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James Y wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:22 am

I've heard it said that "Once something is posted on the internet, it's there forever." If that statement is actually true, then there is, or someday will be, some way to recover it all.

Jim

spoonrobot wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 19, 2022 9:39 am

James Y wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:22 am

I've heard it said that "Once something is posted on the internet, it's there forever." If that statement is actually true, then there is, or someday will be, some way to recover it all.

Jim

As much as that was true in the past, it's not anymore. Millions of photobucket/flickr images were (and are) deleted with no chance of recovery, webhosting services delete reams of technical data when their host dies and the site goes delinquent. Angelfire and Geocities changeover swept away much of the old internet.

Lots of data generated by Cliff is gone because it was posted as images, which are generally not archived by webcrawlers - as well as hosted by Photobucket to an account that is also gone. However, he created such a huge impact in many places that much of his knowledge can still be found in active forums and through the Wayback Machine.

This is a not so subtle reminder that if you see something online (especially in a forum - remember Knifeforums.com?) that is exceptionally interesting and useful you should save it and share it. The (original) Cliff Stamp forum is a huge loss, I hope it was saved and can return as an archive. Specific to Spyderco, Sal shared much over there that was not shared elsewhere. That forum had the best historiography of the impact of Chinese manufacturing on the US knife industry as it happened from the front row by Sal and others. I always meant to compile what I read but never got around to it, such a shame.

20 years ago before I really learned anything Cliff was influencing me on how to gather data, make and analyze observations, and stand up ideas and theories against criticism. He is missed.

spoonrobot wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 19, 2022 9:39 am

James Y wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:22 am

I've heard it said that "Once something is posted on the internet, it's there forever." If that statement is actually true, then there is, or someday will be, some way to recover it all.

Jim

As much as that was true in the past, it's not anymore. Millions of photobucket/flickr images were (and are) deleted with no chance of recovery, webhosting services delete reams of technical data when their host dies and the site goes delinquent. Angelfire and Geocities changeover swept away much of the old internet.

Lots of data generated by Cliff is gone because it was posted as images, which are generally not archived by webcrawlers - as well as hosted by Photobucket to an account that is also gone. However, he created such a huge impact in many places that much of his knowledge can still be found in active forums and through the Wayback Machine.

This is a not so subtle reminder that if you see something online (especially in a forum - remember Knifeforums.com?) that is exceptionally interesting and useful you should save it and share it. The (original) Cliff Stamp forum is a huge loss, I hope it was saved and can return as an archive. Specific to Spyderco, Sal shared much over there that was not shared elsewhere. That forum had the best historiography of the impact of Chinese manufacturing on the US knife industry as it happened from the front row by Sal and others. I always meant to compile what I read but never got around to it, such a shame.

20 years ago before I really learned anything Cliff was influencing me on how to gather data, make and analyze observations, and stand up ideas and theories against criticism. He is missed.

Meadowlark wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:04 am

Has there been any progress on locating and archiving this portion of his forum?

It sounds like a very interesting read and it sounds like enthusiasts owe this man a large debt of gratitude.

I hope it, and the whole forum, still exists.

Thanks.

Stuart Ackerman wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 24, 2023 2:36 pm

I am a Moderator at the new site, but I seldom go there...

I will change that, methinks?

As a Mod, I can see newer posts...

embry386 wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 24, 2023 2:32 pm

Meadowlark wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:04 am

Has there been any progress on locating and archiving this portion of his forum?

It sounds like a very interesting read and it sounds like enthusiasts owe this man a large debt of gratitude.

I hope it, and the whole forum, still exists.

Thanks.

It exists!

Direct link to the recovered/archived forums: https://oldforum.beyondt01micron.com/

Looks like Jason Stone and some other people got it up and running read-only, see what they said about it in the last post here (on the new forums): https://www.beyondt01micron.com/read.ph ... 9#msg-1419

The recovered/archived forum doesn't have any posts newer than August 2021, but it looks like they managed to save the vast majority of it.