I was forced to do the unthinkable.

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I was forced to do the unthinkable.

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This may be upsetting to some; it was certainly upsetting to me. My apologies in advance. I just had to vent to people who might understand and appreciate my loss.

I've lurked on these forums for months, but this is my first post. My name is Damon, and I'm a Spyderholic. I've known about Spyderco for close to 20 years. My brother worked at an indoor shooting range in Monrovia, CA, that sold Spyderco knives. My brother offered to give me one for Christmas one year, but I opted for a Benchmade AFCK liner lock instead, because I just couldn't get over the look of those "funny looking black plastic knives."

Fast forward to a little over a year ago. I walked into a local knife store and ACTUALLY HANDLED an Endura 4 saber grind. The knife fit my hand unlike any folder I'd handled before. I was immediately sold. I liked the knife so much that I paid full pop for it on the spot and left the store with it in my pocket. It wasn't what I'd call "pretty" at the time, but it was perfect. I came to appreciate it's real beauty every day I carried it, which was most days.

I met Sal at SHOT in Las Vegas last year. I talked to him a bit and I talked to Ed Schempp for a good 10 minutes about different products that they had at the show. I remember thinking that it was kind of funny that I was talking the CEO OF SPYDERCO and I was impressed with how down to Earth he was. Anyway, it thought it was kind of cool it made me even happier with my purchase of the Endura.

The more I learned about the Company, the more I liked Spyderco. My Endura was the first knife I actually carried every day. Over the next two months, I bought two more knives. A PM2, and I Caly 3 CF. I bought another PM2 for my brother. The Caly 3 is my "nicest" and most expensive knife. I switched back and forth between the PM2 and Caly 3 for a few weeks, but after a short while damned if my old saber ground Endura didn't find its way back into my pocket. It was like the baby bear's porridge.....just "right".

Well, a couple of months ago, my wife and I went on our delayed honeymoon to the Mayan Riviera. We would fly out of Los Angeles, transfer once, and land in Cancun. Wouldn't you know it, I arrived at LAX with my Endura in my pocket. I got the the body scanner and immediately realized my mistake as soon as I reached to empty my pockets. I told the nearest TSA rep that we were flying to Mexico and asked if there was anything I could do to avoid losing the knife. My ride to the airport had already driven away and we had already checked our bags. I asked if there were lockers that I could put it in or a post office in the airport, where I could mail it back home. He answered "no" but said that I could put it in the otherwise empty backpack that I had brought along to carry water and snacks and I could check that. I put the knife in my empty backpack, checked it, and headed to the gate. Crisis averted, or so I thought.

We had to transfer planes once in the US before heading to Cancun. We landed at an airport the I won't name and proceeded to our next gate. While at the airport I developed a sudden curiosity about Mexican knife laws. In the couple hours we had between flights, I started to research the law. The more I read, the more concerned I became. Seems Mexico has some VERY strict laws regarding foreigners bringing what it considers "weapons" into the country. I read tale after terrifying tale about how much trouble you could get into if caught. I read about how Americans can't trust Mexican police; stories about people being shaken down or put in a Mexican jail where they would wait MONTHS for a court date. I read about how Mexican customs x-rays EVERY incoming bag these days.

I came to the realization that the TSA in Los Angeles had given me the absolute worst advice they could have. A nearly empty backpack containing ONLY a WEAPON going through the x-ray in Cancun surely wouldn't end well for me. While waiting for our connecting flight, I asked the airline rep if there was ANYTHING I could do to resolve this before boarding the plane to Mexico. I explained what I'd been told in LA and that I was likely going to be in big trouble when I landed in Cancun. I told her I really didn't want to spend my honeymoon and god knows how much longer in a Mexican jail.

She took pity on me. She sighed and said this was the third thing that day that she had to fix something that the TSA at LAX had screwed up. She talked to her supervisor and, asked me to describe the backpack, and told me to wait right where I was. She went outside and returned about ten minutes later. She walked up to me, got really close, and very discretely handed me the Endura, which she had recovered from my bag. She only said, "get rid of it." I started to ask her if there were lockers and again her response was "just get rid of it". You see, she had given me a 4" knife inside the safe area the airport. I suddenly felt an urgency to get outside the secure area of the airport.

I walked briskly through the unfamiliar airport with a 4" knife in my pocket. I tried in vain to find a way outside where I could try to find some lockers - some way to stow the knife so I could pick it up on my return trip. However, the airport was huge and unfamiliar. We now had just 10 minutes to make out connecting flight. I reluctantly went into a bathroom, wadded the knife up in a ball of paper towels and tossed it in the trash. I was forced to throw away my first and absolutely favorite Spyderco. I shuffled back to the gate, gave her a thankful nod, and boarded our flight to Cancun.

We've been home for a couple weeks now. I've been carrying my PM2 lately, but I still feel sick about what I had to do. I can only picture my beloved Endura in a landfill somewhere in the Midwest. :(
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Guess there was no post office on the airport maybe?
If so you could have it sent to your home adress.
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Sorry for your lost knife ! But couldn't you try to hide it in the bathroom ? Well, I can imagine what you felt, panic and stress are not the best guides when you have 10 minutes to find a solution ! Well, now you just have to imagine where it is, depending of who found it.

Something "cool" here in France is that you could not have this issue, because it's not allowed to carry any knife, in the street as in airport ! ;)

But I remember something like that when I was about 9 years old ; I was on way to go to live in Madagascar, for 6 years, and had a backpack with few toys. And among them, I had a shuriken ! Well, it was more a toy in my hands, but it was a real steel one. And it makes ring the detector. So we had to open and unload all of the toys to discover what was the problem (I didn't know what was the problem, and my parents didn't know I had taken it with me !). Well, the airport staff understood we were not dangerous, and in order not to confiscate it, chose to put it in a special aircraft cabin, in order to get it back when landing ... I never recovered it ! After 14 hours of travel, 2 stopovers, no-one was able to say us were it was once arrived !
Well, it was not a Spyderco, but nearly the same value for a child ! I used to imagine who could have them (my brother had the same in his bag !) during a couple of years !

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Damon,

I feel for you.
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M2P wrote:But I remember something like that when I was about 9 years old ; ... I never recovered it !
I had a similar incident traveling through Japan on business several years ago. I was there setting up email servers for our Japanese offices. We travelled by train throughout Japan for about 12 days. A couple days set up and testing at each site then on to the next. I was traveling with the Tokyo office manager who handled all the reservations & translations as my Japanese was limited to "hello, goodbye, thanks you, and beer please" ;)

At the end of the trip we were flying back to Tokyo so I could catch my next flight (to Seoul) I had 12 days of dirty laundry in my duffel, software and various tools.

Airport security went nuts when they scanned my bag. My traveling companion had already gone ahead to check on our flight and I had no idea what they were looking for, and I was kind of embarrassed to have them raking through all that not too pleasant laundry ;) (literally, the only clean clothes I had left, I was wearing!)

Eventually we "communicated" they had seen my screwdrivers on the X-ray. I knew exactly where they were and retrieved them immediately. They were put in an envelope and given to the pilot. He had them at customer service in Tokyo before I even got there. Kind of amazing.

Talking to our office manager, I found out a JAL flight had recently been hijacked using a screwdriver held to a flight attendant's neck. The "ironic" thing is, back then, you were allowed to carry a small knife on an airplane and I had one in my pocket. They never cared at all about that. Just the screwdrivers.

Sorry for your loss, but you did the smart thing.

As much as I hate it, I never take knives when traveling abroad these days (I realize yours was accidental) It's just not worth the possible problems.

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M2P wrote:
Something "cool" here in France is that you could not have this issue, because it's not allowed to carry any knife, in the street as in airport ! ;)
Really?? I've been to France many times over the years, always carried one or two knives on my person.
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Well, that sucks. You can always grab another Endura, but I know it wont be the same. My Tenacious is all beat up and scratched, but it was my first Spydie, and I don't care if the thing rusted shut. I'm not getting rid of it. I can buy replacements all day, and none would be as special as that beater Tenacious. I did a lot with that knife, and it actually helped me out of a bad spot that had the potential to worsen to a life or death situation. So I understand why that knife was so special, and why no replacement will replace it.
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Wow, sorry for your loss. Considering the circumstances, you did the right thing. Nothing else let to do, other than to leave the airport, get a taxi to a PO and miss your flight. I would have been nervous as **** having that with my while inside the secured area of the airport. For the person suggesting he try to hide it in the restroom, can you imagine what would have happened if he made someone suspicious and got caught doing that? Wow.
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I caan only imagine- that must have felt like getting dumped
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I am sorry for your loss. I hope I will never experience that feeling. Sometimes I wonder what I would do in that situation. I wouldn't even want to give up my ladybug on my keychain let alone the knife in my pocket. Thank you for sharing your story.
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Bummer.

On two occasions I have hidden a knife in the airport and retrieved it upon return. Once wrapped in a napkin and stashed in a planter. Once in a waiting area chair cushion crack. I also forgot one in my dirty laundry in a carry on which was found at the xray, I was able to mail it to myself from the airport for around $15.
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Oh man my friend I am sorry for the loss. I agree with the others here, what a horrible feeling that must have been. Honestly, there should be some middle ground or they need to go case by case, but I know that would be difficult, instead of making blanket rules against carrying knives and tools onboard planes. Or they should at least guarantee that you can have it mailed back to your address or to the address of a trusted person. Didn't they do that originally at the airport?

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Sorry to hear about your loss, but I'm sure your wife was extremely proud of you for putting her well being and your honeymoon ahead of your Endura. Knives can be replaced, time with loved ones cannot. You made the right decision.
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Man I feel for you. I go to the Mayan Riviera every year, at least have for the last probably 8 years. Every year I take a Swiss army knife, Leatherman and a Spyderco Saver Salt. In fact I bought the Spyderco specifically to take to Mexico, its H1 the handle is bright, so it looks like a diving knife not a weapon and I keep it on me when I snorkel.

For Travel, I put it in my checked luggage in my shaving kit bag (zip tied in so it doesn't get stolen by customs) I have never had an issue, I guess not to say I won't but to this point I haven't and I just haven't worried about it. As far as I knew it was fine as long as it is in your checked luggage. Maybe next trip I will stick to a SAK or My Leatherman Juice and leave my Spyderco at home.
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Hi Damon,

Welcome to our forum and thanx for the support.

Sorry about your stress. Taz will contact you.

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earthman wrote:Really?? I've been to France many times over the years, always carried one or two knives on my person.
Well, the problem in France is that a knife is considered as a weapon that you cannot carry without legitimate reason. And for policemen, there's no legitimate reason ... So I'm almost sure that in front of a jury, you could defend yourself, with a (good) lawyer, and a good legitimate reason. But in the street, most of policemen won't examine if your reason is legitimate or not for ordinary citizen. If you're a worker, with your worker's clothes, perhaps they would tolerate if you carry a box cutter, or a knife.
The problem for an ordinary citizen, is that your knife would be confiscated, and you would have to pay a lawyer for getting back your knife. And it would cost more than the knife cost most of the time ;)

That's the reason why I almost never carry my favorite knives ... :( On a side note, the unique time I have been controlled and body-searched was in a train-station, carrying a rifle in a cover ! Not very discreet ! A sleazy guy was sat by me and have been searched too, carrying a knife. His knife have been confiscated for sure, and I have been able to take my train, after 20 minutes in the police station, my rifle document was in order !

Sorry Damonh for the off-topic ;)
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Heartbreaking loss man. I would like to think I would of hid it in the airport but under that pressure I might of panicked too.
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very unfortunate circumstances, at least now u have an excuse to get a new one ;)
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Well, remember to look on the bright side, at least you're not sitting in a Mexican jail. :eek:
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M2P wrote:Well, the problem in France is that a knife is considered as a weapon that you cannot carry without legitimate reason. And for policemen, there's no legitimate reason ... So I'm almost sure that in front of a jury, you could defend yourself, with a (good) lawyer, and a good legitimate reason. But in the street, most of policemen won't examine if your reason is legitimate or not for ordinary citizen. If you're a worker, with your worker's clothes, perhaps they would tolerate if you carry a box cutter, or a knife.
The problem for an ordinary citizen, is that your knife would be confiscated, and you would have to pay a lawyer for getting back your knife. And it would cost more than the knife cost most of the time ;)

That's the reason why I almost never carry my favorite knives ... :( On a side note, the unique time I have been controlled and body-searched was in a train-station, carrying a rifle in a cover ! Not very discreet ! A sleazy guy was sat by me and have been searched too, carrying a knife. His knife have been confiscated for sure, and I have been able to take my train, after 20 minutes in the police station, my rifle document was in order !

Sorry Damonh for the off-topic ;)
Thanks for the explanation, just to clarify, when I've been there I've been on holiday camping, either via motorcycle, camper van or just backpacking. I assume that a Policeman would see that I have a legitimate reason??

Apart from that, I thought that France had a more relaxed attitude to knives in general, many shops selling flick knives etc.

I guess that times are changing over there too. :(
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