Thanx much for all of the input. All valuable. I'll study the info and then we can discuss if and how to move or not move on the concept.
Gail and I will be on the road for a while so communication will be sporadic.
sal
Edge Angle Guide AG1 - experiences and discussion
Thanks for listening. Be safe!sal wrote:Thanx much for all of the input. All valuable. I'll study the info and then we can discuss if and how to move or not move on the concept.
Gail and I will be on the road for a while so communication will be sporadic.
sal
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I spent a bunch of time with my small Jess Horn on it today on the angle guide...couldn't get a good measurement. I don't think it works well with small knives but its probably just me. Most of the bevel went in the little cutout slot so little contact was made with the angle part.
So how much does a goniometer cost?
So how much does a goniometer cost?
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Welcome, Please read the forum rules. Soliciting sales is prohibited.jimmybjj wrote:*Edited
There has been no talk about these for months. Hard to say if they will make more unless Sal chimes in.
So many knives, so few pockets... :)
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The "Spirit" of the design does not come through unless used. -Sal
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Greetings, dwellers of Spyderco forums!
My name is Ivan, I am a knife designer from Russia.
I am very pleased to know that angle gauge of my design was so warmly accepted by the community. The device was designed and produced first in Russia by me.
Some time ago at bladeforums.com Sal Glesser exhibited interest in the angle gauge. During discussion we initiated by email he was very interested in technical data of the device. Also there was a discussion about possible production of the Gauge by Spyderco with indication of designer's name on each item (now as we know the gauges come unsigned at all) and some royalty. After getting my answers with detailed answers on his technical questions, Sal Glesser stopped responding to my emails. As the device was produced by Spyderco, and since there are no other means contacting Sal (he does not respond to private forum messages either), I have no options but to post this public message.
I would like to request that he comments the above.
With the best regards RIA.
links for reference
http://talks.guns.ru/forummessage/5/218245.html
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showt ... 280-Zpd189
My name is Ivan, I am a knife designer from Russia.
I am very pleased to know that angle gauge of my design was so warmly accepted by the community. The device was designed and produced first in Russia by me.
Some time ago at bladeforums.com Sal Glesser exhibited interest in the angle gauge. During discussion we initiated by email he was very interested in technical data of the device. Also there was a discussion about possible production of the Gauge by Spyderco with indication of designer's name on each item (now as we know the gauges come unsigned at all) and some royalty. After getting my answers with detailed answers on his technical questions, Sal Glesser stopped responding to my emails. As the device was produced by Spyderco, and since there are no other means contacting Sal (he does not respond to private forum messages either), I have no options but to post this public message.
I would like to request that he comments the above.
With the best regards RIA.
links for reference
http://talks.guns.ru/forummessage/5/218245.html
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showt ... 280-Zpd189
Ivan,
Sal can ably answer for himself, but Spydercos contact information is plainly displayed on their website at http://www.spyderco.com/contact/. Lots of options on that page. There was no reason to air anything publicly. Certainly doesn't help your credibility with this community.
Sal can ably answer for himself, but Spydercos contact information is plainly displayed on their website at http://www.spyderco.com/contact/. Lots of options on that page. There was no reason to air anything publicly. Certainly doesn't help your credibility with this community.
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My thoughts as well...OTOH, if anyone wants to share in the losses that Spyderco almost certainly took by making these things, I imagine Sal would be OK with the idea.
(Spyderco made very few, charged very little, and as I recall they had to re-tool their shipping program to keep people happy on this deal. Logistics and handling probably made this whole endeavor a giant headache for Spyderco...I could be wrong).
Anyway, thanks for making them Sal!
(Spyderco made very few, charged very little, and as I recall they had to re-tool their shipping program to keep people happy on this deal. Logistics and handling probably made this whole endeavor a giant headache for Spyderco...I could be wrong).
Anyway, thanks for making them Sal!
Thanks,
Ken (my real name)
...learning something new all the time.
Ken (my real name)
...learning something new all the time.
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Yup, hate to tell ya RIA, but this one was a labor of love on Sal's part. I would highly doubt there are any "royalties" (in the black anyway) to be had from this venture.
That said, I'm sure Sal will either be along to address the issue, or more likely will contact you privately shortly.
That said, I'm sure Sal will either be along to address the issue, or more likely will contact you privately shortly.
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Hi Ivan,
Welcome to the Spyderco forum.
Kristi informed me of your post. I had a note going to you today, but I guess I can just post it here:
Hello Sal,
My name is Ivan, I designed the angle gauge that was produced by SPyderco (http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=583). Some time ago we inititated a discussion about possible production of the gauges of my design by SPyderco.
Despite the negotiations were not finished, and I did not receive any notifications, the gauges were produced and distributed.
While I understand that it is impossible to reclaim already produced gauges, I would like to receive designer's royalty, and demand that my name is stated on the product web-page on spyderco.com and all Spyderco forums devoted to this product.
Looking forward to your reply, Ivan.
Dear Ivan,
Happy New Year.
I received your email, thanx for writing. Sorry to be slow in getting back to you, we’ve been quite busy and my assistant has been on vacation. It also took a while to chase down the numbers.
Regarding the edge gauge, that is entirely my bad. We did a test on the unit, then I got to travelling and when I returned, the gauge completely slipped my mind. You have my sincere apology. Certainly it is one of the disadvantages of getting old and over committing on projects.
I owe you an update. We never went into production on the gauge. We redesigned the actual part that the edge went into. We added a slot at the base of the “V” for the edge to go in to. We thought that we should first test the idea in the marketplace. We felt that $20 MSRP would be a viable price. We made up the CAD files and cut up a sheet of steel with the parts. We ended up with 186 gauges. We engraved them, added tip guards connected by a chain.
While the overall cost of the test parts was quite a bit more than the MSRP, We would have had to make thousands of them to be able to keep the price reasonable and not being sure of reaction, we thought it better to lose money on a small test then to go into full production. We sold the pieces directly through our web-site store for $10 each with a limit to number purchased. We then had discussion on the forum about the unit. We received many emails from customers making suggestions as well as comments on the forum.
In the end, we determined that the gauge would need much improvement to satisfy the customer which was time and money we could not commit to the project. (magnifiers, eye protection, etc)
Assuming that we sold all 186, let’s figure 200, at $10 each, total sales would be $2,000. Normal royalties for our industry are 5%. 5% of $2,000 would be $100. I realize that it’s not much, but you are certainly due that royalty. If you would forward your mailing address to me, we’ll be pleased to send you a check. Joyce mentioned that we might have a couple of gauges in the marketing closet, if we do, I’ll send them to you as well. Again, my apologies.
best,
sal
Welcome to the Spyderco forum.
Kristi informed me of your post. I had a note going to you today, but I guess I can just post it here:
Hello Sal,
My name is Ivan, I designed the angle gauge that was produced by SPyderco (http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=583). Some time ago we inititated a discussion about possible production of the gauges of my design by SPyderco.
Despite the negotiations were not finished, and I did not receive any notifications, the gauges were produced and distributed.
While I understand that it is impossible to reclaim already produced gauges, I would like to receive designer's royalty, and demand that my name is stated on the product web-page on spyderco.com and all Spyderco forums devoted to this product.
Looking forward to your reply, Ivan.
Dear Ivan,
Happy New Year.
I received your email, thanx for writing. Sorry to be slow in getting back to you, we’ve been quite busy and my assistant has been on vacation. It also took a while to chase down the numbers.
Regarding the edge gauge, that is entirely my bad. We did a test on the unit, then I got to travelling and when I returned, the gauge completely slipped my mind. You have my sincere apology. Certainly it is one of the disadvantages of getting old and over committing on projects.
I owe you an update. We never went into production on the gauge. We redesigned the actual part that the edge went into. We added a slot at the base of the “V” for the edge to go in to. We thought that we should first test the idea in the marketplace. We felt that $20 MSRP would be a viable price. We made up the CAD files and cut up a sheet of steel with the parts. We ended up with 186 gauges. We engraved them, added tip guards connected by a chain.
While the overall cost of the test parts was quite a bit more than the MSRP, We would have had to make thousands of them to be able to keep the price reasonable and not being sure of reaction, we thought it better to lose money on a small test then to go into full production. We sold the pieces directly through our web-site store for $10 each with a limit to number purchased. We then had discussion on the forum about the unit. We received many emails from customers making suggestions as well as comments on the forum.
In the end, we determined that the gauge would need much improvement to satisfy the customer which was time and money we could not commit to the project. (magnifiers, eye protection, etc)
Assuming that we sold all 186, let’s figure 200, at $10 each, total sales would be $2,000. Normal royalties for our industry are 5%. 5% of $2,000 would be $100. I realize that it’s not much, but you are certainly due that royalty. If you would forward your mailing address to me, we’ll be pleased to send you a check. Joyce mentioned that we might have a couple of gauges in the marketing closet, if we do, I’ll send them to you as well. Again, my apologies.
best,
sal
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I remember the shipping issue. The shipping was about as high as the price for the tool. They came up with a blanket price for shipping for this tool. When I got mine in the mail the price on the package was higher than what they charged me. So, they even lost money on the shipping.unit wrote:My thoughts as well...OTOH, if anyone wants to share in the losses that Spyderco almost certainly took by making these things, I imagine Sal would be OK with the idea.
(Spyderco made very few, charged very little, and as I recall they had to re-tool their shipping program to keep people happy on this deal. Logistics and handling probably made this whole endeavor a giant headache for Spyderco...I could be wrong).
Anyway, thanks for making them Sal!
Jack
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I think the tool is a good idea but I had a couple of suggestions that would make it easier to use IMO. Where it fell short IMO was on thin blades where the bevels are very small. That just made it hard to read without a magnifying glass. One of my suggestions was to make a stand to hold the guide. That would free up both hands to hold the knife, magnifying glass, small flashlight, etc.
Happy New Year and Merry Christmas!
Good day Sal. Thank you for the reply.
I perferctly understand that different situations may happen and sincerely happy with such result of our cooperation. I will gladly accept one of the gauges by Spyderco into my knife collection, if possible.
My address and other information was sent to you by email.
Wish you luck in business and prosperity!
With the kindest regards, Ivan.
Good day Sal. Thank you for the reply.
I perferctly understand that different situations may happen and sincerely happy with such result of our cooperation. I will gladly accept one of the gauges by Spyderco into my knife collection, if possible.
My address and other information was sent to you by email.
Wish you luck in business and prosperity!
With the kindest regards, Ivan.