Or CPM M4.Cheygriz wrote:I wish Sal would offer some medium and small blades, like the Native and Michael Walker in S90V and/or S110V. :) :) :)
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VG-10 for me as well, easy to restore to shaving sharp in just a couple minutes. I was kind of surprised but glad to see how many people picked VG-10, since it's not one of the super-duper hot new steels.
I was also surprised to see that S30V seems to be either a close second to VG-10 with some and close to last for others. I would be in the first group - it's not much harder to sharpen, but keeps an edge longer than VG-10.
I may though have a bias towards VG-10 since I prefer my Seki knives a bit more for overall F+F and design. If my knives were all exactly the same design but had different steels, and the steels were not labeled on the blade, a blind taste-test as it were, I wonder which one I'd pick then??
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I was also surprised to see that S30V seems to be either a close second to VG-10 with some and close to last for others. I would be in the first group - it's not much harder to sharpen, but keeps an edge longer than VG-10.
I may though have a bias towards VG-10 since I prefer my Seki knives a bit more for overall F+F and design. If my knives were all exactly the same design but had different steels, and the steels were not labeled on the blade, a blind taste-test as it were, I wonder which one I'd pick then??
Doug
My current favorites are CTS-20CP (in the Para 2 sprint) and M390 (in the Mule), both of which are fairly new to me but they have really been impressive. I hope to see Spyderco using these steels in more knives.
Peter - My :spyder:'s:
Caly~3.5 (VG-10 & S. Blue); Para2~(20CP~M390~S30v); Military~(M390~S30v); Endura & Delica~4~FFG; Native~(S30v); Caly~Jr.~(ZDP); Manix~2~(M4); Ladybug~3~(VG-10. SE); Mules~(M390).
Caly~3.5 (VG-10 & S. Blue); Para2~(20CP~M390~S30v); Military~(M390~S30v); Endura & Delica~4~FFG; Native~(S30v); Caly~Jr.~(ZDP); Manix~2~(M4); Ladybug~3~(VG-10. SE); Mules~(M390).
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I've had S30V the longest of any of the typical Spyderco steels, and i've really grown to like it. I really can't tell much difference in sharpening S30V vs. VG10 until it comes time to reprofile, and then S30V takes a bit more time/effort. I really love ZDP-189, but i haven't carried and used it as much as my S30V knives because of the knives i have the steel in...i love my Delica but it takes second stage to my Para/Para 2. I haven't really used my H1 Ladybug enough to have an opinion of it, although first impressions on the SE H1 edge retention are pretty impressive for what i've cut with it.
In the end, for me it comes down to the knife that a steel is available in more so than the steel itself. If a particular knife is only available in a certain steel, it won't sway me from buying it because in truth none of the steels Spyderco offers "suck" by any means.
That said, i am dying to get my hands on some S90V, but i just don't have the cash for what the S90V Para 2's are going for. I would love to see a Para 2 in ZDP-189...that would be an awesome knife.
In the end, for me it comes down to the knife that a steel is available in more so than the steel itself. If a particular knife is only available in a certain steel, it won't sway me from buying it because in truth none of the steels Spyderco offers "suck" by any means.
That said, i am dying to get my hands on some S90V, but i just don't have the cash for what the S90V Para 2's are going for. I would love to see a Para 2 in ZDP-189...that would be an awesome knife.
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The current Para 2 sprint in CTS-20CP is virtually a clone of S90V and according to Ankerson's testing is indistinguishable in performance from S90V and you can still (for the time being) get that now for under $200 from various vendors. It's an awesome steel in an awesome knife (imo).
Peter - My :spyder:'s:
Caly~3.5 (VG-10 & S. Blue); Para2~(20CP~M390~S30v); Military~(M390~S30v); Endura & Delica~4~FFG; Native~(S30v); Caly~Jr.~(ZDP); Manix~2~(M4); Ladybug~3~(VG-10. SE); Mules~(M390).
Caly~3.5 (VG-10 & S. Blue); Para2~(20CP~M390~S30v); Military~(M390~S30v); Endura & Delica~4~FFG; Native~(S30v); Caly~Jr.~(ZDP); Manix~2~(M4); Ladybug~3~(VG-10. SE); Mules~(M390).
I tend to change my mind on this issue, but I always go back to S90V. I look forward to the day when/if Sal gets around to making a larger Manix 2 because then hopefully a FFG sprint in CF/S90V will emerge.
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One of my favorites is 4140 but it's not used in any spydies.
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My favorite folder steel for wear resistance.......xhp is great sharpens, as easy as vg 10,has wear resistance similar to zdp and has toughness close to a2.yes xhp iis awesome .that said I think cts 20cp is my favorite folder steel. It doesn't hold that fresh of the stone sharpness as long as xhp but it simply holds a shaving edge ffffooooorreeevvveer.its carpenters improved s90. It is second generation powder wich means its cleaner then the cpm.my favorite fixed steel would be infi
I have read through the steel charts etc and still cannot keep it straight. Is there a thread somewhere that explains the advantages and disadvantages of the different steel's?
Stretch zdp-189 blue handles / Caly 3 carbon fiber / Delica 4 FRN / Sage carbon fiber / Perrin PPT / Massad Ayoob / Delica 3 black DLC coated / Lum tanto sprint / Michael Walker CF ZDP-189 (x2) / Gayle Bradley
If you look at the two magnified edges from Ankersons" cpms90 vs cts 20cp shootout" thread on bf it looks as if s90 has more micro chips to me after same tasks even though said sharpness was same.mongatu wrote:The current Para 2 sprint in CTS-20CP is virtually a clone of S90V and according to Ankerson's testing is indistinguishable in performance from S90V and you can still (for the time being) get that now for under $200 from various vendors. It's an awesome steel in an awesome knife (imo).
I agree. It appears that 20CP may even be slightly better than S90V probably due to the second generation powder metal technology Carpenter uses (or it could also be due in part to hardness variations of the particular samples tested). But my previous post was directed at those who perhaps aren't yet familiar with the steel at all and who may not be aware it's basically intended to be a clone of S90V and offers similar, if not better, performance.spydusse wrote:If you look at the two magnified edges from Ankersons" cpms90 vs cts 20cp shootout" thread on bf it looks as if s90 has more micro chips to me after same tasks even though said sharpness was same.
Peter - My :spyder:'s:
Caly~3.5 (VG-10 & S. Blue); Para2~(20CP~M390~S30v); Military~(M390~S30v); Endura & Delica~4~FFG; Native~(S30v); Caly~Jr.~(ZDP); Manix~2~(M4); Ladybug~3~(VG-10. SE); Mules~(M390).
Caly~3.5 (VG-10 & S. Blue); Para2~(20CP~M390~S30v); Military~(M390~S30v); Endura & Delica~4~FFG; Native~(S30v); Caly~Jr.~(ZDP); Manix~2~(M4); Ladybug~3~(VG-10. SE); Mules~(M390).
They were both tested at a rockwell of 60.mongatu wrote:I agree. It appears that 20CP may even be slightly better than S90V probably due to the second generation powder metal technology Carpenter uses (or it could also be due in part to hardness variations of the particular samples tested). But my previous post was directed at those who perhaps aren't yet familiar with the steel at all and who may not be aware it's basically intended to be a clone of S90V and offers similar, if not better, performance.
VG-10. I know I'm probably in the minority here, but I'm not a fan of the latest greatest super steel. I like a good strong reliable steel that takes a licking and keeps on ticking.
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Great, again I agree that it appeared from those particular photos of his tested blades that 20CP might be slightly better. However, IIRC, Ankerson didn't feel that his testing methodology warranted the conclusion that one steel was better than another, so I am hesitant to draw it as well.spydusse wrote:They were both tested at a rockwell of 60.
Peter - My :spyder:'s:
Caly~3.5 (VG-10 & S. Blue); Para2~(20CP~M390~S30v); Military~(M390~S30v); Endura & Delica~4~FFG; Native~(S30v); Caly~Jr.~(ZDP); Manix~2~(M4); Ladybug~3~(VG-10. SE); Mules~(M390).
Caly~3.5 (VG-10 & S. Blue); Para2~(20CP~M390~S30v); Military~(M390~S30v); Endura & Delica~4~FFG; Native~(S30v); Caly~Jr.~(ZDP); Manix~2~(M4); Ladybug~3~(VG-10. SE); Mules~(M390).
With the Manix 2, and now the brown Milli, I'd have to say CTS-XHP has become my favorite. It is stainless, dead easy to sharpen, takes a very fine aggressive edge, and holds it very well.
We'll see if Elmax in the LionSpy, and/or M390, in whatever model, will displace it.
We'll see if Elmax in the LionSpy, and/or M390, in whatever model, will displace it.
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