gb or sage 1

[Blerv]

will rem gun oil keep rust away?

Not sure about rem but Tuff glide is toxic and you said you were gonna use it on food prep. I would go with something like mineral oil.

k thanks does any one know if cpm m4 is brittle?

They make chopping knives for competition out of it. There are tougher steels and harder ones but M4 has a great mix. I think it's at least twice as tough as CPM-S30v if optimally heat treated.

[DeathBySnooSnoo]

M4 is not brittle...it is tougher than S30V by a lot, tougher than s35V...probably tougher than any other steel that Spyderco has used. It can chip at very low angles...but those seem pretty rare. At 30-40 degrees I doubt that you would see anything chippy happening.

[kawr]

k thanks does any one know if cpm m4 is brittle?

Where the did you hear that from? There's a reason why M4 is usually the steel of choice for most competition choppers. They are very tough and hold an edge.

[knife nut404]

Where the did you hear that from? There's a reason why M4 is usually the steel of choice for most competition choppers. They are very tough and hold an edge.

i heard it on youtube looking at the sage 1 and gb.

[Blerv]

i heard it on youtube looking at the sage 1 and gb.

Even S30v isn't "brittle". Some people with thin edges chip it so it's deemed with the stigma. It's actually pretty dang tough. Similarily people say VG-10 "doesnt chip, it rolls" which is a generalization because I've chipped it before in what I would consider normal use.

CPM-M4 is a high speed tool steel. It's designed for machining other steel pieces if I recall correctly. Like mentioned above it will chip if you thin it out and try to cut stupid things or twist/torque using it. With a normal factory edge it's extremely tough though.

I'm sure there is someone out there who could chip a folder made with S7, 3v or 5160 spring steel. They would be doing something really stupid though and would likely blame the heat treat.

[knife nut404]

what is the best price i can find both of these at and where? thank you

[bada61265]

i am carrying my sage 2 at the moment but id be hard pressed to give up my GB if i had to choose between the two. as far as chipping goes ill say this about m4. it doesnt chip. not like s30v can anyway. ive chipped s30v. M4 the worst ive done to my GB is cutting off a zip tie from a police 3 i put a small ding into the gb blade and left a deep cut mark on the spine of the police 3. the cut mark was full width of the spine, the ding on the gb blade was barely a speck. it polished itself out after a couple sharpenings, under magnification it looked like a dent not a chip. made me wonder if i could carve a vg10 blade from a steel blank using m4. :D

[DCDesigns]

i heard it on youtube looking at the sage 1 and gb.

Well, youtube is one of the most abundant sources of misinformation out there. Was it a neptuneknives vid? wouldnt doubt it... I would go as far as to say that when it comes to spyderco and its steels, if it isn't said and verified on this forum, take it with a grain of salt. In fact when it comes to steels, if its not said by the Mastiff, or J Ankerson, (or one of the many other knowledgeable guys on here) I tend to question it. We really do have some steel gurus among us.

Just for future "I heard's", -there are only a couple of people on youtube that REALLY know what they are talking about when it comes to steel. Not everyone with a camera and an opinion has all their facts straight. Sure there are people that know a TON about knives out there, but the subject of steel is a different story.

There are many different aspects of steel that need to be weighed before you know what steel is best for the job. When you ask if a steel is weak, brittle or strong, you have to understand these aspects, and how the effect the final product. Hardness, toughness, strength, and wear resistance are all independent variables that affect various attributes of the steel. To the layman, they might all sound like they describe the same thing. There are just a hand full of people making videos on youtube that can describe each of these aspects, and understands how they interrelate.

So you see, its hard to just say one steel is better than the other, or this one steel is too brittle, because there are many different things that must be weighed before answering. As far as knife steels go though, you wont find one the "breaks easily," and you can rest assured anything with a :spyder: on it is a quality steel.

For more of your reading pleasure on the subject of better under standing knife steels: http://zknives.com/knives/articles/knifesteelfaq.shtml

You hang out here long enough, you will be well learned

[1623]

what is the best price i can find both of these at and where? thank you

There are many great vendors out there and I think quite a few forumites here have a preferred dealer that they frequent.

Personally, I feel that Jeff at Cutlery Shoppe is hard to beat for both price and perhaps more importantly, service, which is why he gets all of my business.

Look around at some other dealers though and make an informed decision; here are a handful for you to check out using the GB for the links:

http://www.cutleryshoppe.com/search.asp ... le+bradley

http://www.knifeworks.com/search.aspx?f ... le+bradley

http://www.bladehq.com/cat--All-Items-- ... ey?x=0&y=0

http://www2.knifecenter.com/item/SP134C ... -7-16-inch

http://www.tacticaldefender.com/advance ... ey&submit=

http://www.gpknives.com/spyderco-gayle- ... fiber.html

http://www.howesknifeshop.com/index.php ... le+bradley

http://newgraham.com/store/search.asp

http://www.whitemountainknives.com/prod ... andle.html

http://www.thespydercostore.com/SearchR ... Search.y=0

http://www.poorfish.com/p-15325-spyderc ... 34cfp.aspx

[Mud Shrimp Moe]

GB versus Sage 1 is also my quandry right now. Leaning toward the GB after this thread. The appearance of the knife didn't grab me much on first sight. But it's growing on me. And I've seen some non-stock photos that flatter it a lot better than the stock photos do.

[jroc]

I don't have a GB but I have a Sage 1 (just got it saturday...love it). The GB is still on my list of knives to get. The only thing I don't like on the GB is the handle. It looks extremely dangerous if your hand should slip. The CF scales have texture but they are a far cry from the grippiness of g10. On the Sage you don't have to worry about grip because of the excellent choil with gimping. I do like the blade shape a bit more on the GB but the Sage is an excellent slicer. I saw a review on youtube saying that there was some kind of raised/rough grind on the blade face. Mine is smooth as butter so maybe it was early batches that had this problem. Oh and I prefer the wire clip over the standard spyderco hourglass clip. It allows for deeper pocket carry and is extremely stealthy. If anyone saw it at all they would almost certainly conclude it was from a pen and not a knife.

[chuck_roxas45]

Something to think about....

[jackknifeh]

which knife? it will be used for edc tasks and mabye a little food prep i am not worried about patina. never had a carbon fiber knife before so what is the diffrence compared to g10?

Possibly as hard a decision to make on Spyderco knives as there is. I like to carry both. Sage 1 in my pocket and GB on my belt. Either will work in my pocket but I prefer smaller. Now I have a Chaparral so it replaces the Sage 1 in my pocket when I carry the GB also. Chaparral and GB is a great pair for EDC if you like to carry two. Having two knives comes in handy I think. Some jobs are easier to do with a small knife and some need a larger or stronger knife. If I could only have one EDC knife it would be the Sage 1. I seldom need the strength of a GB and if I do I have other knives or tools. Then again I have carried (and will again I'm sure) the GB alone.

Jack
PS
About Tuf-Glide and food. I wouldn't play a drinking game with it but here is a quote from their web site found in FAQ:
http://www.sentrysolutions.com/mm5/merc ... ode=SENTRY

Q: Can I use my TUF-CLOTH treated knife to cut food?

A: None of Sentry Solutions products are FDA (Food and Drug Administration) approved. TUF-CLOTH's protection bonds to metal surfaces. This bonding reduces the possibility of transferring material to food items that might be cut. If you plan to cut food with a TUF-CLOTH treated blade, we suggest that you wash the blade first.

[Mud Shrimp Moe]

Chuck, your pic of the Gayle Bradley is so pretty, much nicer that most of the stock pics I've found at retailers!

And, pardon the silly question, but where (other than mail order) can one buy Tuff-Glide or Tuff-Cloths?

[chuck_roxas45]

Chuck, your pic of the Gayle Bradley is so pretty, much nicer that most of the stock pics I've found at retailers!

And, pardon the silly question, but where (other than mail order) can one buy Tuff-Glide or Tuff-Cloths?

Thanks MSM, but credit goes to the GB. I just clicked and it's natural beauty came through.

And I too, am looking for some place to buy some Tuf-glide from. :D

[kadinh]

get both + a caly 3 CF

[mwmccormick]

I have both and would easily recommend the GB. The Sage is great but the GB is in a class of it's own.

[Jet B]

Personally, the GB is too heavy for my preference as an edc. I carry my Sage for edc when I want something smaller than my para 2.

Those two knives are in completely different size/weight categories so that should help you decide which is best for your needs. The elegant, rustable tank or the slick rust resistant sports car.

[gbelleh]

The Sage 1 and GB are both great. If I had to pick one, it would be the GB. But that's based on my preferences. I prefer the blade shape and size of the GB, it's very solidly built, and I don't mind the extra weight. But it depends on what's important to you. Lighter and smaller vs. a bit larger and heavier. But, you can't really go wrong.

[kadinh]

also:

i like the sage 1, but i LOVE the GB.