Strongly considering a Manix 2 ... questions

Blerv · #41

Seven wrote:Nice hijack and plug^

If you get yourself a manix2 your have a great folder, with great steel, great ergos, great pocket clip, great lock, pay no attention to those that dont know how to use or treat their blades. It was done stated that the new manix2 locks would be more redefined.

In Ankerson's defense, I feel he is playing this thread VERY relaxed being one of the forerunners of the "hard use testing" world. I feel his responses and opinions have been very open to differing opinions. Most people would stack the soap boxes and grab the megaphone.

After all, someone DID ask him where his videos were. :p I guess next time he will just say, "go to ****!!!" :rolleyes:

dbcad · #42

Peacefuljeffery, I would just buy the Manix, they're good knives and the Manix is a value for the price. It has a nice solid feel and comes sharp as heck. I'll be using my 154cm Manix for a quite a few more years to come.

Ankerson does what he does and has done for years. I'm all for him continuing his tests his way and sharing that information. Have a feeling over 99% of us don't subject any of our folding knives to that kind of stress or anything close to it. I do have and use fixed blades that kind of thing, but the testing is a good thing, he's pushing the limits. Ankerson's forthrightness and openess without defensiveness and evasiveness is good to see. Mr Ankerson, I wish you all of the pleasure and use your knives allow :)

Back to the point. Buy the Manix Peacefuljeffery I'm sure you'll enjoy it and it will be a very useful tool. I do enjoy mine :D :D

Charlie

JNewell · #43

Blerv wrote:In Ankerson's defense, I feel he is playing this thread VERY relaxed being one of the forerunners of the "hard use testing" world. I feel his responses and opinions have been very open to differing opinions. Most people would stack the soap boxes and grab the megaphone.

After all, someone DID ask him where his videos were. :p I guess next time he will just say, "go to ****!!!" :rolleyes:

Totally agree - but I was thinking the post about thread hijacking was in jest rather than a serious complaint. I could be wrong...

JNewell · #44

Unless I wasn't going to do anything other than thin-slice ripe apples, I wouldn't be put off by the hollow-ground standard M2. It's fairly high, deep grind and a very good value as well.

dbcad wrote:Peacefuljeffery, I would just buy the Manix, they're good knives and the Manix is a value for the price. It has a nice solid feel and comes sharp as heck. I'll be using my 154cm Manix for a quite a few more years to come.

Ankerson does what he does and has done for years. I'm all for him continuing his tests his way and sharing that information. Have a feeling over 99% of us don't subject any of our folding knives to that kind of stress or anything close to it. I do have and use fixed blades that kind of thing, but the testing is a good thing, he's pushing the limits. Ankerson's forthrightness and openess without defensiveness and evasiveness is good to see. Mr Ankerson, I wish you all of the pleasure and use your knives allow :)

Back to the point. Buy the Manix Peacefuljeffery I'm sure you'll enjoy it and it will be a very useful tool. I do enjoy mine :D :D

Charlie

Ankerson · #45

Thanks for all the nice comments guys. :)

The main reason I do what I do is because I believe things could be better, always room for improvement. People say X knife is great etc so I get X knife and test it, sometimes they are right, and other times they are wrong. It's all opinions really, mine and theirs, there is really no right and wrong, it's all one big gray area.

It's all good in the end. :cool:

Chris_Himself · #46

As long as you use the knife to cut you'll be fine. The BB lock failed where others did not, but it failed at doing something you shouldn't do anyway. I'm not going to be a huge Spyderco diehard and declare that any knife that fails an abuse test is defective, but the Paramillie failed a similar test yet, I've turned a 2x4 into splinters with no blade play.

Take what you will from Jankseron/Ankerson's videos, he doesn't say it's a crap knife or that it's not worth buying at all. It just failed an abuse test. The Manix 2 is still an extraordinarily strong knife and if you break it doing knife-related things i.e. not deflecting bullets with the spine of the blade, Spyderco will fix the problem and you'll get to meet some nice people in their customer service department. And if you don't like it, I'll buy it off you since I've been meaning to try on anyway lol.

Btw, I wish I could sharpen knives like that guy. Have you seen his mirror edges?

Seven · #47

The orange ones gonna be sexy :)

Blerv · #48

JNewell wrote:Totally agree - but I was thinking the post about thread hijacking was in jest rather than a serious complaint. I could be wrong...

I could have misread that one. Sometimes sarcasm doesn't come across well on the net hence the influx of strange emote faces :) .

No offense intended to anyone. I even was joking with my last line thus proving the confusion of the written word. :)

Seven · #49

It was sarcasm mostly.

mrlampp · #50

I have this knife. I carry two; a larger Manix 2 combo edge and a smaller MeerKat. I LOVE my Manix 2! There is NOTHING I'd change (with my limited knowledge of knife making) on this SUPERB EDC. Personally, I love the ambidextrous ball bearing lock. It's razor sharp out of the box. The spine jimping is a useful design feature. The G10 surface is has a great feel, super grip! The best thing I can say is that all things being equal, this is my go to blade, period. It has my ABSOLUTE confidence.

peacefuljeffrey · #51

Ankerson wrote:Thanks for all the nice comments guys. :)

The main reason I do what I do is because I believe things could be better, always room for improvement.

That's true. Things could always be better, improved.
I am confident -- hopeful, even -- that one day, someone will take one of these less-than-perfect folding knives and figure out a way to ... like .. fuse the handle and blade into some sort of, for lack of a better term, "fixed" blade knife that eliminates the inherent weakness from which these folders suffer. I'm not sure if the technology for this exists yet, though. Our best minds are hard at work on the problem, I'm sure.

:p BWAH-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

peacefuljeffrey · #52

mrlampp wrote:I have this knife. I carry two; a larger Manix 2 combo edge and a smaller MeerKat. I LOVE my Manix 2! There is NOTHING I'd change (with my limited knowledge of knife making) on this SUPERB EDC. Personally, I love the ambidextrous ball bearing lock. It's razor sharp out of the box. The spine jimping is a useful design feature. The G10 surface is has a great feel, super grip! The best thing I can say is that all things being equal, this is my go to blade, period. It has my ABSOLUTE confidence.

I LOVE Spyderco's G10 handles. I LOVE the Ball Bearing Lock. I have gotten over my uncertainty about the butt of the knife having only the lanyard tube (people say it's not a performance-limiting factor, and plus I'm not a hard-user). I still find myself wishing that the blade was not hollow-ground, and that it was made of S30V instead of 154CM (although I'm really actually not a steel-snob).

I'm probably going to get one pretty soon. It's either that or wait, uncertainly, for an eventual FFG version with black G10, but that can't be counted on.

Evil D · #53

I will admit i busted Ankerson's nuts a bit in that original thread because i saw his test as blatant abuse...but the more i look at it the more i understand that if you want to find out the limits of something, you basically have to push it TO that limit and sometimes it takes blatant abuse to reach it. I still think the majority of users wouldn't do half the stuff to these knives he did, even in a survival situation, but it's still good to know just how far a given tool can be pushed before it fails. This same kind of testing happens with almost anything you can think of from cars to the blender in your kitchen.

Oh and if Tom every starts doing regrinds again, i'm having mine ground down as a sort of super high flat saber grind...as much as it can be ground down to eliminate the hollow grind aspect of it. I don't see myself ever prying on anything so i think i can spare the thickness of the blade some. I also wish it was a higher end steel but then again for the price you can't beat it and the 154CM isn't exactly junk either.

sharkattack · #54

Ankerson wrote:The new ones will pass with no problem. :spyder: :cool:

My hard use testing format is what it is and I have tested 13 folders using this method so far on video.

I would buy one for my personal use and test it again, but the blade is just too short for me.

How can I tell if the Manix 2 I bought yesterday is the "new" one or not? The date code on the box is JJ, Oct, 2010. Is this a "new" one?

Thanks!

Blerv · #55

sharkattack wrote:How can I tell if the Manix 2 I bought yesterday is the "new" one or not? The date code on the box is JJ, Oct, 2010. Is this a "new" one?

Thanks!

It's easy. Just put it through an intense screening of overstrike tests by smashing the handle/pivot area on a stump. If it doesn't break it's the new one.

Or use it like 99.9% if the population and it doesn't matter.

JNewell · #56

If I recall Sal's posts correctly, until/unless Spyderco provides a specific date cut-off, you can't. And Blerv has it right - 99.9% (or, more likely, 99.999%) of Manix 2 users will never test the "old" lock configuration enough for it to matter. It's a great knife - use and enjoy without concern.

dbcad · #57

I go back to my Manix2 again and again :D Terrific value and has a personality all it's own. Completely agree with Blerv an Jnewell :)

Couldn't resist a pic..lolol

sharkattack · #58

Thanks guys. I guess I was just overthinking it. I've been a fan of Spyderco for a long time, and have confidence in their products. The knives I have just get typical pocket knife duty anyway. I guess I won't have to worry about the lock failing on me when I use my Manix 2 to open the mail, cut up a box or two, cut some zip ties, or chop some food, right? :)

Blerv · #59

sharkattack wrote:Thanks guys. I guess I was just overthinking it. I've been a fan of Spyderco for a long time, and have confidence in their products. The knives I have just get typical pocket knife duty anyway. I guess I won't have to worry about the lock failing on me when I use my Manix 2 to open the mail, cut up a box or two, cut some zip ties, or chop some food, right? :)

We all overthink everything. It's part of any hobby. :)

The tests done by Ankerson are valid in that they proved a point. Spyderco hadn't tested via overstrike in the past but they had done by spine whack if my understanding is correct. The MBC rating on the M2 is still very valid.

For all intensive purposes any Manix2 would be safe for daily or even rigorous chores. There was a story on Bladeforums of a person who was attacked by a homeless person with a tire iron, got hit in the head, and still managed to deploy and do grievous things to the attacker with his Manix2. Ultimately he saved both of their lives. I'm sure the attacker never thought about lock testing. :eek:

You can break anything however this testing does drop into a certain extreme. Just because my car will allow me to probably survive a 70 mph guard-rail jump doesn't mean I will ever experience (or willingly seek) it out.