Karahawk?

[Bladekeeper]

You're right there Sal but she's getting wise to it "you're looking great Hun" swimbo "okay what knife do you want now" :D .
I have to change tactics or get rich quick you got any vacancies at golden Sal ...please .

[Chipped Karambit]

Having spoke recently with relatives in s,e Asia and friends I have been told that although used for farming that version is longer and more curved .
The folding karambit a western design by its profile is derived more from the Filipino type of kerambit note the different spellings.
However one good long term friend in Thailand who owns a huge fruit farm has looked at this and stated it would be perfect for the workers who cut tamarin and lychee also other fruits.
So another use although I'm not sure how the blade steel would fair against the natural acids in these fruits as I'm a steel noob .

Ya but also some fixed blade karambits had a small blade so they could be easier hidden (I heard in hair sometimes, not sure how that worked) and you could easily conceal it making it harder to predict and defend against. Thats why I like smaller blades, faster and easier to control in my opinion.
As for the farming one, my teacher had a Minang Karambit that his wife used for gardening and scaring the ever loving **** out of me. Usually the steels from traditional ones are simple compositions that now of days seem to be going to 440c type of stuff while the combative westernized version is going to more of an edge performance.

Since that whole area shared a lot, I noticed a unique karambit from thailand once. I was told not to touch it which meant, it may have been coated (a lot of stuff in that area is coated sometimes like the Keris is) but it was a unique Karambit. Instead of a ring, it had a blade on top of two fingers locking it in, just thought that was something odd.

[chuck_roxas45]

I dunno if this qualifies as a karambit but it is an agricultural implement. It's very useful for pull cuts. It's made from leaf springs.

[chuck_roxas45]

I dunno if this qualifies as a karambit but it's an agricultural implement and it's very useful for making pull cuts. Some forms of eskrima incorporate it's use in their style.

[Chipped Karambit]

I dunno if this qualifies as a karambit but it's an agricultural implement and it's very useful for making pull cuts. Some forms of eskrima incorporate it's use in their style.

Yup, thats one. Usually with a ring to help hold it so they can use their fingers with it. I found that Kali, Escima, and Silat have a lot of leakage in techniques since they were so close around.

[chuck_roxas45]

Yup, thats one. Usually with a ring to help hold it so they can use their fingers with it. I found that Kali, Escima, and Silat have a lot of leakage in techniques since they were so close around.

I never saw one with a ring on the handle where I am though.

[Bladekeeper]

This version has a longer blade than the farming ones I've seen but I suppose its relevant to what you're harvesting the ones I recall had almost a right angle L shape with a curve at the handle base.
The shorter ones had a blade that resembled a cats claw in a almost horn like shape which had no taper and no spine.
The locale of Malaysia and Indonesia means that establishing origin would be almost impossible and logically would think the Philippines would have a less varied style that maybe truer .
For instance Borneo is half Malaysian and Indonesian the styles of blades there are more similar than what you'd find from java in comparison to Penang.
The e-nap from Thailand seems another hybrid that shares qualities with other well known blades I have seen many people mistake khukri for e-nap and vice versa.
It would be good to get some historical references that show early blades without any conflict ion as to the origins I'm sure all would share similar attributes owing to form and function.

Chuck a quick search I have just done refers to a kerambit worn in the hair like a pin although these have rings and seem more similar to push dagger types , only with a curved blade.
They are all referred to as kerambits though.
Maybe there is a difference however you would have seen statements that claim kerambits to be women's defence blades this could well be where that notion comes from.

[Chipped Karambit]

I never saw one with a ring on the handle where I am though.

That's, for me, the most powerful aspect of a karambit because it gives it some unique attributes. I have a trainer that I just flip full speed until the base of my index is red just for fun. Think of it from a combative perspective as a extra retention device so you don't drop as well as a knuckle. Then for farming, You can hold a bushel with on hand, cut then work the fingers to pull stuff out if needed without dropping

Chuck a quick search I have just done refers to a kerambit worn in the hair like a pin although these have rings and seem more similar to push dagger types , only with a curved blade.
They are all referred to as kerambits though.
Maybe there is a difference however you would have seen statements that claim kerambits to be women's defence blades this could well be where that notion comes from.

I am not sure the details about the hair part, just heard it in passing and was kind of confused (walked into a door from trying to process that if I remember right)

[Bladekeeper]

Do some research on the historical aspects of karambit and written records of this its certainly true perhaps the first use age of this was developed for women.
Given that the workers harvesting crops and fruit etc dating back would have been women it is quite probable , although such records , specifically in third world countries are few.
A type that could be hidden yet easily accessible eg not kept inside clothing or under garments then a hair worn piece seems very credible.

[chuck_roxas45]

That's, for me, the most powerful aspect of a karambit because it gives it some unique attributes. I have a trainer that I just flip full speed until the base of my index is red just for fun. Think of it from a combative perspective as a extra retention device so you don't drop as well as a knuckle. Then for farming, You can hold a bushel with on hand, cut then work the fingers to pull stuff out if needed without dropping




I am not sure the details about the hair part, just heard it in passing and was kind of confused (walked into a door from trying to process that if I remember right)

Yeh, I see your point but won't there be a danger of breaking your finger if while you're doing a spinning attack and your blade if struck hard or is trapped?

[KBar666]

All I have to add to this is , I vote yes on a making black ones please.

Also as Mr Janich have already spoken to. Indeed FB Kbits have many advantages.

But in my mind, for what its worth Folding ones still have a place and purpose. Just as everything else.

[sal]

Great info being shared. Thanx. Looking forward to the discussion once the model comes out. Especially since the model wasn't designed to be "traditional".

sal

[SeriousStudent]

Will there be a trainer? I am very interested in purchasing both a live blade and a drone.

Thanks very much, I am definitely looking forward to this one.

[Bladekeeper]

Maybe a traditional larger style to add to the ethnic series that you have produced in the last few Sal that would be one interesting fixed spydie.

[chuck_roxas45]

Will there be a trainer? I am very interested in purchasing both a live blade and a drone.

Thanks very much, I am definitely looking forward to this one.

Hhhmmm a drone blade in metal with a blade shape like that would still be extremely dangerous for sparring. Just IMHO.

[Bladekeeper]

+1 as Mj stated and my attempt at an explanation the techniques used for a lot of offensive and defensive moves use the dull portion to strike.
Also the disarm techniques are practical in a sense that practicing getting them right requires acute precise knowledge of how the blade, will move when applied .
A traditional disarm using the wrist of the attacker eg will result in you being cut owing to the dynamics the same goes for practicing counter disarming.
As chuck states and not just in striking but having somebody correctly counter your strike whilst having your finger in that ring can result in a broken finger , wrist , hand, and dislocation.
The only allowance would be compliance which would teach nada.

[Chipped Karambit]

Yeh, I see your point but won't there be a danger of breaking your finger if while you're doing a spinning attack and your blade if struck hard or is trapped?

Yup, but I learned in sparing, don't do fancy stuff if you don't need to. Fancier something is, the more complicated it is. The more complicated, the high room for error even with practice. It is usually easier to keep it in your hand as a basic (even though this can still have negative effects) unless you are practiced. Flipping a live karambit, even practiced, is not exactly the safest thing. since your wrist is within rotations. The unique shape makes it hard to grab someones wrist without them being able to hit you with the edge, but that also means it can hit you as well. It usually is just best to keep a folder with a firm grip. I am curious how the double layer ring will feel though.

Hhhmmm a drone blade in metal with a blade shape like that would still be extremely dangerous for sparring. Just IMHO.

I use a metal training blade. It just has to be blunted and dull with beveled edges so there is no corner.

This is the one I use and it is not as dangerious if you practice control. Sure if I rear back and punch someone in the face with it, IT WILL HURT, but control is something you have to learn even if its a wooden trainer

This kind of looks like the karahawk so if you need a trainer try that one if one is not produced

+1 as Mj stated and my attempt at an explanation the techniques used for a lot of offensive and defensive moves use the dull portion to strike.
Also the disarm techniques are practical in a sense that practicing getting them right requires acute precise knowledge of how the blade, will move when applied .
A traditional disarm using the wrist of the attacker eg will result in you being cut owing to the dynamics the same goes for practicing counter disarming.
As chuck states and not just in striking but having somebody correctly counter your strike whilst having your finger in that ring can result in a broken finger , wrist , hand, and dislocation.
The only allowance would be compliance which would teach nada.

+1

[chuck_roxas45]

Thanks for the info Chipped, that's enlightening. We do find that even wooden trainers are quite painful and will often draw blood. We use taped wrapped rubber cut from old flip flops to spar with.

[Bladekeeper]

In Indonesia java area I came across arrows , blow darts that were covered in the sweat and saliva of loris not the large slow loris but a smaller type.
These were used for hunting although their are many superstitions in that part of the world I would imagine knowing the Thais and having lived there.
That it would have been sacred by virtue of being blessed by a monk my aunt who is Thai had every one of her rooms blessed by monks.
They would leave small Buddhist statues tiny ones above doors and touching them was a big no no.
Although if very old it maybe poison coated but would guess that to be in the northern area bordering Burma etc interestingly I know a lot of Indonesian historical pieces are now being granted historical protection.
Malaysia Borneo and Indonesia have all been colonised but Thailand is unique in that it has not and a lot more history remains in tact in regards to artefacts .
I would make an educated guess and say you were asked not to touch as it was regarded sacred not dangerous whereas some blow darts I had turned out to be coated in venom.
Funny enough I blew some at friends they were only tiny but would stick in and sting but no one got sick there are still some places in Indonesia where tribal weapons are still made very much the same as they have been for eons.
Its mans oldest tool from flint to obsidian to Bronze Age tools to modern day steels its one of the few implements that has held a true form only changing in shapes and more specialised steel its a fascinating area and one that you could dedicate your life to and only scratch the surface.

[chuck_roxas45]

In Indonesia java area I came across arrows , blow darts that were covered in the sweat and saliva of loris not the large slow loris but a smaller type.
These were used for hunting although their are many superstitions in that part of the world I would imagine knowing the Thais and having lived there.
That it would have been sacred by virtue of being blessed by a monk my aunt who is Thai had every one of her rooms blessed by monks.
They would leave small Buddhist statues tiny ones above doors and touching them was a big no no.
Although if very old it maybe poison coated but would guess that to be in the northern area bordering Burma etc interestingly I know a lot of Indonesian historical pieces are now being granted historical protection.
Malaysia Borneo and Indonesia have all been colonised but Thailand is unique in that it has not and a lot more history remains in tact in regards to artefacts .
I would make an educated guess and say you were asked not to touch as it was regarded sacred not dangerous whereas some blow darts I had turned out to be coated in venom.
Funny enough I blew some at friends they were only tiny but would stick in and sting but no one got sick there are still some places in Indonesia where tribal weapons are still made very much the same as they have been for eons.
Its mans oldest tool from flint to obsidian to Bronze Age tools to modern day steels its one of the few implements that has held a true form only changing in shapes and more specialised steel its a fascinating area and one that you could dedicate your life to and only scratch the surface.

Huh?