steel that form buildings, bridges and other structures. Despite strapping on harnesses and other safety gear, structural iron and steel workers face a high risk of fatal injuries from falls.

5. Refuse and recyclable material collectors
Fatalities: 43.2 per 100,000 employed
Median pay: $25,760
When refuse and recyclable material collectors take away your trash, they risk traffic accidents and fatal injuries from explosions of hazardous materials. According to a University of Miami study, the leading cause of on-the-job fatalities for these workers is impatient motorists who try to pass the garbage truck and hit the driver.

6. Farmers and ranchers
Fatalities: 37.5 per 100,000 employed
Median pay: $40,440
Farmers and ranchers raise animals and plant, cultivate and harvest crops used to produce our food. However, the tractors and machinery used by these workers can be very dangerous: Non-highway vehicle accidents accounted for 40 percent of occupational fatalities for farmers and ranchers in 2004.

7. Roofers
Fatalities: 34.9 per 100,000 employed
Median pay: $30,840
When these workers climb atop your house to build or repair your roof, they risk slipping or falling from scaffolds, ladders or roofs, or burning themselves on flammable, toxic materials.

8. Electrical power line installers and repairers
Fatalities: 30 per 100,000 employed
Median pay: $49,100
When your lights go out, line installers and repairers climb power poles and towers to get your electricity up and running. Power lines are typically high off the ground, so workers are at high risk of injury due to falls. Plus, these workers are often at risk of electrocution from contact with the high-voltage power lines.

9. Driver/sales workers and truck drivers
Fatalities: 27.6 per 100,000 employed
Truck driver median pay: $33,520
Driver/sales worker median pay: $20,090
Truck drivers transport goods including cars and livestock, and driver/sales workers deliver and sell their firm's products over established routes. Both groups spend the majority of their time on the road, putting them at high risk of highway vehicle crashes.

10. Taxi drivers and chauffeurs
Fatalities: 24.2 per 100,000 employed
Median pay: $19,570
The dangers of shuttling around patrons go far beyond highway crashes. Taxi drivers, who often work alone and carry large amounts of cash, may also find themselves victims of robbery and homicide.

Bluemist: I agree... you should not be afraid....but you must understand there is a difference between rights and privileges...There is a risk that comes with any type of work that one chooses...some professions more than others and I think we all aware of that...no need here for the Monster.com overview we get your point...If one chooses to to do dangerous work and understands the risks involved then that is that persons choice regardless of the benefits, pay etc. that one receives for performing their job function....The officers involved in this situation were just performing their job functions as dictated by the law, I don't agree with how they went about doing it, and prob had it been me would have handle it differently...but it is what it is and until the laws change there will be other incidents of the like in the future....Doc :D

I'm not all riled up, I never was, I could probably have guessed it is not a good idea to carry a tactical folder in plain view in NYC and now I know for sure.

Last post on this thread.

No, this is the last post in this thread. I asked that you let it rest, so in light of it not, it's closed.

Kristi