Most Underrated Steels?
Most Underrated Steels?
What do you think are the most underrated steels? For me it's what I call good working steels, not the latest super steels. Don't get wrong though, I plan on getting more knives in VG-10, and 30V. Here's mine:
1. Gin-1(G-2)
2. AUS-8A(8A)
3. AUS-10(10A)
These to me are hard working steels(not wonder steels), that still get the job done! RKBA!
1. Gin-1(G-2)
2. AUS-8A(8A)
3. AUS-10(10A)
These to me are hard working steels(not wonder steels), that still get the job done! RKBA!
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Easy. Think back to the steels used in cheap, yet popular, working knives. They've been working for many moons, and continue to do so. The short list- 1095, Case CV/50100B/Carbon V, SAK Rostfrei, 420HC. Nothing complicated, but they WORK. <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
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I dident know that 52100b was used in cheap knives,never seen it on a cheap knife, anyway, I have always liked GIN-1 better than 6a or 8a, and have a benchmade mini tsek in the steel and it puts my ats-34 benchmades to shame, same goes for my spydes in this steel(old Ones). I also like good old 440a on work knives, it holds a decent edge and is a breeze to sharpen compared to the new stainlesses. Ats-55 is excellent and doesent get any credit, probibly because only spyderco uses it and they brought out vg-10 shortly after it, same goes for AUS-10A, it is a great steel also.
For me, it's not stainless steels at all. It's the high carbon and chrome vanadium tool steels. No one likes them now despite their qualities because they might rust (oh NO!) if you don't take care of them.
p.s. I don't know what alloy Victorinox uses for their SAK, but I believe "Rostfrei" simply means "rust free" aka stainless...
"We will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail." Oh well, I guess zero out of three isn't bad for Bush.
p.s. I don't know what alloy Victorinox uses for their SAK, but I believe "Rostfrei" simply means "rust free" aka stainless...
"We will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail." Oh well, I guess zero out of three isn't bad for Bush.
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Zrexxer:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:<hr height=1 noshade>I don't know what alloy Victorinox uses for their SAK <hr height=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE></font><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2>
There is no single supplyer regarding Victorinox folders. All depends on the World Market Prices on steel and availibility.
There are: Ugine (France), Krupp/Thyssen (Germany), in smaller quantities also Böhler (Austria) and Sandvik (Sweden).
Bonpertuis (France) is the main supplyer for steel in houshold and butcher knives.
The typical SAK steel is close to the German DIN 1.4110 or the US 440A, hardened to 55-56 RC. The butcher knives are even softer. Somewhere around 54 RC.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:<hr height=1 noshade>I don't know what alloy Victorinox uses for their SAK <hr height=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE></font><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2>
There is no single supplyer regarding Victorinox folders. All depends on the World Market Prices on steel and availibility.
There are: Ugine (France), Krupp/Thyssen (Germany), in smaller quantities also Böhler (Austria) and Sandvik (Sweden).
Bonpertuis (France) is the main supplyer for steel in houshold and butcher knives.
The typical SAK steel is close to the German DIN 1.4110 or the US 440A, hardened to 55-56 RC. The butcher knives are even softer. Somewhere around 54 RC.
~Paul~
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Hey wire- I was going off the Joe Talmadge Steel FAQ, which I've never had go wrong in the past.
Specifically, after cleaning up the format:
0170-6 - 50100-B - Case Chrome-Vanadium - Carbon V?
These are different designations for the same steel: 0170-6 is the steel makers’ classification, 50100-B is the AISI designation. A good chrome-vanadium steel that is somewhat similar to O-1, but much less expensive. The now-defunct Blackjack made several knives from 0170-6,
and Carbon V may be 0170-6. 50100 is basically 52100 with about 1/3 the chromium of 52100, and the B in 50100-B indicates that the steel has been modified with vanadium, making this a chrome-vanadium steel.
and
Carbon V
Carbon V is a trademarked term by Cold Steel, and as such is not necessarily one particular kind of steel; rather, it describes whatever steel Cold Steel happens to be using, and there is an
indication they do change steels from time to time. Carbon V performs roughly between 1095-ish and O-1-ish, in my opinion, and rusts like O-1 as well. I've heard rumors that Carbon V is O-1 (which I think is unlikely) or 1095. Numerous industry insiders insist it is 0170-6. Some spark tests done by a rec.knives reader seem to point the finger at 50100-B. Since 50100-B and 0170-6 are the same steel (see below), this is likely the current Carbon V.
Just my informed opinon. Reality may well vary. <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
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Specifically, after cleaning up the format:
0170-6 - 50100-B - Case Chrome-Vanadium - Carbon V?
These are different designations for the same steel: 0170-6 is the steel makers’ classification, 50100-B is the AISI designation. A good chrome-vanadium steel that is somewhat similar to O-1, but much less expensive. The now-defunct Blackjack made several knives from 0170-6,
and Carbon V may be 0170-6. 50100 is basically 52100 with about 1/3 the chromium of 52100, and the B in 50100-B indicates that the steel has been modified with vanadium, making this a chrome-vanadium steel.
and
Carbon V
Carbon V is a trademarked term by Cold Steel, and as such is not necessarily one particular kind of steel; rather, it describes whatever steel Cold Steel happens to be using, and there is an
indication they do change steels from time to time. Carbon V performs roughly between 1095-ish and O-1-ish, in my opinion, and rusts like O-1 as well. I've heard rumors that Carbon V is O-1 (which I think is unlikely) or 1095. Numerous industry insiders insist it is 0170-6. Some spark tests done by a rec.knives reader seem to point the finger at 50100-B. Since 50100-B and 0170-6 are the same steel (see below), this is likely the current Carbon V.
Just my informed opinon. Reality may well vary. <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
Never underestimate the impossible.