Spyderco Knives vs Dangerous Animal Attacks!

[Sonny]

I read that a fellow did manage to kill a cougar that had attacked his son. It was a fairly small blade length, maybe 3" Spyderco. The rangers found the cat later; it had died of blood loss. But the cat's attention was centered on his son, and he stabbed it in the side of the chest.
Still, it worked. Forget it with a bear. maybe a 10" bowie.

[BadFish]

I read that a fellow did manage to kill a cougar that had attacked his son. It was a fairly small blade length, maybe 3" Spyderco. The rangers found the cat later; it had died of blood loss. But the cat's attention was centered on his son, and he stabbed it in the side of the chest.
Still, it worked. Forget it with a bear. maybe a 10" bowie.

Lol I love the Internet and stories you got the cat and spyderco part correct. If you do a search there's a thread about this and the attacker posted here. My memory is bad but the cat didn't die from the knife wound to his upper shoulder. I think it was a caly 3.5 also.

Good thread that was!

[BadFish]

I read that a fellow did manage to kill a cougar that had attacked his son. It was a fairly small blade length, maybe 3" Spyderco. The rangers found the cat later; it had died of blood loss. But the cat's attention was centered on his son, and he stabbed it in the side of the chest.
Still, it worked. Forget it with a bear. maybe a 10" bowie.

Lol I love the Internet and stories you got the cat and spyderco part correct. If you do a search there's a thread about this and the attacker posted here. My memory is bad but the cat didn't die from the knife wound to his upper shoulder. I think it was a caly 3.5 also.

Good thread that was!


Edit. Searched myself here it is http://www.spyderco.com/forums/showthre ... ght=Cougar Enjoy

[defenestrate]

I would not plan for any large game attack with a knife, though I'm sure I'd try to use one if it's all i had. preferably one in each hand, a Spyderhawk in RGEI and something with a regular blade shape like a Military or Manix2 n the other. The WASP knife (not a :spyder :) is specifically designed for shark attacks or similar and would leave the same brutal manner of wounds above water.. But if you get caught carrying one on your person under most circumstances, you would probably get in (possibly serious) legal trouble.

[defenestrate]

I would also note that a fixed blade knife with an easy means to attach well to a stick makes a potentially useful spear which is a bloody good thing if you are expecting to face something larger than you. These have been used for thousands of years against large and dangerous game.

But when it comes down to it, if I'm going out and expecting bears, the smart money is on paying attention and getting the **** out of the animals' way, followed by a firearm, followed far down the list with a knife. Remember most dangerous land game was born with knives (claws/teeth), and they don't have to remember how to use them.

[chuck_roxas45]

The Ka-bar brand is supposed to come from some mountain man saying he "kilt a baar".

[JD Spydo]

I would also note that a fixed blade knife with an easy means to attach well to a stick makes a potentially useful spear which is a bloody good thing if you are expecting to face something larger than you. These have been used for thousands of years against large and dangerous game.

But when it comes down to it, if I'm going out and expecting bears, the smart money is on paying attention and getting the **** out of the animals' way, followed by a firearm, followed far down the list with a knife. Remember most dangerous land game was born with knives (claws/teeth), and they don't have to remember how to use them.

Def I agree with you 1000% on what you just said>> especially that last paragraph. A lot of young guys who are in great shape and who do lift weights and participate in major sports don't even know what they would be up against with any wild cat i.e. mountain lions, jaguars, leopards ect,.. Like I said before even Chimpanzees that are not known to be dangerous predatory animals are 4 times as strong as a football player. So that will give you a clue as to how strong and fierce a Grizzly Bear, Polar Bear, Mountain Lion, wolf or any will animal could be.

We've had instances here in Missouri USA where guys have approached deer that they shot they thought were dead but got kicked and sometimes even died from the trauma sustained. Even the smaller black bears are nothing to mess with. Just look at all the people that get mauled every year by domestic dogs for that matter. And I can guarantee you that most of the wild animals I mentioned could overpower a domestic dog with ease.

I'm not at all saying that the knife is completely useless because if you happen to get into a situation with a dangerous wild animal use anything you can to defend yourself against it. But don't count on any knife to be your saviour against an animal that has many times the strength and weapons a human has. Thank God for guns when it comes to defending yourself.

Making noise and staying where you can safely see around you is probably one of your best strategies for avoiding a potentially lethal encounter with a wild animal.

[Bill1170]

Bear spray is considered more effective on grizzly bears who charge than most firearms are. As Louis and Clark discovered two centuries ago, grizzlies are very difficult to kill. They're even harder to kill so they die quickly.

A fixed blade with a long pointy blade that can reach vital organs is the best shot if tangling with big game. No, thanks.

[jnichols2]

My favored approach is an "empty hand" method my father learned from Davy Crocket.

1. Wail till the bear opens his mouth to growl or bite.
2. Put your hand in his mouth, reach as far in as your arm length allows, then grab ahold.
3. Quickly withdraw your arm and yank him inside out.
4. Don't try this on the snake.

[d.2.the.p]

What about a gun that shoots knives???

[Jim Malone]

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[BAL]

What about a gun that shoots knives???

...or a knife that shoots bullets. Of course, the ammo would be hard to find and
some politicians would try to outlaw them and close the gun show loop hole.

[SpyderScout]

Something else: Please share the various tactics and methods, in using said knives, would be most effective in fighting off wild beasts.

Example: Say I'm in the back country and I'm charged by a full grown grizzly, and all I have on me is a Pacific Salt folder. Would I make a loud "rarrrr" noise at him and try to go for the bear's throat, or the legs, or what? That sort of thing. Like with sharks I heard you would want to go for the gills and eyes and nose.

Spyderco PINGO.

I can actually throw my Pingo (the knife) with a fair amount of precision.
Were I to encounter an irate Grizzly, I would throw the Pingo at the beast, as its poised on the hind legs for a bear hug.
I would aim for the soft and protruding nose of the bear.
The sharp shock of the knife handle hitting the sensitive nose would make the eyes of the bear water.
The bear would be distracted by the pain and its vision being blurred.
Thats when I make my move!!
When the bear would be able to see again, I would already have a fair distance away.
At that point, I would hope that the bear had ate so many Doritos when scavenging camp sites, that it might suffer a terminal heart failure from laughing at the sight of a not very elegant dude yelling at the top of his voice like a little girl whilst going full tilt through the trees with flailing arms.

[Sharpend]

If I had no other choice but to use a knife, I'd go with:

1. Warrior
2. Warrior
3. Warrior
4. Warrior
5. Warrior
6. Warrior

But I much prefer dispatching attacks from a distance when possible.

Warrior ... absolutely. But I will also carry my Cold Steel Natchez Bowie too:-)

[SpyderScout]

Warrior ... absolutely. But I will also carry my Cold Steel Natchez Bowie too:-)

Good luck taking on a bear :)




I'll stick to the running, yelling and general flailing of arms :D

[Sharpend]

SpyderScout,
Thanks for posting these pics... :eek: otherwise I might get myself killed.
Think of paying so much for the Cold Steel Natchez, I could have bought the Rock Salt instead :-(
In that case, I will continue to use my trusty Fehrman Final Judgement and the Warrior as secondary backup :-)

BTW, under what circumstance did the Natchez failed?

[Bladekeeper]

Chimpanzee are contrary to belief in the wild very aggressive animals I have met the owner of the worlds largest gorilla and chimp collection in his zoo a few times.
In the wild chimps will often form gangs and target another chimp they are organised , tactical and terrifying they also beat trees like drums during the chase , once they capture it they will kill it and eat it.
They also eat other monkeys search it on YouTube if you don't believe me as for the strength an alpha chimp has the estimated strength of ten adult men.
The above zoo I mention a child had his arm torn completely off by a chimp he managed to get between a barrier and put his arm through.
As for the wasp knife its a bit of a joke as shark behaviourists know most sharks won't attack if it has a clear vision that its not mistaking humans for its usual prey.
There is something called tonic where a chain mail glove is used to redirect the electro field sharks put out causing them to be put in a trance.
Again videos on YouTube show a 15ft tiger shark being trances and balanced on a divers hand vertically its quite amazing the wasp knife s weapon isn't the actual blade so I'd discount it , although it would cause instant death if used near organs.
Again footage shows it exploding melons with similar force to a magnum but in a different way.

Also forgot to mention a relative of mine was attacked by an English bull terrier it ripped his calf muscle off and swallowed it in front of him.
He had a glass milk bottle he just brought from the local shop and broke it and stabbed the dog several times, it did nothing .
The dog only let go when the shopkeeper who had saw what was happening poured a boiling hot kettle of water on it that was about 30lb of dog.
Imagine what a Kodiak bear could do I don't think unless serious luck was on your side a knife would help , the snake thing ok I can agree you could chop a snake in half, with a decent blade.

[Bladekeeper]

SpyderScout,
Thanks for posting these pics... :eek: otherwise I might get myself killed.
Think of paying so much for the Cold Steel Natchez, I could have bought the Rock Salt instead :-(
In that case, I will continue to use my trusty Fehrman Final Judgement and the Warrior as secondary backup :-)

BTW, under what circumstance did the Natchez failed?

Chopping wildly at a cow carcass whilst being filmed for a cold steel promo :D

[SpyderScout]

SpyderScout,
Thanks for posting these pics... :eek: otherwise I might get myself killed.
Think of paying so much for the Cold Steel Natchez, I could have bought the Rock Salt instead :-(
In that case, I will continue to use my trusty Fehrman Final Judgement and the Warrior as secondary backup :-)

BTW, under what circumstance did the Natchez failed?

I believe the Natchez failed because the owner used it to baton wood and slammed on the handle/pommel.
So hardly the correct way to baton. My comment was tongue in cheek.
One one side, the Natchez is meant as the premier CS fighter and hammering on the handle/pommel is hardly good for most knives.
On the other hand, I dont personally care much for the design, though those defending it, find that it eliminates shock and vibrations from hurting ones hand.
In google pictures you search for 'damaged cold steel natchez' and if you scroll down a bit, you'll find the thread with the knife over on the CS forums.

[JD Spydo]

Everything that Bladekeeper has said in his post is 100% accurate. He is right that Chimpanzees in the wild are much more dangerous and aggressive than the chimps we see in zoos and circus type surroundings. And chimps may be the most viscious primate pound for pound on the entire planet>> not to mention they are incredibly intelligent and almost impossible to defend yourself from.

The other observations he makes including what domestic dogs can do is very sobering to say the least. So what I'm saying is>> Don't For One Second Believe That You Can Defend Yourself against such animals with a knife. Yes a knife can be helpful but it has it's limitations>> and against wild animals you need a gun or other serious weapon and then there's no guarantee.

I do like this thread and many of the comments that have been made.. But seriously folks GET REAL!!