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Spirit of the law, not the letter of the law

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I'm slaughtering the actual meaning of that phrase to draw a parallel.

I think this is a great thread by Kristi. The spirit of the forums should be helpful and devoid of egos. The intent should be PG humor and not insulting.

This said some people start or join conversations on topics that are fierce in nature. Politics, manufacturing and outsourcing, F&F, W&R, etc. These conversations are generally about as safe as a refereed Rugby match. :rolleyes:

If the intent is malicious then it should be smote by the hand of Zeus. If offense was taken it's up to every responsible (hopefully 18 years old as it adheres to many forum agreements) person to filter these without the luxury of non-verbals that make up 70% of communication. Sometimes people who have opinions are met with people who have opinions too. Sometimes people who mean well type with hooves...forum speak a very difficult language to learn.

Communication is a double-edged sword and it's sharp as can be. There is a difference between a debate and a schoolyard fight. Most people get through high school without ever getting in a fight and others find them like magnets.

In most cases fights take two people. Apologies and the /ignore feature go a long way toward enjoying internet forums. Even the best of them.

I'm out of metaphors :( . Love all of yas! :D
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[CENTER]"Do to others as you would have them do to you."[/CENTER]

Jordan, You and others like you are the salt of the Forums.



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#63

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Sorry your feelings were hurt Spyderbro. :(

I doubt people keep track of who posts this or who posts that. They don't look at post count before laying into you. I've had wild dogs going at my throat for pages before...like this year. It usually happens after a political soap box moment. :(

The thing to keep in consideration is that internet forums range from evil to slightly coarse. This one is like 2,000 grit sandpaper most the time. You could make a pillow case out of it :) ! That's not to say it won't occasionally bite or that a person may be having a particularly sour day. 1 or 5 bad people can't spoil a forum for the other 1,000+ gentle folks.

I encourage everyone to try and not separate into groups. "Them, they, those guys, trolls, fanboys" etc. Just because people band together occasionally on a viewpoint doesn't mean it's a gang dynamic. It doesn't mean you are on the outside and they aren't.

You like knives, they like knives. It's all good knife bro. :D
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#64

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Hmm... compelling, thank you for the response spyderbro. If I may though, some of the perceived cliquishness you observe may not be what you think. One of the most common responses (or the one I see the most) to new posters asking a question is a request for the poster in question to familiarize themselves with the search function. The reason for that is simple, many a battle has been fought here amongst the "in crowd". After a while... the opinions of people with post counts in the thousands tends to homogenize a little. Newer posters that weren't "present" for the aforementioned battles might think that these opinions are standard groupthink without realizing that they are the end result of painful and vitriolic compromise. As a result, when someone signs up and asks a question that somebody spent 14 pages answering 6 months prior... well, sometimes the response might seem a bit gruff :p . Also, after hammering out post after post of minutiae concerning the relative benefits of VG-10 and S35V and FINALLY coming to an agreement on whatever minor point was up for debate... parties to the compromise are likely to think that that decision is the final word on the matter, causing them to respond to the brand new poster who asks which is better in an... overly authoritative manner ;) . As far as someone telling you not to tell them what to think... you probably shouldn't :p . Anyway, point being, I think new posters should realize that what may appear to be "older" forumites disregarding their knowledge base concerning knives may ACTUALLY be "older" forumites assuming that new posters don't know anything about the forum... not an excuse for bad behavior, certainly, but a factor.

My outlook is colored by having been present, and even having participated in some of these skirmishes. So where you see a clique, I see a collection of avatars that have frequently been at odds. Or, if you will, individuals rather than a group. This category of members (people who have been around for long enough for me to develop a sense of their personalities, I guess) have their own idiosyncratic tendencies. JD, to pick on him for a moment, is pretty into conspiracy theories, Ankerson tests knives like they owe him money, Doc is a bit of a mystic at times, the Deacon is as crotchety as he is knowledgeable (which is to say, very :p ), Seq is the ultimate skeptic, and I am prone to typing entire diatribes prior to completing a thought (that's a diplomatic way for me to say that I am kind of an asshat sometimes :D ). Those are the ones that come to mind... the rest of the in crowd has it's own oddball quirks that you pick up on over time. The only reason this collection of personalities isn't constantly bickering is that we've all realized that none of us is going to retreat from the forum, so we have to be polite to each other to keep the peace :p .

I guess what I'm trying to say is that, spyderbro, (and by adjunct all new members that manage to get through this incomprehensible mess of a post to this point) your concerns are merited and understandable. Nobody likes to feel disrespected, even on the internet. But, I don't see any cure for what ails ya aside from sticking it out for a while. It takes a while for people to accept that you have the knowledge that you have... especially on the internet where you can claim anything. Wikipedia makes for a pretty good pretend PhD, know what I mean :D . Given time, the people who have stuck it out learn your quirks and you learn theirs and then you are in the "in crowd" too... it's not a popularity contest here, it is a longevity contest :p :p . Until then, know that we (or at least myself... as that is the only person I am currently authorized to speak for :p ) value your input and presence. This forum would get rather boring without new blood.
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So what you're saying is, this forum needs more of my antics to keep people in good humor. :cool:

I'll have to stop by more often, been missing this forum anyway.
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smcfalls13 wrote:So what you're saying is, this forum needs more of my antics to keep people in good humor. :cool:

I'll have to stop by more often, been missing this forum anyway.
Wow Scott, long time no see. Glad to see you back around :)
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Seems a sad bit of business such a post was even necessary... eh. C'est la vie, I guess.

I just joined because I love the product Sal and company put out; solid quality, very intuitive, user-friendly, and forward-thinking. I understand some people may not agree with my interpretation of "what makes a good knife" and the like, and I may not agree with them, but it would never occur to me to bash them for it- though I have been accused of being opinionated in the past (at least, according to four out of five ex-girlfriends recently polled). But I figure, here on the forums, opinions are like Sypderco knives- everyone's got one! And we're all entitled to ours, even if yours should run totally counter to my mode of thinking.

In short, I think Kristi's comments are dead-on, though I deplore the circumstances that make them necessary.
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smcfalls13 wrote:So what you're saying is, this forum needs more of my antics to keep people in good humor. :cool:

I'll have to stop by more often, been missing this forum anyway.
Certainly couldn't hurt. :) Welcome back Scott!
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I for one think the infraction feature NEEDS to be enabled. There are certain people on here that will not be reasoned with, and something is needed between not doing anything, and out right banning them.

Sometimes the herd may need to be thinned to keep the rest happy. Im sure those of us who abide by the rules will not have a problem if those who break them are punished...
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It might be worth the reminder, the forum has an Ignore feature that anyone can use. I strongly suggest using it when there is a member that someone does not wish to interact with. The feature is under the User CP section, Settings and Options, Edit Ignore List.
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Yup, that ignore feature is like a vacation on a nice quiet island!
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I don't think this posting is a bad idea. I think the nature of a forum will bring out the bad side of some people. I think we have all seen some of our worst sides come out on forums.

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unit wrote:Yup, that ignore feature is like a vacation on a nice quiet island!
You're not supposed to put everyone on it!! :p
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Right On, TAZ!!! Some say i have an attitude!! but never on here :D
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Jay_Ev wrote:Thank you for that, Kristi. I can tell you that I no longer post or participate here as frequently and mostly just lurk now for the exact reasons you mention.

I hope the newcomers don't get chased away, they are an important part of the community.
Well said Jay,I can relate to that. And thank you Kristi for bringing this to attention.
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I find the ignore feature an interesting beast. I have the utmost respect for anyone who chooses to use it. Personally, I will not. We do not get that luxury in the real world so I tend to just weed through the posts that create ire.

I have been here for years and have always enjoyed the forum. Don't post here as much as I used to for several reasons. I am still a Spyderco nut but have started collecting/using many other brands as well.

My dad died last month after a 10 year fight with Alzheimer's so I have been super busy trying to see that Mom (who has Alzheimer's) is taken care of and gets all the benefits that dad put in place for her.

Fighting with insurance companies, social security, VA and GM pension has not exactly brought out the best of ones human nature... But, I digress.

The main reason I do not post as much is that no matter how long I have been here and no matter how much I posted, I never felt like I was inside the forum. Felt more like standing outside looking in.

Can't really explain it and I got kind of tired of trying. No hurt feelings or anything like that. Just never felt like I fit in. Still love Spyderco and the forum, just have expended my energy in areas that have become more reciprocal.

Kristi it's too bad that you have had to put up this thread to remind people to conduct themselves properly. This is one of the things that I always respected most about this forum, it's ability to self govern.

As is life, things go in cycles. Still, a very respectful board with a bunch of great folks. Ultimately in life we cannot control anything but our own actions. People will be people and sometimes it's not pretty.

Real stupid analogy that I shared recently elsewhere. My Mother was very Christian. A true Southern Baptist. Growing up I remember she was always donating money to televangelists, much to my chagrin.

When the big scandal came out over Swaggart having prostitutes in hotel rooms, we were sitting around one day talking. In my often caustic way I asked her how it felt to know she was giving money to a man to pay for taking prostitutes to hotel rooms.

She looked me dead in the eye and said, "I gave that money in the spirit of God, what he chooses to do with it is on him." Well needless to say I felt about 2 inches tall. But in that moment I realized that if we always do the right thing, and for the right reasons, we are always taking a journey on the right path.

Carry on Spydernuts! :)
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Prayers and condolences sent for you and yours, Bluntrauma.
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Bluntrauma wrote: The main reason I do not post as much is that no matter how long I have been here and no matter how much I posted, I never felt like I was inside the forum. Felt more like standing outside looking in.

Can't really explain it and I got kind of tired of trying. No hurt feelings or anything like that. Just never felt like I fit in. Still love Spyderco and the forum, just have expended my energy in areas that have become more reciprocal.

Carry on Spydernuts! :)
I know exactly what you are saying. Being an Australian we might as well be from a different planet than you mob & I find the Aussie sense of humour & lingo not understood in the most part here.
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