CPM 15v Manix 2

[ladybug93]

again from the other thread...

All rules are made up. You want to comment in an alert thread that has been explicitly named so by the thread maker, no one can stop you. Its just rude.

And while there is no rule against being rude, I thought we were a forum and community that prided itself on not being so.

I got my knives, and turned off my alerts for this thread, for those who haven't, every stray comment rings the bell for them. Which can be vexing especially if youre at work and trying to sneak a moment to buy a knife only to see it's a random and unnecessary comment (including this comment, sorry guys).

Anyways if you don't like made up rules, common courtesy, or care about how you may impact other people, be yourself I guess.

people are either available to check their notifications or they aren't. again, that's not going to stop them from getting this knife. the mini releases are the problem with people getting this knife. i had a few chances and let them slip by. then i decided to go for it and tried a handful of times that ended in failure because the stock was too demand was too high for the supply. it had nothing to do with notifications and everything to do with the fact that there were only mere minutes at best separating in stock from out of stock.

[Guts]

minuscule numbers are keeping people from this release. it's not that hard check your notifications and see if there is a link or not. it's not hard to find a link a few comments back. it is hard, however, to be on the forum all day and night waiting for an update, click on a link, add something to your cart, and be ready to check out across something like fifteen different sites that are all getting 2-5 pieces at a time.

i get the frustration, but i think it's misplaced. the stray comments don't take away from the great work beau and others are doing to help everyone. the wide-spread trickle release is the problem.

I found Beau's notifications even with all the extra chit-chat way more reliable than the notification systems that the retailers employ. I never got notifications from most of them. I think only the BladeHQ and National Knives notifications worked for me, but I know I signed up for around a half dozen across multiple retailers. The very low stock that the dealers are actually getting initially was the more frustrating aspect, agreed. With this 15V sprint and Beau's notifications, I missed a few drops because it took me too long to type in my info, but I at least had a chance. Just had to keep trying and eventually got one after a few days.

With computers as another hobby, I'll say this is nothing compared to the experience of trying to get some computer components last year when electronic component shortages were at their height. You were competing against automated bots from scalpers that could checkout from retailers in seconds. Things sold out before notifications even dropped, you literally had no chance. And that's not considering the hundreds of thousands of actual people you were also competing against. People were trying for months to get some components. It was pretty insane. This 15V drop was pretty tame by comparison.

[ladybug93]

i agree that the thread has been far more reliable.

[Mushroom]

I think the best solution is to forgo any alert threads in the future and just let people fend for themselves.

I can only imagine the whining that would still be going on about this knife from some people if Beau wasn’t doing the hard work for them.

[ladybug93]

I think the best solution is to forgo any alert threads in the future and just let people fend for themselves.

I can only imagine the whining that would still be going on about this knife from some people if Beau wasn’t doing the hard work for them.

why would that be the best solution? that doesn't help anyone.

what do you consider whining? i think there is some validity to the complaints surrounding this release.

[ZrowsN1s]

For what it's worth I got both of my 15V knives because I had email alerts connected to the alert thread and because Beau posted in the alert thread. As soon as I heard the beep, I immediately went to the page followed the link and added to cart. I tried 5 times, succeeded twice. And yes once was while I was at work. Which is why the unnecessary comments were such a drag aside from annoying beeps.

My usual methods for getting a sprint weren't panning out. If not for the alert thread I'd probably still be hunting.

[Brock O Lee]

I gave up getting one. Too hard with my time zone or retailers that don’t ship internationlly. I’ll wait for a future model where demand is not so high.

[Strauss95]

Setting up the email notification on the alert thread was how I was able to get mine, thanks to the fine work of others in this forum, of which I am very thankful of.

[Manixguy@1994]

For what it's worth I got both of my 15V knives because I had email alerts connected to the alert thread and because Beau posted in the alert thread. As soon as I heard the beep, I immediately went to the page followed the link and added to cart. I tried 5 times, succeeded twice. And yes once was while I was at work. Which is why the unnecessary comments were such a drag aside from annoying beeps.

My usual methods for getting a sprint weren't panning out. If not for the alert thread I'd probably still be hunting.

Hats off setting up other thread to alert . There has been a lot of passion and frustration to get the Manix , hard to fault that desire . Dan

[R100]

I gave up getting one. Too hard with my time zone or retailers that don’t ship internationlly. I’ll wait for a future model where demand is not so high.

G'day Hans, I really want to try 15V and love the Manix. I didn't think I'd manage it but was subscribed to the alerts thread. I was always too slow on anyone who'd ship to Australia but then finally got an order in with Tactical Knives. The next day I realised it was a drop shipper and had them on extended backorder. I had been in such a hurry to get the order through I didn't notice. Stupid! Anyway, they took my money and I can only hope one will eventually show up.

Dan

[Bolster]

I'm very grateful to Beau and the many contributors to the 15V alert thread. True community spirit. Thanks to all who contributed to it. It's folks like you who have managed to guide these knives into the hands of many users and enthusiasts.

[Brock O Lee]

I gave up getting one. Too hard with my time zone or retailers that don’t ship internationlly. I’ll wait for a future model where demand is not so high.

G'day Hans, I really want to try 15V and love the Manix. I didn't think I'd manage it but was subscribed to the alerts thread. I was always too slow on anyone who'd ship to Australia but then finally got an order in with Tactical Knives. The next day I realised it was a drop shipper and had them on extended backorder. I had been in such a hurry to get the order through I didn't notice. Stupid! Anyway, they took my money and I can only hope one will eventually show up.

Dan

Hey Dan! I also tried at Tactical Knives, but bailed out when I saw the backorder. You may still get lucky with your order...

[WilliamMunny]

I'm very grateful to Beau and the many contributors to the 15V alert thread. True community spirit. Thanks to all who contributed to it. It's folks like you who have managed to guide these knives into the hands of many users and enthusiasts.

I second this, I was able to get one due to the alert thread. Very grateful for the help to get one. It will be used and enjoyed by a Spyderco fan and not put on the secondary market for profit.

Great job guys and thanks again.

[dullmaker]

ZrowsN1s wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 27, 2022 4:17 pm
For what it's worth I got both of my 15V knives because I had email alerts connected to the alert thread and because Beau posted in the alert thread. As soon as I heard the beep, I immediately went to the page followed the link and added to cart. I tried 5 times, succeeded twice. And yes once was while I was at work. Which is why the unnecessary comments were such a drag aside from annoying beeps.

I would have struck out if not for the alerts. Again, thanks to all that contributed to the actual alerts.
Bruce

[ZrowsN1s]

Moved to appropriate thread for a reply....

I've not yet posted in this thread, because alert thread, but sal and Mike have. Doesn't that tell us something?

I assumed that sal and Mike simply didn't notice. They're busy people with a lot of forum to read. Mike welcomes all new posters regardless of where they post.

Even the people who know better I assumed were posting because they didn't fully grasp that some people had email notifications set up and were monitoring the thread desperately trying to score a very cool knife.

I would like to think the comments made in the alert thread are made out of ignorance rather than deliberate rudeness. Because I like to think the best of my fellow forumites who I have grown fond of over the last 7 years.

[Cycletroll]

I managed to snag one due to the alert thread as well; thanks Beau! :)

[WilliamMunny]

For what it’s worth REC only got 7 of these. Sold out now, if there are no more provided to these stores it was a pretty small run, a few hundred I am guessing.

[kennbr34]

Just a heads up so folks understand what’s happening here. Spyderco is only shipping “2-5 knives per dealer”, this was said to me by the fella at DLT trading. He doesn’t know why Spyderco is doing that, but they are. DLT is expecting another shipment from Spyderco, and when they have their full inventory of the 15V knives, they will drop them.

Why does Spyderco not just tool up and run a bunch? Is this a tactic to see what will sell and what won’t? A Dip your toe in the water to see the temp. If it’s hot, Dump a truckload on the dealers? If so, it seems like Preorders to test the water would be a way better way to handle this, that way Scalpers Be Dammed! Everyone gets what they want and have paid for at the same time, and for a reasonable (& same) price.

I paid a scalper almost double because I want one, but that sucks. Are material procurement the problem? Is it risk of making too many of a knife that flops the problem. What are your thoughts?

Well, I don't know if the small drops to vendors are due to foresight of this fact, but I will say that if vendors had been given large lots then the majority of them would be on eBay now at inflated prices. Scalpers would love an opportunity to buy 20+ of these at a time to manufacture scarcity because they're guaranteed to at least make back what they spend, and much more by buying up all the inventory and making them that much harder to procure.

And, no offense intended, but it's exactly that unwillingness to not get one and buying from scalpers that facilitates this. The only way to really combat it is for vendors to have a strict purchase limit per customer, but I think most of them are unscrupulous and don't really care. Well, maybe not "most" but it only takes one or two with a large inventory to screw the market by choosing to sell in bulk to scalpers.

So given that, Spyderco is the only entity that can really combat the scalping issue by only allowing a trickle's worth to vendors at a time. Again, I don't know if it was intentional and they has the foresight to realize it, but had they not, then there would be basically none of us that got this at the MAP price.

I really don't think there's much point in "testing the water" for Spyderco. They know they'll sell however many they produce.

[ladybug93]

the trickle prolongs the scalper's' opportunities. think about it... they are usually set up for these quick purchases more than others. they can buy one or two and sell them on ebay before the next drop falls. now they've got time and more money to buy the next round up and can turn them again. each time only a small number drops, the scarcity is manufactured for them and they are more empowered in their selling for secondary prices. that's further enabled by the lack of information about how many we can expect. even those of us that know about how sprint runs work are still feeling fomo as we see them sell out in seconds never knowing if that's the last of them.

this isn't a method to stop the scalpers. it only further enables and empowers them to do what they do.

[kennbr34]

the trickle prolongs the scalper's' opportunities. think about it... they are usually set up for these quick purchases more than others. they can buy one or two and sell them on ebay before the next drop falls. now they've got time and more money to buy the next round up and can turn them again. each time only a small number drops, the scarcity is manufactured for them and they are more empowered in their selling for secondary prices. that's further enabled by the lack of information about how many we can expect. even those of us that know about how sprint runs work are still feeling fomo as we see them sell out in seconds never knowing if that's the last of them.

this isn't a method to stop the scalpers. it only further enables and empowers them to do what they do.

Except the scalpers have to compete with earnest buyers for the few that each vendor gets. Think about every time a link gets posted in the alert thread. There's really only a handful of people who say they got one, or didn't get one. Then imagine if that same vendor had twenty instead of five. The five earnest buyers that saw it would all get theirs, and then some scalper would by the other fifteen to flip.