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OrangeShoes wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:51 am

Guys do you mind to share good fighting scenes of Donnie Yen apart from IP Man? Much appreciated. Thanks!

OrangeShoes wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:51 am

Guys do you mind to share good fighting scenes of Donnie Yen apart from IP Man? Much appreciated. Thanks!

James Y wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:07 pm

“Judo Jymnastics”

I find these old self-defense demo films to be highly entertaining. I can imagine Mary Parker saying, “Come on, Big Boy, show me what you’ve got,” in a Mae West voice.

https://youtu.be/SbFtFaNkXCc

Jim

cbrstar wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 17, 2020 1:57 pm

James Y wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:07 pm

“Judo Jymnastics”

I find these old self-defense demo films to be highly entertaining. I can imagine Mary Parker saying, “Come on, Big Boy, show me what you’ve got,” in a Mae West voice.

https://youtu.be/SbFtFaNkXCc

Jim

I really enjoyed watching this video. My Father actually met my Mother in one of these "Judo Self Defense" classes for Women. I can't help but think everything was labeled "Judo" back then. But it shows some of the more real life self defense moves they were teaching. My Mother told me that they also taught her things like using her keys as a weapon. Or if a guy came behind her to use the heel of her shoe to dig in and gouge all the way along the shin down into the foot.

James Y wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:07 pm

“Judo Jymnastics”

I find these old self-defense demo films to be highly entertaining. I can imagine Mary Parker saying, “Come on, Big Boy, show me what you’ve got,” in a Mae West voice.

https://youtu.be/SbFtFaNkXCc

Jim

James Y wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:02 am

A simple little ‘game’.

If you have a young child (if it suits their mindset), hand him/her a red Sharpie pen/marker; tell the child you will try to take it from them, but not to let you. Tell them to mark you up as much as they can, and they will win if they can keep you from disarming them for X-amount of time (maybe 20 seconds or so). Maybe offer a small reward as an incentive. Meanwhile, you’re trying to take it away. You are wearing a white shirt or sweatshirt. Indicate to them beforehand where they can mark you; hands, arms, thighs, torso, wherever...but for safety’s sake, not the neck or face. They can hold it in an ice pick grip, a saber grip, or whatever feels comfortable to them, as long as their grip on it is solid. Make it a game. Then see how it turns out.

Depending on how much the child is into it, and is intent on keeping the pen away from you and marking you up with it, you may find it’s not so easy. You will eventually disarm them, but how many marks will you have received? Now, pretend that each mark is a cut or a stab wound from a knife.

This is a pretty decent representation of what could happen if trying to disarm someone armed with a knife, who is determined to use it and not willing to let you take it from them.

One man, who is big and strong (and, IIRC, a LEO), tried this exercise with his young daughter, who was quite young (maybe 9; her age was not in the double digits). It took him awhile to get the pen away from her, and in the meantime, she marked him up pretty good, especially on his hands and arms. Had it been a determined kid or adult with a knife, the wounds would have been significant. Even more so if the person was in a rage.

It’s a good reality check for those who think that taking a knife away from someone who is determined is easy. Even someone who is NOT trained in knife combatives.

Jim

vivi wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:33 am

James Y wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:02 am

A simple little ‘game’.

If you have a young child (if it suits their mindset), hand him/her a red Sharpie pen/marker; tell the child you will try to take it from them, but not to let you. Tell them to mark you up as much as they can, and they will win if they can keep you from disarming them for X-amount of time (maybe 20 seconds or so). Maybe offer a small reward as an incentive. Meanwhile, you’re trying to take it away. You are wearing a white shirt or sweatshirt. Indicate to them beforehand where they can mark you; hands, arms, thighs, torso, wherever...but for safety’s sake, not the neck or face. They can hold it in an ice pick grip, a saber grip, or whatever feels comfortable to them, as long as their grip on it is solid. Make it a game. Then see how it turns out.

Depending on how much the child is into it, and is intent on keeping the pen away from you and marking you up with it, you may find it’s not so easy. You will eventually disarm them, but how many marks will you have received? Now, pretend that each mark is a cut or a stab wound from a knife.

This is a pretty decent representation of what could happen if trying to disarm someone armed with a knife, who is determined to use it and not willing to let you take it from them.

One man, who is big and strong (and, IIRC, a LEO), tried this exercise with his young daughter, who was quite young (maybe 9; her age was not in the double digits). It took him awhile to get the pen away from her, and in the meantime, she marked him up pretty good, especially on his hands and arms. Had it been a determined kid or adult with a knife, the wounds would have been significant. Even more so if the person was in a rage.

It’s a good reality check for those who think that taking a knife away from someone who is determined is easy. Even someone who is NOT trained in knife combatives.

Jim

I've had knives pulled on me a few times when I worked security. Sure as **** never tried disarming the perp.

There was one time a guy pulled a small Kershaw on me, maybe a Leek, and I happened to have my Street Bowie on me. Thought about pulling a crocodile dundee for a split second, then wiser brain cells took over :p

James Y wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:44 am

vivi wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:33 am

James Y wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:02 am

A simple little ‘game’.

If you have a young child (if it suits their mindset), hand him/her a red Sharpie pen/marker; tell the child you will try to take it from them, but not to let you. Tell them to mark you up as much as they can, and they will win if they can keep you from disarming them for X-amount of time (maybe 20 seconds or so). Maybe offer a small reward as an incentive. Meanwhile, you’re trying to take it away. You are wearing a white shirt or sweatshirt. Indicate to them beforehand where they can mark you; hands, arms, thighs, torso, wherever...but for safety’s sake, not the neck or face. They can hold it in an ice pick grip, a saber grip, or whatever feels comfortable to them, as long as their grip on it is solid. Make it a game. Then see how it turns out.

Depending on how much the child is into it, and is intent on keeping the pen away from you and marking you up with it, you may find it’s not so easy. You will eventually disarm them, but how many marks will you have received? Now, pretend that each mark is a cut or a stab wound from a knife.

This is a pretty decent representation of what could happen if trying to disarm someone armed with a knife, who is determined to use it and not willing to let you take it from them.

One man, who is big and strong (and, IIRC, a LEO), tried this exercise with his young daughter, who was quite young (maybe 9; her age was not in the double digits). It took him awhile to get the pen away from her, and in the meantime, she marked him up pretty good, especially on his hands and arms. Had it been a determined kid or adult with a knife, the wounds would have been significant. Even more so if the person was in a rage.

It’s a good reality check for those who think that taking a knife away from someone who is determined is easy. Even someone who is NOT trained in knife combatives.

Jim

I've had knives pulled on me a few times when I worked security. Sure as **** never tried disarming the perp.

There was one time a guy pulled a small Kershaw on me, maybe a Leek, and I happened to have my Street Bowie on me. Thought about pulling a crocodile dundee for a split second, then wiser brain cells took over :p

Thanks for sharing! So what was the outcome?

I mention ‘disarming,’ because I’ve heard some martial artists (including an MMA trainer) saying they would just take a knife away if someone pulled one on them. Like taking candy from a baby. Or the many people who say that someone could just take a knife away from YOU. Unless the person with the knife is bluffing and really has no desire to use it, attempting to disarm anyone armed with a knife is extremely dangerous, even if the knife wielder is NOT trained in knife combatives. Apparently, lots of people have been influenced by old Steven Seagal films and think it’s easy.

Jim

vivi wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:07 pm

James Y wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:44 am

vivi wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:33 am

James Y wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:02 am

A simple little ‘game’.

If you have a young child (if it suits their mindset), hand him/her a red Sharpie pen/marker; tell the child you will try to take it from them, but not to let you. Tell them to mark you up as much as they can, and they will win if they can keep you from disarming them for X-amount of time (maybe 20 seconds or so). Maybe offer a small reward as an incentive. Meanwhile, you’re trying to take it away. You are wearing a white shirt or sweatshirt. Indicate to them beforehand where they can mark you; hands, arms, thighs, torso, wherever...but for safety’s sake, not the neck or face. They can hold it in an ice pick grip, a saber grip, or whatever feels comfortable to them, as long as their grip on it is solid. Make it a game. Then see how it turns out.

Depending on how much the child is into it, and is intent on keeping the pen away from you and marking you up with it, you may find it’s not so easy. You will eventually disarm them, but how many marks will you have received? Now, pretend that each mark is a cut or a stab wound from a knife.

This is a pretty decent representation of what could happen if trying to disarm someone armed with a knife, who is determined to use it and not willing to let you take it from them.

One man, who is big and strong (and, IIRC, a LEO), tried this exercise with his young daughter, who was quite young (maybe 9; her age was not in the double digits). It took him awhile to get the pen away from her, and in the meantime, she marked him up pretty good, especially on his hands and arms. Had it been a determined kid or adult with a knife, the wounds would have been significant. Even more so if the person was in a rage.

It’s a good reality check for those who think that taking a knife away from someone who is determined is easy. Even someone who is NOT trained in knife combatives.

Jim

I've had knives pulled on me a few times when I worked security. Sure as **** never tried disarming the perp.

There was one time a guy pulled a small Kershaw on me, maybe a Leek, and I happened to have my Street Bowie on me. Thought about pulling a crocodile dundee for a split second, then wiser brain cells took over :p

Thanks for sharing! So what was the outcome?

I mention ‘disarming,’ because I’ve heard some martial artists (including an MMA trainer) saying they would just take a knife away if someone pulled one on them. Like taking candy from a baby. Or the many people who say that someone could just take a knife away from YOU. Unless the person with the knife is bluffing and really has no desire to use it, attempting to disarm anyone armed with a knife is extremely dangerous, even if the knife wielder is NOT trained in knife combatives. Apparently, lots of people have been influenced by old Steven Seagal films and think it’s easy.

Jim

The outcome was never anything heroic, but I'm here to tell you about it at least

The last time it happened was the Kershaw guy. It was a weekend night at a bar where I worked a 2nd job. I immediately created distance between him and me, told all the patrons on the patio to go inside, grabbed a bar stool to defend myself with and got out my phone and dialed 911. It was a spot known for trouble so cops were always nearby, usually 2 minute response times.

At this point he was about 15-20' away from me across the parking lot and hadn't tried torun up on me, was just pacing waving the knife around like a moron. While I waited I talked **** to the guy saying how hes getting thrown in jail over getting kicked out of a crappy bar etc. Starts to sink in when he heard the dispatcher on speaker phone that he f'd up, so he tossed the knife in some bushes and started walking away briskly. Cops showed up before he made it 50' and arrested him and banned him from the property.

That situation was scary because I couldn't just run away, I had a bunch of people I felt responsible for. It went amazingly well considering all the possible outcomes. If he had charged me I can't say for certain what my reaction would be.

The best way to win a knife fight is not to get in one.

I mention ‘disarming,’ because I’ve heard some martial artists (including an MMA trainer) saying they would just take a knife away if someone pulled one on them. Like taking candy from a baby. Or the many people who say that someone could just take a knife away from YOU. Unless the person with the knife is bluffing and really has no desire to use it, attempting to disarm anyone armed with a knife is extremely dangerous, even if the knife wielder is NOT trained in knife combatives. Apparently, lots of people have been influenced by old Steven Seagal films and think it’s easy.

VashHash wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:28 pm

Some people even believe they would see a knife to begin with.

The Mastiff wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:53 pm

I mention ‘disarming,’ because I’ve heard some martial artists (including an MMA trainer) saying they would just take a knife away if someone pulled one on them. Like taking candy from a baby. Or the many people who say that someone could just take a knife away from YOU. Unless the person with the knife is bluffing and really has no desire to use it, attempting to disarm anyone armed with a knife is extremely dangerous, even if the knife wielder is NOT trained in knife combatives. Apparently, lots of people have been influenced by old Steven Seagal films and think it’s easy.

Disarming someone determined is like going up against an attack trained dog. It means at best you have to pick what part of yours you sacrifice while doing so. It's not real fun. Even against untrained people, yes. Knives and clubs come pretty natural to people and they really only need to be determined and have overcome or thrown away their inhibitions about hurting/striking. Most humans and humans pets have plenty of inhibitions. They sometimes lose them for various reasons. Wild animals don't have them. That's why we see 70-80 lb cats or 80-90lb wolves so easily take even large 140 lb dogs in good shape or 200 lb men. The equation changes after people/pets lose that inhibition to kill. Even humans with tiny knives ( razor blades often in prisons) kill in seconds after they get used to it. The person is dead before they stop running/fighting sometimes. :eek:

BTW, the last time I was stabbed I didn't know it at first due to the adrenaline and other hits and scratches and stuff. I just thought I was punched in the ribs in my back. I didn't know until later when I felt blood running down my body. I thought a bug was crawling on me. Obviously I was very lucky. I've seen incidents that the stabbing guy didn't stop . I honestly think I was hit by accident and the strike was intended for an inmate next to me also in a scrum of people. It was rare they tried to actually kill staff. Hurting other inmates was serious but not as serious as trying to murder staff. :0