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:spyder: Bubinga is a very nice wood (if murderous on the chisels!) but it's not rainforest friendly like cocobolo :spyder:

Clay,
The only thing about the 2 words is they make you smile when you say them. :D


Michael,
I did not know that about bubinga( :) ) wood. Hmmm.... Learn something new every day.

Whatever Spyderco decides, I'm sure it will be a nice knife. I might wait and snag a fancy handled, ZDP-189 version in the future. We'll see. I already have 2 knives waiting on me, and a third pre-ordered, so I don't mind waiting till next year for the fancy Calypso.


Blades

Bodieism wrote:I would really, really like to see a bolstered verison. I would probably go for any handle material if its bolstered but blue or black for color would be preferable (an exotic wood would be cool to).

Personally, I don't care for bolstered knives with fancy expensive materials...

Functional IS beautiful - that is the main reason I like Spydercos so much. So, ZDP + G10 (coloured maybe). :cool:

and I think it ought to be a response to Sal's outstanding viewpoint......

Finger choils are considered an advantage to many that are "into" knives, but that is a smaller group.

We don't plan all of our models to be great sellers". We'll just plan on making fewer knives. There are many valuable customers that are not mainstream. there has got to be more to this "knife game" then just selling more knives and making more money. What about "pleasing the customer?" We make quite a few models that are not "great sellers", but they do serve a discriminating audience.

sal

Last edited by sal : 04-14-2006 at 11:42 AM.

Count me in for the Calypso, as pictured. The ONLY thing I would alter is for it to allow for disassembly as you've done with the 4th-gen End/elicas. That, and the ability for tip-up carry. :)

Hi VictorLouis,

Welcome to the Spyderco forum. Hope you enjoy your time here.

The Caly3 uses a "deep pocket" wire clip. Tip up, left and right. If we also made it tip down, we'd have to use a clip that is screwed in.

The new model was planned to be a locking version of the UK Pen knife, which uses a "deep pocket" wire.

sal

Hi Sal,

Why can't you use the pivot pin to hold a wire clip?

Blades wrote:

I don't mind waiting till next year for the fancy Calypso.

Yeh, I think I'll probably do the same also. My high maintenance kids are keeping me constantly broke these days and there's no way I can afford both versions. I'll probably have to pass on the ZDP Chinese Folder as well .

cheers,
clay

sal wrote:Hi VictorLouis,

Welcome to the Spyderco forum. Hope you enjoy your time here.

The Caly3 uses a "deep pocket" wire clip. Tip up, left and right.

Thanks for the welcome, Sir. I'm working my way through your product line-up to find the most suitable ones for my needs.

Tip-up is the most comfortable for me, and I'm glad that's what the Caly3 will use. :)

Carlos wrote:Hi Sal,

Why can't you use the pivot pin to hold a wire clip?

Hi Carlos,

It does not seem to be a very effective solution for long term use. The pivot is affected by the pressures on the clip. We're trying it on the Volpe because that's the way Gabrielle designed the model, but it also has screws to assist and it is a stamped clip.

That's one of the reasons we're holding on the Lil Temp 2. A wire is preferred, but a good effective long term 4 way fastening method for the wire clip is still elusive.

sal

Thanks Sal. I'd thought you'd already had a solution to 4-position wire clips back before the release of the Para.

Just drilling and tapping (to the liner) a dedicated clip hole on each side of the pivot end is too inelegant? Or is a screw that only goes into one scale and liner too unstable - relative to the bolts (which go all the way through both scales) you've been using for current wireclips?

sal wrote:Hi Carlos,

It does not seem to be a very effective solution for long term use. The pivot is affected by the pressures on the clip. We're trying it on the Volpe because that's the way Gabrielle designed the model, but it also has screws to assist and it is a stamped clip.

That's one of the reasons we're holding on the Lil Temp 2. A wire is preferred, but a good effective long term 4 way fastening method for the wire clip is still elusive.

sal

How about if a pivot construction like the Sebenza is used? (with a bushing around the pivot pin). That way, the pivot can be tightened all the way, without affecting blade action?

Carbon fiber would be neat, bolsters with micarta would be just awesome. I would like white linen micarta like the old Almar folders that turns ivory looking with age...second choice would be maroon micarta and third black micarta. I just picked up a small persian and it is supeurb! A calypso Jr. version made like this would be fantastic. I have 3 of the Calypso Jr. AUS-8 with black micarta handles and 2 of them are put up for "future use". I look very forward to this release...

Carlos wrote:Thanks Sal. I'd thought you'd already had a solution to 4-position wire clips back before the release of the Para.

Just drilling and tapping (to the liner) a dedicated clip hole on each side of the pivot end is too inelegant? Or is a screw that only goes into one scale and liner too unstable - relative to the bolts (which go all the way through both scales) you've been using for current wireclips?

Actually, we were trying to make a lock back version of the UKPK, which uses the deep pocket wire, which seems to be a very effective solution.

Current plan is for a full scale in black G-10, left / right deep pcket wire clip.

The ZDP version will be the same, but with brushed carbon fiber in place of the G-10.

If reaction is acceptable, then we'll make an FRN mold for the Caly3. If demand is too little, we'll stick with the slab versions.

sal

sal wrote:Actually, we were trying to make a lock back version of the UKPK, which uses the deep pocket wire, which seems to be a very effective solution.

Current plan is for a full scale in black G-10, left / right deep pcket wire clip.

The ZDP version will be the same, but with brushed carbon fiber in place of the G-10.

If reaction is acceptable, then we'll make an FRN mold for the Caly3. If demand is too little, we'll stick with the slab versions.

sal

Oh yes...... :D

Thanks for the update, Sal. The Caly 3 is SUPER sweet, I can't wait til it sees production!

It just felt right, the ergonomics are imroved over th Caly Jr., which was a pretty comfy knife to start with.

sal wrote: The ZDP version will be the same, but with brushed carbon fiber in place of the G-10.
sal

best news of the day! :cool:

Black G10 and fully serrated :eek: :eek: :D




........I'm still waiting........ :D

sal wrote:Actually, we were trying to make a lock back version of the UKPK, which uses the deep pocket wire, which seems to be a very effective solution.

Current plan is for a full scale in black G-10, left / right deep pcket wire clip.

The ZDP version will be the same, but with brushed carbon fiber in place of the G-10.

If reaction is acceptable, then we'll make an FRN mold for the Caly3. If demand is too little, we'll stick with the slab versions.

sal

Thanks for the infos Mr. Glesser.
Now I wonder what's the purpose of those steel liners after all? I'm sure G-10 or CF scales are strong enough :confused: AFAIK, the liner was added merely to hold the clip in place, which is no longer an issue with the UKPK wireclip. :confused:
This won't stop me from getting the ZDP / CF one, it's just that I like linerless knives when possible.
Oh, and I'm gonna love a FRN version, anyway :)

I have a suggestion, but as I have no idea of the cost, or the marketability, you be the judge, if it is feasable.

If the caly3 (or other full slab models) are screwed-together, how hard/expensive would it be to have replacable slabs?
Example, unscrew 2 screws, pop on a different color/material slab & rescrew the slabs in place.

This would not have to be screws that do any further disassembly of the knife - this would help with warrenty issues, as if the person reassembled the knife incorrectly.

The reason I suggested full slab models, is the tollerences should not be so much an issue as it is not trying to snug into a bolstered model, either being to small or too big.

Kind of like a phone, with changable face plates, but with micarta, wood, carbon fiber, etc screwed in place to the assembled knife.

uncleknife wrote:I have a suggestion, but as I have no idea of the cost, or the marketability, you be the judge, if it is feasable.

If the caly3 (or other full slab models) are screwed-together, how hard/expensive would it be to have replacable slabs?
Example, unscrew 2 screws, pop on a different color/material slab & rescrew the slabs in place.

This would not have to be screws that do any further disassembly of the knife - this would help with warrenty issues, as if the person reassembled the knife incorrectly.

The reason I suggested full slab models, is the tollerences should not be so much an issue as it is not trying to snug into a bolstered model, either being to small or too big.

Kind of like a phone, with changable face plates, but with micarta, wood, carbon fiber, etc screwed in place to the assembled knife.

This has been mentioned quite a few times in the past by various forum members. I'd love to see it, but I don't know how good the chances of it happening really are. Sal did mention that the Poliwog was originally designed to have swappable parts.