dsmegst wrote:When I removed the lanyard bump off the Terzuola and refinished the butt end of that knife, the patterning and thickness between the layers were very even. If you look at the G-10/CF layering of the material shown in the link above, the layers are very different. The only difference I saw was between the top weaved layer and the rest of the material.
Think about the added complexity of having to fuze layers of different materials and the additional work that goes into it. Unless a CF/G10 composite offers some sort of structural advantage, why add useless complexity? It makes no sense to me.
I was merely refuting the claim that G-10 and CF don't adhere together well. I wasn't saying that all G-10/CF combinations would follow the same alternating layer pattern used in the specific illustration I provided. I suspect that the Taiwan CF is a thin layer of woven CF bonded on top of G-10 or similar submaterial. The lanyard bump on the Terzuola is likely made from the same 'other' material as the subsurface of the handles and not CF, which is why it would blend in.
The reason for bonding CF to a different material is that CF is very expensive and G-10 is not. Since carbon fiber is used in knife applications for appearance and surface texture (not particularly structural integrity), it makes sense to use it only on the surface and use a much cheaper material underneath. While it may cost a little bit to bond the two materials together, CF is expensive enough that the savings from using a cheaper material underneath more than pays for the bonding costs. In the end, you have a material that looks, feels, performs, and weighs like a pure CF handle scale, but at a much more affordable price.
Appler wrote:To riff off of Snoo's comments, not one OP on this subject has ever asked if it "matters". Only the people responding want to change the subject. All the OPs want to know is what their handle is made out of.
And BTW, of course it doesn't "matter"... when there are human beings all over the world at this very moment with flies crawling on them, nothing involving $100 knives does. People just want to know where their money went so they can decide whether or not they feel they got a good value.
If anyone thinks the Sage 1 isn't a good value, they either know nothing about knives, or they know nothing about value. I can't believe people are actually trying to make this an issue.
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araneae wrote:If anyone thinks the Sage 1 isn't a good value, they either know nothing about knives, or they know nothing about value. I can't believe people are actually trying to make this an issue.
I don't really think anyone is questioning whether or not the Sage 1 is a good value but rather why it is a good value and that reason may be due to the material(s) used in its construction.
I do believe Spyderco is an honest company. I do not think they are out to cheat us or bend us over in any way. However, I also believe business is business. In order to remain competitive, it's necessary to cut costs and reduce expense. If making the scales in a manner as is being discussed in this thread makes more economic sense for the company, I would fully understand.
This particular subject doesn't bother me as I trust Spyderco to deliver a great product at a fair price and that is what I have always received.
This is regularly a sub $100 knife and given the quality of build and materials is a bargain. I paid that much for pure Carbon Fiber scales for my Mini-Grip and if pure CF added even $30 to the price of a Sage it may have been a deal breaker for many.
Given that, it does bother me a bit that some folks feel it necessary to sort of poke fun, belittle or almost make someone feel ungrateful for asking a question.
Product description should say carbon fiber g10 mix.
:spyder: Paramilitary 2
:spyder: Bob Lum Tanto Sprint
:spyder: Anso Zulu
:spyder: Szabo Folder
:spyder: Delica ZDP-189
:spyder: SS Kiwi
:spyder: SS Bug set
And to think, I bought 2 of these things........quite happy with both. :) Jack it's because of you I own 2, When I found these on Amazon for $79 delivered I had to get another :) I had PM'd another forum member about these but they were gone by the time he read his PM.
Has anyone gotten any input on this G-10/CF issue from Spyderco? It is completely non important to me but still I think an accurate description is something we can expect.
I still don't understand why it is so important. Handle material has three basic purposes as I see it. Appearance, strength and grip. CF is supposed to be VERY strong. I understand it is used (in some form) in high performance cars to reduce weight. Even parts that take a lot of stress. A knife handle doesn't need that kind of strength I don't think. If CF is stronger than G-10, G-10 is still plenty strong enough so who cares if it is there as long as when you buy a knife advertised with a CF handle it LOOKS like CF because of at least a very thin layer of CF on top? Those are my thoughts anyway. I understand how some can feel stronger about this though. It's a matter of getting what you pay for and what you are told you are getting.
The main thing to me is if there is G-10 in there hiding it doesn't hurt anything and if it reduces cost so much the better.
I'm missing why this is even this much >||< of an issue...I may be dim, but this reads like asking a car company to label my blue vehicle as "blue with gray primer." :confused:
One more time and I'll leave the discussion Think scale spacer used to increase the handle thickness when the CF stock is not thick enough for the desired result. My Swick and Mule by Zack both have them. Non issue :confused: :o :) :D :) :confused:
Charlie
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dbcad wrote:One more time and I'll leave the discussion Think scale spacer used to increase the handle thickness when the CF stock is not thick enough for the desired result. My Swick and Mule by Zack both have them. Non issue :confused: :o :) :D :) :confused:
I'm with you on this.......non-issue and outa here.
Each knife is different and some have changed in the process.
sal
Thanks Sal. I have no problem with it at all, actually I think that is a very good idea!
:spyder: Paramilitary 2
:spyder: Bob Lum Tanto Sprint
:spyder: Anso Zulu
:spyder: Szabo Folder
:spyder: Delica ZDP-189
:spyder: SS Kiwi
:spyder: SS Bug set
Sorry to resurrect a semi-zombie thread, but just wanted to post that there has been some closure on the subject. Spyderco has updated their online catalog to list the following knives as being a CF/G-10 laminate:
Sage I
Chapperal
Navaja
Szabo
Chaparral
I never really cared how it was listed originally. I assumed they were a laminate and thought they were and still are great values. The top texture that is in contact with my hand was the most important aspect and the grip and looks offered by the Taiwan CF/G-10 laminate is one of my favorites. But kudos to Spyderco for listening to the complaints and giving a more detailed listing so that people can make a more informed decision when considering these models.
jabba359 wrote:But kudos to Spyderco for listening to the complaints and giving a more detailed listing so that people can make a more informed decision when considering these models.
This is why I love Spyderco so much. They listen to there customers and take the feedback in account! Great job Spyderco, I need to reward you by buying another knife :)
Current EDC: Techno, Squeak, Southard Flipper, Caly 3.5
Interesting to note that after multiple pages of accusations of deception and "other" comments, the number of people that acually sent back their knife for replacement or refund was zero, nada, zip. Not a single customer thought it was so important as to send in their knife. That does say something about the amount of "........" that can go on in the forums.
jabba359 wrote:
I never really cared how it was listed originally. The top texture that is in contact with my hand was the most important aspect and the grip and looks offered by the Taiwan CF/G-10 laminate is one of my favorites. But kudos to Spyderco for listening to the complaints and giving a more detailed listing so that people can make a more informed decision when considering these models.
+1 For me personally this is best looking CF. I can only wish that Spyderco would use the same in Golden and Japan.
sal wrote:That does say something about the amount of "........" that can go on in the forums.
sal
Sal,
I am sorry that you had to read all that. Forums are public places and there are variety of people there and on bigger forums and better chance to meet id*ots. Sorry.
this is the reason, why I am not as frequent on BF as here. Air is totally different.
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Think scale spacer used to increase the handle thickness when the CF stock is not thick enough for the desired result. My Swick and Mule by Zack both have them. Non issue :confused: :o :) :D :) :confused:
