Michael Janich wrote:Unfortunately, it's not that easy. At any given time, Spyderco has more projects in the works that any knife company I know. The decisions that determine what gets done first, what gets done later, and what doesn't get done at all are not as easy as they may seem--especially when you have so much cool stuff to choose from.
Stay safe,
Mike
My pappy used to say...."Hard Work is as easy as falling off a log"... Well at the very least you can tell Sal that some of us are pleading, begging, and our knees are hurting from the kneeling...just maybe he will give us some credence and consider the whole idea of a Spyderco FB Pakal Knife.....I promise....I can sell of tons of these babies to LEOs (who BTW need such a knife, for weapons retention) and or buy up most of those made for myself......which in the end I'll end up giving away to LEOs anyway.... Doc :D
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We can entertain the thought, but as Mike mentioned, we have quite a few projects "in-the-works" right now and anything added would more than likely be some time out before it would be considered.
I would suggest that if one really must have a fixed P'kal, and needs it now, a custom maker might be a good route to go. Lot of really good custom guys out there.
sal wrote:We can entertain the thought, but as Mike mentioned, we have quite a few projects "in-the-works" right now and anything added would more than likely be some time out before it would be considered.
I would suggest that if one really must have a fixed P'kal, and needs it now, a custom maker might be a good route to go. Lot of really good custom guys out there.
sal
Thanks for the response Sal....Yep I'm going to have a few custom pakal FB's made by custom makers as you suggest....I'm a little disappointed, that something done by Spyderco won't happen in the near future or might never happen....Well thanks for your honesty anyway...I guess we can all stop wishing and hoping, and lastly nagging you about this kinda of project. I'll let it rest here......Doc :D
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While custom makers are certainly an option, I'm not finding too many that are willing to make the knife that I want instead of buying a knife that they have designed for anything approaching a reasonable price point. Might just be looking in the wrong places, but I'm finding that makers like selling their designs much more than grinding out a knife that they might not like one little bit. Add the insult of the blade being bassackwards and it only gets worse.
Musicians make the music they want to hear. Knife makers make the knives they want to see used.
psychophipps wrote:While custom makers are certainly an option, I'm not finding too many that are willing to make the knife that I want instead of buying a knife that they have designed for anything approaching a reasonable price point. Might just be looking in the wrong places, but I'm finding that makers like selling their designs much more than grinding out a knife that they might not like one little bit. Add the insult of the blade being bassackwards and it only gets worse.
Musicians make the music they want to hear. Knife makers make the knives they want to see used.
I hear you Psychophi, but there are custom makers out there willing to do Pakal designs...but they are far and few....I have been searching for months and they are out there....Check out, Iron Mountain Knives, I think they may have something for you...not that they are cheap but pretty well made...you could also contact John Certo of Relentless Knives (Check out his web-site)and see what he would be willing to do for you. His smaller knives are very reasonable for the top notch workmanship and material he uses. Tell him Dr.Snubnose from Ironpitt Forum sent you Also Mark Goldsworthy makes some really fine Pakal knives at reasonable prices, but won't have any till the summer....John (Stonyman) just had a Pakal Custom made by I think the guy is named Davidson, or Davison, hails out of Georgia (known for making Horse hoof knives), I saw pics of Stonyman's knife it's a beauty and because the maker is relatively new to the industry his knives are still very reasonable, in a few years they won't be for sure. I know he is willing to try anything and work with the customer closely...You might want to give Stonyman a PM for further details....Doc :D
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If you love the P'Kal and want to carry a FB clone of it, why not get a custom sheath and remove the wave pin and clip and carry it in the open position? This is also a neat idea for people who are in areas that frown on CC of FBs.
I started a discussion thread over at TPI (Sn's forum), for anyone who wishes to discuss it there.
conwict wrote:If you love the P'Kal and want to carry a FB clone of it, why not get a custom sheath and remove the wave pin and clip and carry it in the open position? This is also a neat idea for people who are in areas that frown on CC of FBs.
I started a discussion thread over at TPI (Sn's forum), for anyone who wishes to discuss it there.
Conwict
You're way too late with that.
Beside, it doesn't stop being a folder with the inherent weaknesses of a folder.
A sheathed folder is still considered a fixed blade in some jurisdictions, think of a fixed blade as a concept rather than a mechanism. If you have a knife that is drawn as a single piece, you're still liable to get charged for having a fixed blade. Perception is reality, the act of attempting to improvise a prohibited object will still get you charged for the possession of one.
Knifestyle wrote:A sheathed folder is still considered a fixed blade in some jurisdictions, think of a fixed blade as a concept rather than a mechanism. If you have a knife that is drawn as a single piece, you're still liable to get charged for having a fixed blade. Perception is reality, the act of attempting to improvise a prohibited object will still get you charged for the possession of one.
So I guess a waved knife is out of the question?.....fits both categories..No?...Doc :D
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Ha! You got me on that one, I should have worded things better. Let me give this another college try...I'm at a state school, 'college try' means drop classes until you find an easy grader.
If a folder is carried in an open position within a sheath, you're effectively carrying a fixed blade legally because it is easily drawn in the open position. Modifying it such as removing the clip and wave only digs things in deeper. And even then, you're still using a folder which was designed with the folding mechanism integrally. Ergonomics definitely comes into play with this company, but many folders can't match the handle design of a one piece fixed blade designed for the hand without any limitations or space concerns. You're carrying a fixed blade, that falls behind the pack regardless of what the law says.
Now, a Wave knife in a Speed Dialer sheath which opens it on the draw...amazingly enough legal at fixed blade speeds. The Wave itself is dang fast, and can't be touched legally because gravity and springs don't come into play.
...Can we get back to drooling over a fixed P'kal concept? Let's make it H1 so I can fight a giant squid with it.
Knifestyle wrote:Ha! You got me on that one, I should have worded things better. Let me give this another college try...I'm at a state school, 'college try' means drop classes until you find an easy grader.
If a folder is carried in an open position within a sheath, you're effectively carrying a fixed blade legally because it is easily drawn in the open position. Modifying it such as removing the clip and wave only digs things in deeper. And even then, you're still using a folder which was designed with the folding mechanism integrally. Ergonomics definitely comes into play with this company, but many folders can't match the handle design of a one piece fixed blade designed for the hand without any limitations or space concerns. You're carrying a fixed blade, that falls behind the pack regardless of what the law says.
Now, a Wave knife in a Speed Dialer sheath which opens it on the draw...amazingly enough legal at fixed blade speeds. The Wave itself is dang fast, and can't be touched legally because gravity and springs don't come into play.
...Can we get back to drooling over a fixed P'kal concept? Let's make it H1 so I can fight a giant squid with it.
I am afraid to use your analogy the whole concept is dead in the water...Sal is too busy to consider making us a FB Pikal, and suggested we have custom knife makers do it for us....I did just that and had two fixed blade Pikal knives made by Custom Knife Maker Mark Goldsworthy and I love them, and they now replace three spyderco fixed blade knives I use to carry everyday...See my thread Mark Goldsworthy's RGEI Custom Pakal Fighters in the off topic section....for a look see...Doc :D
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Mike Cantrell of Cantrell Knives might be willing to take on a FB Pikal. He's done a couple of nice customs for me, including a nice FG hawkbill (RGEO).
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I am afraid to use your analogy the whole concept is dead in the water...Sal is too busy to consider making us a FB Pikal, and suggested we have custom knife makers do it for us....I did just that and had two fixed blade Pikal knives made by Custom Knife Maker Mark Goldsworthy and I love them, and they now replace three spyderco fixed blade knives I use to carry everyday...See my thread Mark Goldsworthy's RGEI Custom Pakal Fighters in the off topic section....for a look see...Doc :D
Ban Tang is overnighting me a couple pikal knives and a la griffe fgeu style knife. He's another up and coming guy. Believe me his low prices won't hold. In fact I encouraged him to raise prices . Check his knives out, they're gorgeous, anyone interested in a semi custom or made fully to custom spec pikal knife.
Conwict: Bang Tang stuff looks pretty cool, let us know your impressions when you get them, some pics would be nice as well....There is always room for one more Pakal RGEI knife for one to carry...Check out Mark Goldsworthy's knives in the thread in Off-Topic section there are some pictures and impressions there...Great knives for a great price....Made in the good old USA....Doc :D
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IIRC, someone from Germany (possibly that knifemaker), contacted SouthNarc to obtain his permission to use his P'kal folder design in a fixed blade, specifically for the reason that Mike stated above, to get around Germany's knife laws. Very innovate use of the clip and sheath.
Well at the very least you can tell Sal that some of us are pleading, begging, and our knees are hurting from the kneeling...just maybe he will give us some credence and consider the whole idea of a Spyderco FB Pakal Knife.....I promise....I can sell of tons of these babies to LEOs (who BTW need such a knife, for weapons retention) and or buy up most of those made for myself......which in the end I'll end up giving away to LEOs anyway.... Doc :D
