I have been harping on this since November when I found out they were upgrading the TiMil Ril with the lockbar insert that the M4 Military had. And here it is finally. :D
Now the production version includes the lockbar insert. This will solve any pre-mature lockbar travel where you have Ti contacting steel. It also appears to be replaceable should it wear in fully or blade play developes.
This is another example of Spyderco's constant improvement philosophy. :thumbup:
As I posted elsewhere, I think this is one of the greatest ideas in a while. One simple, replaceable part provides both a positive over-travel stop and a steel tip to engage the blade tang. I hope they've got a patent application on this one!
Was spyderco the one to come up with this idea though? Since I have seen it on lionsteels knives for a long while now, ex the SR-1 and some others I forget. Just wondering who the credit should be going to.
Phrenik wrote:Was spyderco the one to come up with this idea though? Since I have seen it on lionsteels knives for a long while now, ex the SR-1 and some others I forget. Just wondering who the credit should be going to.
A number of makers use steel inserts. A number of makers use variants on the Hinderer over travel stop. A number of makers, Lion Steel included, uses both. But Spyderco took it one step further, and combined the steel insert with an over travel stop that engages the lockbar from inside the handle, rather than from outside as the Hinderer stop does.
Very nice knife indeed! The insert is a clever touch.
However, I've never had a problem with titanium on steel. After the break in period the lock lug remains at the same place. I have lots of ti framelock and ti linerlocks.
Beautiful knife though.
Phrenik wrote:Was spyderco the one to come up with this idea though? Since I have seen it on lionsteels knives for a long while now, ex the SR-1 and some others I forget. Just wondering who the credit should be going to.
Credit goes to spyderco. They improved on a design and made it their own with their superior design. Just like how mr. walker gets credit for the liner lock and mr. reeve gets credit for the framelock. One is an evolution of the other and the person who makes thats change gets credit.
The Deacon wrote:A number of makers use steel inserts. A number of makers use variants on the Hinderer over travel stop. A number of makers, Lion Steel included, uses both. But Spyderco took it one step further, and combined the steel insert with an over travel stop that engages the lockbar from inside the handle, rather than from outside as the Hinderer stop does.
Simplicity is the greatest sophistication. Props to Spyderco for that design. It is always good to get two birds with one stone.
Haven't we seen photos of the fluted Ti Millie without the insert?
Maybe that was the prototype...
To be honest, I don't think I'd ever miss it if I didn't have it, but I do appreciate the quality design and engineering that went into the insert. The Millie is definitely the knife for it.
JacksonKnives wrote:Haven't we seen photos of the fluted Ti Millie without the insert?
Maybe that was the prototype...
To be honest, I don't think I'd ever miss it if I didn't have it, but I do appreciate the quality design and engineering that went into the insert. The Millie is definitely the knife for it.
IIRC, the fluted Ti prototype was shown at Blade last year as a concept model. If that's the case, it was built before the controversy responsible for the addition of the insert.
The Deacon wrote:IIRC, the fluted Ti prototype was shown at Blade last year as a concept model. If that's the case, it was built before the controversy responsible for the addition of the insert.
Without rehashing the merits of each side, could you fill a forum-newbie in on the controversy?
The Ti Millie came out & didnt have the insert.
The Knifeworks M4 / G-10 LE did.
Folks have been waiting for the regular production Ti Millie to get the "upgrade"
