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gac wrote:I'll b surprised if the new version does get manufactured. The company does seem serious and intent on the project though.

That they are. I keep hearing them quoted as saying that it "is not a market study", and all that jazz. It occurs to me that a market study might not have been such a terrible idea for them though. After all, EAA makes a cheap knock off of the Bren Ten already for a fraction of the predicted price. Most of the people, like myself, who are really only into the model because it was in a TV show a while back are likely to opt for that... and most of the people who really like the 10mm round have tons of other options that have popped up in the past few years. As mentioned, there are the glocks... the 20 and the 29 if I'm not mistaken. S&W makes a few 10mm pistols I think. Then there are the 1911 variants rechambered to 10mm, like KaliGMan's Colt. If I were one of those people (the ones that just really like the 10mm), I'd save my pennies for the Nighthawk Heinie model in 10mm. But, that's just me. It is my understanding that the round falls somewhere in between the .357 and the .41 magnums in terms of both power and recoil with the more powerful loads, and between .40 S&W and .357 mag in lighter loads. If I'm not mistaken, the excessive recoil was behind the FBI's decision not to issue it.

Since EAA also copies the CZ75 design I suppose that would be very close to the Bren Ten for people who would really want one.

I never much cared about the Bren Ten in Miami Vice. The episode where a paid killer is trying to kill Crockett had a great scene where the shooter is leaving a shooting scene and is stopped by a plainclothes cop. The officer momentarily shifts his eyes away from the shooter and the shooter quickly draws and fire a hideout gun. The guy playing the shooter was wicked fast. I later found out - within the past few years - that the guy was a big-time IPSC shooter.

As it happens, I was just talking about that exact scene a few months ago... specifically, I was telling somebody that that was real, unedited footage... no trick photography. The actors name is Jim Zubiena. For the record, I looked it up... and that is definitely all him. He really is that good... and if that isn't the first Mozanbique drill ever shown on television, it's the earliest one I can think of. Micheal Mann hired him on as the firearms consultant for Miami Vice, and then for the movie Manhunter. It's been a while... but I think he has a little cameo showing in that film as well. Don Johnson evidently liked his style... as he had him design that crazy 1911 that he carried in Nash Bridges.

For the record, while it may seem like I have an unnatural fascination with the television programs of the 80's and 90's... I assure you, my flawless recall is exclusive to the firearm related trivia. :p

I think I remember seeing Zubiena's name come up in connection with a CAS event recently... so I'm pretty sure he is still active in competition shooting. I could be wrong about that though.

I'm glad you remembered his name. I just did the google and re-read the stuff I read before. Even better, a film clip of the scene in question:

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It's different than I remembered it. I thought Zubiena had a short barreled wheel gun and had started leaving before confronted by Yellow Shirt.

Jordan wrote:As it happens, I was just talking about that exact scene a few months ago... specifically, I was telling somebody that that was real, unedited footage... no trick photography. The actors name is Jim Zubiena. For the record, I looked it up... and that is definitely all him. He really is that good... and if that isn't the first Mozanbique drill ever shown on television, it's the earliest one I can think of. Micheal Mann hired him on as the firearms consultant for Miami Vice, and then for the movie Manhunter. It's been a while... but I think he has a little cameo showing in that film as well. Don Johnson evidently liked his style... as he had him design that crazy 1911 that he carried in Nash Bridges.

For the record, while it may seem like I have an unnatural fascination with the television programs of the 80's and 90's... I assure you, my flawless recall is exclusive to the firearm related trivia. :p

I think I remember seeing Zubiena's name come up in connection with a CAS event recently... so I'm pretty sure he is still active in competition shooting. I could be wrong about that though.

The gun used in that episode by the "hitman" was a Heinie custom 1911 in .45 ACP, or so I was told. At one point I handled what was supposedly the gun used, and there was documentation regarding its use that was supposed to be available to the interested buyer. The price, since it was a Heinie custom and had the Miami Vice cachet, was high.

As for the 10mm in law enforcement, the FBI did issue a Smith & Wesson in 10mm for a time, as did the Virginia State Police and other agencies. The Bureau used a "10 light" round for reduced recoil. The Smiths that were issued had a lot of reliability issues at first. The gun was basically designed for the FBI and, as happens sometimes with first generation new mechanical devices, things did not work out how the designers exactly intended. Smith worked on the guns and, about the time corrections had been made and the guns were supposed to be able to operate reliably, the FBI dropped the gun due to the reliability issues and the fact that it was a big heavy gun. 9mm Sigs were issued as a "stopgap" measure and then the .40 S&W round came out, with performance approximating or duplicating the light 10mm in ammunition that could be shot out of 9mm sized platform rather than a .45 ACP sized platform. More rounds, smaller footprint, and less weight for handguns chambered for .40 equaled goodbye 10mm for most law enforcement agencies. Loaded to capacity rather than light, it can be a powerful beast. Loaded light, it is still quite effective. If you really want to see some nice 10mm ballistics, though, shoot it out of a carbine. I have, and I was pretty happy with the results.

If I was buying another 10mm handgun, I would probably get the Glock 20; if another 1911 varient, then I'd probably talk to Les Baer.

KaliGman wrote:The gun used in that episode by the "hitman" was a Heinie custom 1911 in .45 ACP, or so I was told. At one point I handled what was supposedly the gun used, and there was documentation regarding its use that was supposed to be available to the interested buyer. The price, since it was a Heinie custom and had the Miami Vice cachet, was high.

As for the 10mm in law enforcement, the FBI did issue a Smith & Wesson in 10mm for a time, as did the Virginia State Police and other agencies. The Bureau used a "10 light" round for reduced recoil. The Smiths that were issued had a lot of reliability issues at first. The gun was basically designed for the FBI and, as happens sometimes with first generation new mechanical devices, things did not work out how the designers exactly intended. Smith worked on the guns and, about the time corrections had been made and the guns were supposed to be able to operate reliably, the FBI dropped the gun due to the reliability issues and the fact that it was a big heavy gun. 9mm Sigs were issued as a "stopgap" measure and then the .40 S&W round came out, with performance approximating or duplicating the light 10mm in ammunition that could be shot out of 9mm sized platform rather than a .45 ACP sized platform. More rounds, smaller footprint, and less weight for handguns chambered for .40 equaled goodbye 10mm for most law enforcement agencies. Loaded to capacity rather than light, it can be a powerful beast. Loaded light, it is still quite effective. If you really want to see some nice 10mm ballistics, though, shoot it out of a carbine. I have, and I was pretty happy with the results.

If I was buying another 10mm handgun, I would probably get the Glock 20; if another 1911 varient, then I'd probably talk to Les Baer.

+1 on talking with Les Baer....Doc :D