Lion Spy

[Chris_H]

Keep in mind that this model is being produced in Europe. The US Dollar has been and remains extremely weak versus the Euro.

Currency exchange rates affected pricing of Spyderco models in the past, an example being the Rock Lobster (Seki, Japan).

[hunterseeker5]

Then again, perhaps you're jumping to conclusions again. It's possible that, unlike most collaboration models where Spyderco has at least some, and often considerable, investment in R&D and is the one fronting the money for the project, their only connections with this one are licensing of the Spyderhole and name and marketing it through their dealer network and that LionSteel is funding this project and setting the price.

So you are saying that spyderco is putting its name on a product into which it has almost no pricing input and so Lionsteel thinks they can price gouge because of the spydie hole's desirability? Interesting theory. I know that sort of hands off approach is something I'd never do in a collaboration, but maybe..... *shrug* Either way I'm off the list for this one.

Keep in mind that this model is being produced in Europe. The US Dollar has been and remains extremely weak versus the Euro.

Currency exchange rates affected pricing of Spyderco models in the past, an example being the Rock Lobster (Seki, Japan).

I am cognizant of this which is why I was comparing the pricing to other LionSteel models produced by the same company at the same location and at the same time. As a standalone price I would have just considered the LionSpy to be quite pricey, but when it is almost identical to other products produced by the same company it lends itself to price comparison.

[gunnut35]

I am sure it will be a great knife but it is not one i would drop that amount of money on. It just looks too similar to many other Spyderco's.

[Chris_H]

I am cognizant of this which is why I was comparing the pricing to other LionSteel models produced by the same company at the same location and at the same time. As a standalone price I would have just considered the LionSpy to be quite pricey, but when it is almost identical to other products produced by the same company it lends itself to price comparison.

Hs5,

I wasn't directing my comment solely at you, nor was I trying to argue your statements. If you perceived that, it was not my intention.

I did want to put out my statements about currency exchage in the forum so others (especially newer members) could include it into their own decisions about this model while having a historical example of its consequences.

[TazKristi]

The MSRP is $499.95. As always, we don't price any of our knives based upon what we think the market will bear, but rather upon the cost of materials, labor, etc.

One difference between the collaboration model and the SR-1 is the steel. Sleipner steel (used in the SR-1) is a tool steel. Elmax is a powdered steel (more expensive).

Chris H is correct, the Euro to US Dollar relationship also impacts the final price.

Some information on Elmax, http://www.uddeholm.com/files/PB_Uddeho ... nglish.pdf

Some information on Sleipner, http://www.bucanada.ca/files/UDDEHOLM_SLEIPNER.pdf

Kristi

[DJ]

I can see myself gettin a few of these knives ....... :cool:
I have 4 Hest ...... something about them just get to me.

[Slash]

WOW, 500 MSRP

I would rather buy a custom for that much

[jabba359]

WOW, 500 MSRP

I would rather buy a custom for that much

Course, if CS has their usual 46% off, then that gives us a street price as low as $270. Still pricy compared to what I usually spend, but if work goes well this year and I have a bit of money to spend, I'd be very interested in getting one for <$300. I think $300 or so street isn't too bad for this semi-custom model.

[davec]

It appears I owe you an apology. I assumed spyderco had some sort of awareness of the knife market and the prices on other models from the same maker....... apparently not. I have seen a lot of price gouging regarding limited runs like this and made the mistake of grouping you with all of "them." Now that I am aware of the actual pricing I'm disappointed to find that your pricing is in line with what the model will retail for, and I apologize for suggesting that you had less than stellar business practices. The outrageous price for this one appears to be entirely spyderco's fault. I guess I'm in the market for an SR-1 now, since there isn't any point in waiting for this to hit the shelves.

you are undoubtedly the most negative, vitriolic poster that I've read.

[hunterseeker5]

you are undoubtedly the most negative, vitriolic poster that I've read.

You haven't looked over many other forums have you?

[Googz]

I want one, bad! I think $250 would be my absolute max

[ccf]

I've got a few questions about the pivot. I've seen that nut style on a few other knives (first Spydie, though). Does it take a pin wrench (or is it called a spanner wrench)? What size? Where do you get a tool like that?

[Slash]

I've got a few questions about the pivot. I've seen that nut style on a few other knives (first Spydie, though). Does it take a pin wrench (or is it called a spanner wrench)? What size? Where do you get a tool like that?

I believe the tool comes with the knife.

[Freediver]

Is it going to come with the wooden box case?

[Phrenik]

I've got a few questions about the pivot. I've seen that nut style on a few other knives (first Spydie, though). Does it take a pin wrench (or is it called a spanner wrench)? What size? Where do you get a tool like that?

The pivot would use a special tool that has 2 prongs on it. I have two lionsteel made knives [LE: Mr.DP dpx Hest/f and the production] and they both came with their own special tool to adjust the pivot. I am not saying that this version will though, since it is up to the maker etc. EX. I don't remember if hinderer + strider [I don't think they do but don't quote me, since I don't know for 100%] give you a tool to adjust it [EX. I had to buy my own pivot tool for strider, made by TAD [the skeleton key made in TI]. I have seen many locations sell the tool for their specific knives. [EX a tool for striders that have two prongs, but are like two tiny flat heads - the Lionsteel version is more like two tiny squares. From what I measure, it looks somewhere Approximately at a T5 torx size - sorry my eyesight is really bad even with glasses atm due to my disease. But thats what it looks like atm.]

Here is a picture of both tools I use. [well 4 tools :p I couldn't help myself]
--- Images are mine, hosted onto imageshack.us ---
-This is the TAD skeleton key "multi-tool" Full Ti - Strider key edition [the two small flat heads on his... right arm]


-These are my DPX HEST folders. The black one with graphics is one of the limited edition ones. [250 LE total, 4 variations - Mr.DP [the one I have], a Sterile version [all black - g10, blade etc] and a right and left hand variations. So I guess, if evenly split, you can say, its app. 62 ish of each knife made. Those LE versions get a Ti carbide coating vs milspec phosphate on the production, comes with the sas tin + ti bead+lanyard, certificate, Ti skull tool, and supposedly exclusive/1st pics for future items. The production version comes in a standard cardboard box, with an SS skull tool. And yes these are made by lionsteel for dpxgear, so they do have the rotoblock, and I assume this is the same pivot pin your asking about. So I there is some pics of the skull tools that fit in that pivot screw. And also, yes it does wave open very easily [on par, if not slightly better/easier than the emerson wave for me anyway, when I tried both knives YMMV]. Crazy thick blade, its almost 5mm [I think like 4.8 ish mm or something] - Oh also, the Ti framelock side is a torx bit.






- And for eye candy, my large sebenza 21 raindrop damascus, with dual blue lugs, and soon to have a Nice bead on there. I am debating on a few special Ti ones, or [if I don't buy something else, angel wings/sancte michael steel flame bead].


Of course can't have a picture fest without some spydies :p so here are my 3 paras [regular, digicam+dlc, CF/s90v, cts-20cp gray g10] and I use the gorilla grip tool [have been for almost 9 months now, haven't stripped them, or anything! they have been working great, don't bend etc. - only gripe is I wish it had more torx bits. it hasT6-10,15,20,25. I would have liked down to t5, and perhaps to t12. But oh well.

[ccf]

Thanks, guys.

I appreciate the info & the pics.

[Googz]

Any update on the packaging for the lionspy? It should be out soon :D

[jossta]

I want one, bad! I think $250 would be my absolute max

Any update on the packaging for the lionspy? It should be out soon :D

Knife Center says expected August, but you're going to have a **** of a time getting one for $250.

[Googz]

Knife Center says expected August, but you're going to have a **** of a time getting one for $250.

I have not bought a knife since the Shempp rock and H1 df came out. So, I have saved up some extra knife monies.

I just hope it comes with something cool.

Also, did the glass breaker make it on the production model?

[WalzAaronFFG]

I want a Lion spy really bad. It looks beautiful, but after the Damascus Jigged Bone Delica I'm tapped. Maybe i'll get lucky and win the lotto... ok maybe i'll just need to ebay some old junk I don't use.