My thoughts and frustrations with Spyderco

[michaelm466]

I see it this way: You either have to put in the time/patience or put in the money to get a high demand Spyderco, read the forums often and check stores often, though really you just have to read the forums, because they're announced with several days to get your order/pre-order in on the forums, or you just wait until they're actually out and pay higher prices but you don't have to bother checking/reading all the time. For example, with the para 2 S90V sprint, one of the highest demand sprints lately, hard to get, prices skyrocketed on them, but because I paid attention to the forums I pre-ordered mine the first week they were mentioned, however it was stolen/lost in the mail, so I diligently checked websites, found one, for $249, one for $219, and finally one for $179 and bought that one, and thats once they were already out and preorders were filled. I've never had a problem getting a pre-order or had to pay high prices if I put the time in, but you can't not put the time in nor the money and expect to get a high demand sprint. Yes spyderco could have made more, but if they make too many like the CPM-D2 para, they have them sitting on shelves for months going for less than the regular para, since the dealers have those still sitting there they don't order more para's and spyderco loses money.

[Purelite]

Sorry guys. Dont mean to "annoy" you all.

I understand I am walking into the den of Spydercoholics who immediately attack any and all who question the almighty .

I wasnt questioning the value or quality of the maid in China products. I think they are a good value and I have only read good things about them. They just dont appeal design wise to me.

I will bow to you all. You are correct . I will shut up now. You can continue bashing me to a bloody pulp for the crimes I have committed. You are Men and I am a ball-less winer who doesnt know how to suck it up and be a man. I think quite possibly I may not be man enough to use my Spyderco Military or Endura or Manix or delica or my Native . I think I will offer them up to the first real Spyderco man here . Please post your harshest comments and I will PM you for your address.

I apologize to all Sprint Run people who I have upset also. I also want to apologize to my family for disgracing them. My thoughts today wer completely unfounded and stupid and I have brought much shame to my loved ones.

Please deactivate my account here if you feel it is necessary .

I depart for now in shame and disgrace to the MEN of Spydercoforums

[WalzAaronFFG]

The fact that the OP is frustrated that he can't get a sprint without waiting or looking reminds me of a song from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory

I WANT IT NOOOOOOOOOOW!

Edit: Judging from your previous post I would think that maybe you are the one who is overreacting. As people have posted numerous times now, finding/getting sprints isn't difficult at all for people with patience. If you aren't even willing to wait 10 days for a Lum Tanto to come back in stock then you obviously lack that particular virtue.

Sprint runs go to those who want them most.

[Stephen]

Sorry guys. Dont mean to "annoy" you all.

I understand I am walking into the den of Spydercoholics who immediately attack any and all who question the almighty .

I wasnt questioning the value or quality of the maid in China products. I think they are a good value and I have only read good things about them. They just dont appeal design wise to me.

I will bow to you all. You are correct . I will shut up now. You can continue bashing me to a bloody pulp for the crimes I have committed. You are Men and I am a ball-less winer who doesnt know how to suck it up and be a man. I think quite possibly I may not be man enough to use my Spyderco Military or Endura or Manix or delica or my Native . I think I will offer them up to the first real Spyderco man here . Please post your harshest comments and I will PM you for your address.

I apologize to all Sprint Run people who I have upset also. I also want to apologize to my family for disgracing them. My thoughts today wer completely unfounded and stupid and I have brought much shame to my loved ones.

Please deactivate my account here if you feel it is necessary .

I depart for now in shame and disgrace to the MEN of Spydercoforums

Considering that part of your initial post was a semi-Marxist rant about greed and "satisfying the masses", are you surprised? If you open with such hostility expect to have people treat you as hostile.

Ok, I lurk alot and say little.

^^ You definitelyshoulda kept it that way.

[Jordan]

If the ti handled Mili's weren't selling... they'd stop making em'. Frankly, it seems less risky to make a ti handled production model than a differently colored one. After all, someone who already owns a mili might buy a ti one (because it is a completely different handle material, instead of a different color of the same)... but somebody who already dropped the not-inconsiderable price of a regular black G10 model is unlikely to ALSO pay for a brown one. In effect, by just making the brown handled model in a sprint... they ran the risk of not selling one to a large portion of their target audience (aka... people willing to spend 150$ on a pocket knife) due to the fact that most of that target audience already has one variant of the mili or another.

You (speaking directly to the OP) say that you KNOW that a production run of colored handled milis would sell well. I say that there is just as much chance that they would sit unpurchased on dealer shelves while the more conventionally colored models found homes, and therefore go unordered from Spyderco. Ultimately, that would be great for me... eventually Spyderco would have to sell em' for cheap to make room for something better :D . But the company itself wouldn't benefit much from the venture.

I'm not saying that WOULD happen, just that it could... just as easily if not more so than people flocking to spend over a hundred dollars on a knife they probably already own in another color.

Once again, I'm trying not to sound condescending... but we all work. Hence the (sometimes obscene) amount of disposable income we all seem to have for pocket knives. I don't scour the internet hourly for sprints that I am interested in... I just keep my eyes open here and check Howe's or KC every week or two. Probably amounts to an average of 30 seconds a day of net surfing... no hourly checks required :p . If you can't spare that much time, then frankly... you are just gonna have to be happy with production models. The sprints take too much work for your busy life :p :p .


EDIT: Wow, in the time it took me to type this... things sure took a hostile turn... either I type very slowly, or we've all fallen victim to a troll. I give even odds either way :p .

[jossta]

Dude, chill out. Many people have brought up this issue before and done it with a better, more receptive attitude than you. There is no way to please all the people. The system is what it is and I personally don't think it needs improvement, just understanding.

It is relatively easy to get what you want if you put forth a little effort. In the time you took to post this thread, you could have searched the forum for reputable dealers that take pre-orders and emailed them. Or you could have asked us where to look.

A lot of us aren't jumping down your throat, we are trying to help you. If you want hard to find Spydies we will help you. It is very understandable that someone newer is frustrated with this process. It is even understandable that some of the veterans share your same frustrations.

But instead of complaining, why not just ask for help? We have all given you options to acquire the knife you want at reasonable prices. This site is generally WAAYYYYYYYYYY more forgiving and accepting of criticism that most online forums, but not if you aren't going to have an attitude about it.

I apologize if your experience in this thread is turning you off from Spyderco. I'm pretty sure I'm not actually helping in that regard, but I'd recommend not giving up just yet. If you want something, let us know and we'll try to tell you where to find one, or PM me and I will tell you when I see one somewhere.

[jabba359]

I'm not quite sure what responses were the ones that caused to to go from here:

Thanx for the input guys. I actually expected more responses on the lines of "stop crying you baby , you are playing in the big boys field go back to the sandbox kid"...

Thanx also for the heads up at Knifecenter. Unfortunately it now says Typically in 10 days which to me means they are out again...

I really didnt want to come across as a cry baby and I appreciate the Diehard fans not being insulting...

to here:

Sorry guys. Dont mean to "annoy" you all.

I understand I am walking into the den of Spydercoholics who immediately attack any and all who question the almighty...

I will bow to you all. You are correct . I will shut up now. You can continue bashing me to a bloody pulp for the crimes I have committed. You are Men and I am a ball-less winer who doesnt know how to suck it up and be a man. I think quite possibly I may not be man enough to use my Spyderco Military or Endura or Manix or delica or my Native . I think I will offer them up to the first real Spyderco man here . Please post your harshest comments and I will PM you for your address...

All I could see are suggestions that you pop into the forums once in a while to get notices (you DID say you lurked a lot) or put in a pre-order that should get fulfilled. Anything that may have been even remotely disrespectful in the slightest degree was far overshadowed by your outlandishly childish rant. BTW, Bento Box Shop STILL shows as having them in stock, as I pointed out to you earlier. So what is the real issue? You're still carrying on despite having been pointed to a dealer that has them in stock at a reasonable price. You checked into the thread after being told they had them in stock, so if you don't get one from there it's only your own fault for letting the opportunity pass you by, not because they weren't available.

[Purelite]

Guys my point is

They should make a few more of the sprint runs.

I also find it interesting that I am called a Marxist and ridiculous and a winer and childish and then I am accused of ranting on and being disrespectful? I am neither a troll or a communist marxist my friends. How many of you voted for the 2nd coming of Jimmy Carter?

When I start getting called ridiculous by some schmuck living in his mothers finished basement sitting at his computer in his underwear eating a bag of cheese curls I tend to start getting defensive.

I am not knocking Spyderco or their sprintruns. I LOVE Spydercos. It just seems that there is a repetitive process going on and maybe it's me not looking in the right places. Thats why I asked you guys to help me see things more clearly. Not be called a Communist and a winer. I am sorry if this has been discussed before. I am sorry if my post count is low and that by admitting I am a lurker makes me some sort of Gollum like scumbag. If you all want to gang up on me then do so . I cant compete and wont. I wasnt looking for a fight and sure enough like I thought there would be an onslaught of people trying to be Internet "Macho Men" before they get called to take out the trash by their wives

And I am NOT looking for a Lum Chinese model folder. Where the heck did that come from. Another example of how things get twisted and by the time this is ended I will be accused of causing the oil spill in the gulf. Unbelievable

Thanx for those who were helpful and nice

[Pinetreebbs]

When is this coming out? Sign me up! :D

Uh oh! :eek: I would be buy one too, but it wold be the last Sprint and I wouldn't be happy.

[Pinetreebbs]

Guys my point is

They should make a few more of the sprint runs.

I also find it interesting that I am called a Marxist and ridiculous and a winer and childish and then I am accused of ranting on and being disrespectful? I am neither a troll or a communist marxist my friends. How many of you voted for the 2nd coming of Jimmy Carter?

When I start getting called ridiculous by some schmuck living in his mothers finished basement sitting at his computer in his underwear eating a bag of cheese curls I tend to start getting defensive.

I am not knocking Spyderco or their sprintruns. I LOVE Spydercos. It just seems that there is a repetitive process going on and maybe it's me not looking in the right places. Thats why I asked you guys to help me see things more clearly. Not be called a Communist and a winer. I am sorry if this has been discussed before. I am sorry if my post count is low and that by admitting I am a lurker makes me some sort of Gollum like scumbag. If you all want to gang up on me then do so . I cant compete and wont. I wasnt looking for a fight and sure enough like I thought there would be an onslaught of people trying to be Internet "Macho Men" before they get called to take out the trash by their wives

And I am NOT looking for a Lum Chinese model folder. Where the heck did that come from. Another example of how things get twisted and by the time this is ended I will be accused of causing the oil spill in the gulf. Unbelievable

Thanx for those who were helpful and nice

It sucks when an idea doesn't sell, but it's not you it's the idea that was not well received. If you search previous threads there are several that deal with this issue. Too often we get an idea that sounds great, but don't look at all consequences and effects, especially the law of unintended consequences. :)

[The Deacon]

Sorry guys. Dont mean to "annoy" you all.

I understand I am walking into the den of Spydercoholics who immediately attack any and all who question the almighty .

I wasnt questioning the value or quality of the maid in China products. I think they are a good value and I have only read good things about them. They just dont appeal design wise to me.

I will bow to you all. You are correct . I will shut up now. You can continue bashing me to a bloody pulp for the crimes I have committed. You are Men and I am a ball-less winer who doesnt know how to suck it up and be a man. I think quite possibly I may not be man enough to use my Spyderco Military or Endura or Manix or delica or my Native . I think I will offer them up to the first real Spyderco man here . Please post your harshest comments and I will PM you for your address.

I apologize to all Sprint Run people who I have upset also. I also want to apologize to my family for disgracing them. My thoughts today wer completely unfounded and stupid and I have brought much shame to my loved ones.

Please deactivate my account here if you feel it is necessary .

I depart for now in shame and disgrace to the MEN of Spydercoforums

No need for anyone to deactivate your account. If you can't deal with what's being said here, all it takes is the self control to stop coming.

[MCM]

If you don't want to pay extra, contact a few dealers in advance or pre-order.

The other thing you failed to mention or realize is that some Sprints Flop.
You are only talking about the "popular" Sprint models here.
Often they gain popularity after the fact.
No one really knows how a Sprint run will fair until its over.
So its really somewhat of a gamble for Spyderco if you think about it.

Ponder that for a few moments and get back to us.

Sorry, but I just think its childish to point out a couple sprints that went up in value that you missed. Do you have any idea how many Sprint runs have been produced? Or are you focusing on the 2 or 3 you happen to want today?

To be honest, Sprint runs are what keep many of us interested here.
And are quite happy with things the way that are.
And no, I never buy a knife to re-sell. But do buy 1 or 2 of every Sprint that I think I like. That way if I really like it I have a back up.
Food for thought.

[dbcad]

Easy Purelite, you'll be ok. Marxist in my opinion is a liittle far fetched. You ranted about your dissatisfaction with the sprint run process and the frustration about some folks profiting from it. I don't have any better way for Spyderco to do what they do, so I won't complain about the way they do it now.

If I hadn't chosen recipients already for the rest of the value line I have I would gift you one :) But the 3 individuals are closely linked and all need to get one. They wouldn't be gifted if they weren't worthy :)

The questions you raised have come up before.

Maybe participate a bit more if you want, you write well :) No bashing from me, just disagreement on some points :)

Remember always this is a tricky medium for communication we're dealing with here. Misunderstandings happen easily.

[Purelite]

See exactly more of the same

Deacon says if you cant take it dont come back here

MCM once again stating I am childish to question the concept of the "Sprint run"


Let me say to you both

I understand you are the Gurus. I understand this is your sandbox.
I understand what you are saying, if you dont like it then go home to Mommy.
I understand you think I am childish though I am 43 and support a family pay my mortgage and my taxes vote in all elections and see my country going down the road to socialism with Obama and Pelosi at the wheel while all you men of wisdom bestow your ultimate authority here on the forums. You are all much more intelligent than me and many have probably spoken to Sal himself and maybe went to a knife show and talked with him or Janich about the next knife coming down the pipeline.
I can take it believe me I can take anything you guys send my way Deacon. If I can take my drunk father beating me senseless at 2 in the morning when I was 8 years old I can take anything these forums can unleash
Also I am sure you all have Masters degrees in business management and of course are all staunch believers in keeping America a nation based on Capitalism and the Constitution. On top of all that I am sure you are all masters of every skill and trade known to man. You are Gods and thru the mighty desktop computer you can look down on the "childish ignorant sweaty masses" who have never met or conversed with the mighty Sal or Janich and unleash your fury upon us.

And please do the next predictable thing and find a mispelling or grammatical error in my rants and point it out so as to establish your superiority

Oh and by the way I cant wait for my plain Military to get here :D I LOVE Spydies and MCM can go fly a kite oh wait you are much too mature for that :p

and thanx Dbcad I appreciate your thoughts. I did not intend on going to war here

[jabba359]

Guys my point is

They should make a few more of the sprint runs.

Agreed, especially on the more popular models. The hard part is figuring out which will be popular, as the normally popular Manix 2 is still available in the pink sprint and it came out about a year ago. The Shabaria took a long time to sell through, the previously mentioned Goddard sprint didn't sell well, the D2 Paramilitary had to be clearanced out at basement bottom prices, and the list goes on. It's a tricky business, these sprint runs.

I also find it interesting that I am called a Marxist and ridiculous and a winer and childish and then I am accused of ranting on and being disrespectful? I am neither a troll or a communist marxist my friends. How many of you voted for the 2nd coming of Jimmy Carter?

When I start getting called ridiculous by some schmuck living in his mothers finished basement sitting at his computer in his underwear eating a bag of cheese curls I tend to start getting defensive.

You say you aren't a troll only to instantly contradict that statement two sentences later (and more following in the next paragraph). You don't necessarily make a great case for not being one when you say things like this.

I am not knocking Spyderco or their sprintruns. I LOVE Spydercos. It just seems that there is a repetitive process going on and maybe it's me not looking in the right places. Thats why I asked you guys to help me see things more clearly. Not be called a Communist and a winer. I am sorry if this has been discussed before. I am sorry if my post count is low and that by admitting I am a lurker makes me some sort of Gollum like scumbag. If you all want to gang up on me then do so . I cant compete and wont. I wasnt looking for a fight and sure enough like I thought there would be an onslaught of people trying to be Internet "Macho Men" before they get called to take out the trash by their wives

I think you misunderstand what's been said about being a lurker. There's nothing wrong with lurking. It was just pointed out that a lurker (someone who reads a lot but doesn't post much) should be able to get sprints fairly easily because other forum members post about preorders frequently, so you should be able to find out about them with little effort just by keeping your eyes peeled when browsing the forums.

And I am NOT looking for a Lum Chinese model folder. Where the heck did that come from. Another example of how things get twisted and by the time this is ended I will be accused of causing the oil spill in the gulf. Unbelievable

Thanx for those who were helpful and nice

I think it was a misunderstanding stemming from WaltzAaron using the popular Lum Tanto sprint as an example of being able to get recent sprint runs at moderate prices:

...If you want a new Lum Tanto you can get one right now on eBay for the price I paid from a low-priced online retailer...

...and then jossta must have read that example and thought you were actually looking for one, so he tried to be helpful by telling you how you could get one.

If you want a Lum Tanto...

I hope you're able to get your hands on the Brown Millie sprint. Don't take everything so personally. Life is so much less stressful and enjoyable when you relax.

[Spider bite]

I can take it believe me I can take anything you guys send my way Deacon. If I can take my drunk father beating me senseless at 2 in the morning when I was 8 years old I can take anything these forums can unleash

Sorry this sucks!

[MCM]

"MCM once again stating I am childish to question the concept of the "Sprint run"

No, what I was trying to say was...... Its childish to pick 2 or 3 Sprints out of over 100 and stamp your foot that it went up in price.

That's all. And it seems to me that's exactly what you are doing.
Re-read what I wrote & correct me if I offendded you personally.
That was not my intent.


Most Sprints have not really taken off in price. But a few have.
Maybe 10%?

But it seems no matter what's posted here you argue. Almost troll like in nature.
Think what you want, vote with your dollars. Like the rest of us.

Most here are trying to be nothing but educational to you.
Maybe you should go back and re-read a few of your posts. Does it seem you might have a chip on your shoulder?
You tell me.......

Have a pleasant day.

MCM

[chuck_roxas45]

There's a brown millie now going for 175 bucks at the other forum's exchange...

[Donut]

I think I got cut short with my post earlier, I want to say that I think the economy has an effect on this. I don't remember many sprints selling out instantly like this a couple of years ago, but maybe I wasn't paying attention as much then.

I think many have figured out that they can buy a sprint and sell it for say, 50% more instantly or in a week or two. Team that up with some people who don't have a job or have their hours cut back and an "I don't care" attitude, and we are probably on the downward slope.

I'm not sure if we're just starting or right in the middle now, we are probably just starting to see the way this will go.

[MCM]

On 2nd thought, consider yourself blocked.... Troll........

Again
Have a nice day........ :spyder: