Oh my Lord, YES!!! :eek:Jazz wrote:This is the knife I want - large and small, PE and SE...
...or something pretty close, with the Salt handles... I keep dreaming. :D
- best wishes, Jazz.
H1 versus a shoe
- 20 degree testing
Well, I took it to work and put it in the walk-in freezer up by the thermometer where I know it's - 20 C...
After about an hour, I went in with an old broom and a chunk of another broom's handle and went to town on my knife - I was not nice (I felt bad for it, but it's for science). I batoned through the broom's handle - it's hard - Maple, I think. I took this pic later to show you the size.
I pounded on the knife's sides, from top to bottom, on the blade, on the handle... then I left it to cool again. I tried not to warm it with my hands as I went to town. Next I grabbed the blade and torqued sideways both ways - hard, and used my Leatherman Wave to pinch and bend however I could. - 20 C, all that, and the FRN didn't even hint at cracking - just flexed like normal and went back to shape. There's some side to side play in it now, but that could be fixed by peening the pin. Still slices paper nicely...
I can now defeat the lock with my own hands - only because I was unneccesarily cruel to the knife, even batoning it on the lockbar - really hard over and over (it takes a lot of force, but still). It feels really gritty too. I won't know why for sure until I take it apart sometime. I still want to get it out in - 40C, so I have to wait.
So far, FRN and H1 are impressing the heck out of me. I'm just a bit concerned about the lock - I can't see why it would fail (lets not be starting a big deal about this, either - I know it wasn't really normal knife use).
Anyway, the next test was just for fun...
... and here's how I got it out...
Thanks for reading and looking.
- best wishes, Jazz.
After about an hour, I went in with an old broom and a chunk of another broom's handle and went to town on my knife - I was not nice (I felt bad for it, but it's for science). I batoned through the broom's handle - it's hard - Maple, I think. I took this pic later to show you the size.
I pounded on the knife's sides, from top to bottom, on the blade, on the handle... then I left it to cool again. I tried not to warm it with my hands as I went to town. Next I grabbed the blade and torqued sideways both ways - hard, and used my Leatherman Wave to pinch and bend however I could. - 20 C, all that, and the FRN didn't even hint at cracking - just flexed like normal and went back to shape. There's some side to side play in it now, but that could be fixed by peening the pin. Still slices paper nicely...
I can now defeat the lock with my own hands - only because I was unneccesarily cruel to the knife, even batoning it on the lockbar - really hard over and over (it takes a lot of force, but still). It feels really gritty too. I won't know why for sure until I take it apart sometime. I still want to get it out in - 40C, so I have to wait.
So far, FRN and H1 are impressing the heck out of me. I'm just a bit concerned about the lock - I can't see why it would fail (lets not be starting a big deal about this, either - I know it wasn't really normal knife use).
Anyway, the next test was just for fun...
... and here's how I got it out...
Thanks for reading and looking.
- best wishes, Jazz.
I have a friend that works in pyrotechnics if you would like me to blow it up for you...in the name of science of course 
Thanks for the photos. This is fascinating. Multiple batonings with an unlined FRN midlock and the best you can do is defeat the lock...outstanding. I do not think anyone can honestly issue any complaint about service like that!
Thanks for the photos. This is fascinating. Multiple batonings with an unlined FRN midlock and the best you can do is defeat the lock...outstanding. I do not think anyone can honestly issue any complaint about service like that!
Thanks,
Ken (my real name)
...learning something new all the time.
Ken (my real name)
...learning something new all the time.
I kinda feel bad for that li'l yellow guy... Have you ran it over with a car yet?
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I'm holding it right now and it still works great, except for the lockup, which just took a lot to fail - I nicked myself :eek: . If I miss it enough when I wreck it, I have 2 more Tasman PE that I can mod. I honestly feel bad for roughing it up, but I think it's teaching me some important things (and anyone else who cares). Honestly - 20 below Celcius - frost all over the blade - I whacked it repeatedly HARD - blade and handle. I can't believe how tough FRN is. :D :cool: The H1 blade will make a couple of nice pendants, so I'm recycling a part of it, and I'll share those when it happens.
- best wishes, Jazz.
- best wishes, Jazz.
I am very interested to see these.Jazz wrote:The H1 blade will make a couple of nice pendants, so I'm recycling a part of it, and I'll share those when it happens.
- best wishes, Jazz.
If you fail to break the FRN, I would suggest shooting it. It would be interesting to see how it reacts to a high velocity impact (would it have a clean hole with plastic deformation, or would it fracture?) I would do this myself, but I have not gotten to the level where I am willing to sacrifice a good knife...and all mine fantastic in spite of my (at times hard) use.
Thanks,
Ken (my real name)
...learning something new all the time.
Ken (my real name)
...learning something new all the time.
Well... -27 degrees C/-16 degrees F today... I put the knife outside for an hour to chill out.
I then flexed hardcore with all my hand strength side to side and the FRN and blade were fine. I grabbed 2 pieces of Oak and went to town again. First I batoned on the blade real hard like normal into the other chunk of wood. Then I layed it down and whacked the sides of the handle. Next, I rested the blade edge on the wood and put my weight on it... this is when I noticed the crack that must have happened when smacking the handle sides. Here's the crack...
I guess -27 C is somewhere around the limit for this stuff (with batoning and such). I'll be carrying my Milli or large Wegner in these temps from now on, but FRN seems fine (to me) down to -20 C/-5 F. I don't plan on using my knives for these extreme things, but what if?... Here's what it looks like in pieces...
The areas I marked in the drawing are where there was plastic deformation from extreme batoning. It's kind of curved there a bit - that's why I could defeat the lock with my own hands only, I guess.
You can kind of see it in this picture...
After it was warmed inside for a while (so, it was around+ 20 C/+ 68 F), I flexed the FRN in a vise and it broke at this angle - two times I did it and the same angle it broke...
Only one more thing to do, and that's make a couple of pendants from the blade material. I'll post these whenever I do them.
Thanks for reading, looking, and humoring me. :)
- best wishes, Jazz.
I then flexed hardcore with all my hand strength side to side and the FRN and blade were fine. I grabbed 2 pieces of Oak and went to town again. First I batoned on the blade real hard like normal into the other chunk of wood. Then I layed it down and whacked the sides of the handle. Next, I rested the blade edge on the wood and put my weight on it... this is when I noticed the crack that must have happened when smacking the handle sides. Here's the crack...
I guess -27 C is somewhere around the limit for this stuff (with batoning and such). I'll be carrying my Milli or large Wegner in these temps from now on, but FRN seems fine (to me) down to -20 C/-5 F. I don't plan on using my knives for these extreme things, but what if?... Here's what it looks like in pieces...
The areas I marked in the drawing are where there was plastic deformation from extreme batoning. It's kind of curved there a bit - that's why I could defeat the lock with my own hands only, I guess.
You can kind of see it in this picture...
After it was warmed inside for a while (so, it was around+ 20 C/+ 68 F), I flexed the FRN in a vise and it broke at this angle - two times I did it and the same angle it broke...
Only one more thing to do, and that's make a couple of pendants from the blade material. I'll post these whenever I do them.
Thanks for reading, looking, and humoring me. :)
- best wishes, Jazz.
Pretty cool!
I would hazard a guess that the knife will never fail under typical use in those temperature conditions. I often find it interesting (and pleasing) to learn that failure occurs at a point well beyond what my senses tell me.
Regarding batoning with a folder (which is a pretty questionable endeavor to begin with)...I have seen people do it with the knife in the half open position. They pull down gently on the handle as they baton the blade through the substrate. I would presume that this stresses the pivot, but can not possibly damage the lock mech. If you ever do this again, it might prove interesting to modify your technique to see if you give before the knife does.
In any event, can you get some close ups of the pivot pin, blade hole, and FRN holes to show deformation (if any). It would seem that these areas took quite a beating.
Kudos to Spyderco. Apparently a pin construction knife is not so flimsy/defeatable after all? That pivot seems to have survived admirably I would say.
I would hazard a guess that the knife will never fail under typical use in those temperature conditions. I often find it interesting (and pleasing) to learn that failure occurs at a point well beyond what my senses tell me.
Regarding batoning with a folder (which is a pretty questionable endeavor to begin with)...I have seen people do it with the knife in the half open position. They pull down gently on the handle as they baton the blade through the substrate. I would presume that this stresses the pivot, but can not possibly damage the lock mech. If you ever do this again, it might prove interesting to modify your technique to see if you give before the knife does.
In any event, can you get some close ups of the pivot pin, blade hole, and FRN holes to show deformation (if any). It would seem that these areas took quite a beating.
Kudos to Spyderco. Apparently a pin construction knife is not so flimsy/defeatable after all? That pivot seems to have survived admirably I would say.
Thanks,
Ken (my real name)
...learning something new all the time.
Ken (my real name)
...learning something new all the time.