i know this is off the topic but i would really like to know everones opinion about floridas court system and how it works. im sure everyone has heard about the king boys and there story. and kids being tried as adults. my best friend is being tried as an adult and hes 15. he was defending himself from his uncle. but they dont want to belive that. whats your opinion????
thanks.
off topic question.
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AllenETreat
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My spin on this is thus : It depends on the crime at hand ; the King bros. committed
murder, it was proven conclusively, as far as
if they should be executed, I am against capital punishment for juvenilles, but life without parole wouldn't be unfit. As for the question of self defense in ANY Court(s) the
rule of "justifiable lethal force" can be
argued til the cows come home <img src="sad.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> what did your friend allegedly do to his uncle in self defense? I'm not a lawyer, but worked for one and he tried a couple of case(s) similar to your friend's. E-mail me if you want the complete story.
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murder, it was proven conclusively, as far as
if they should be executed, I am against capital punishment for juvenilles, but life without parole wouldn't be unfit. As for the question of self defense in ANY Court(s) the
rule of "justifiable lethal force" can be
argued til the cows come home <img src="sad.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> what did your friend allegedly do to his uncle in self defense? I'm not a lawyer, but worked for one and he tried a couple of case(s) similar to your friend's. E-mail me if you want the complete story.
AET0962@hotmail.com
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yeah our system is messed up. but the story with my friend is, his uncle got really mad at him when he found out he was going threw a box of his uncles things. and he said he was comeing over to hurt him. and he came over later that night at about midnight and went in his room and started yelling at him then smashed everything. tv's stereo guitars playstation ect. then started hitting him with a flash light and beatin on him so my friend grabbed a knife cuz it was the only thing he had to stop him. so he got it and stabbed him once. and he kept comeing at him. and he stabbed him again. but he wouldnt stop so he cut his throat . <img src="sad.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> he is being charged with 1st degree murder premed.
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Not to make light of the situation but just like in every divorce, there are two different stories - Yours and sh*thead's.
Murder one is a serious charge that is not arrived at lightly. There sounds like there is more to the story than what we know here. There was obviously enough evidence to move a grand jury and prosecutor to make formal charges against a 15-year old. At any rate we are trusting in 12 good citizens to hear and weigh the evidence. Murder one is not a charge that is considered lightly, especially in view of the defendent's age. Juries are given clear instructions concerning evidence, judiciary conduct and procedure, and proof of guilt and unless we are called and sequestered, we do not know of the special conditions and instructions that may enter into this case. There has to be more than a preponderance of guilt and these 12 citizens have to be unanimous in their decision. Based on your telling of the tale, premeditation does not sound right. However, all the events that preceded and precipitated this confrontation are not known to us and may indicate there was more that drove your friend's uncle to confront him. In any confrontation the decision to use deadly force is a serious escalation with serious legal consequences and your friend is going to have to prove that there was no recourse or possibility of flight AND that he was in danger of serious bodily harm or death. He will have to prove that the uncle had the capability, the opportunity, and full intent on doing him serious bodily harm or death before he pulled his blade. These are tall requirements but not insurmountable.
We may not like a jury's decision and blame the courts for being too leniant or not coming to the same conclusion as we when we try the case either in the media or in our own minds but that is the law of the land, it has worked relatively well for over 200 years, and it is a a system that other countries often strive to imitate. It may not be a perfect system but it is the best we have so far.
You have to have a belief that all judicial rules will be followed, all the evidence will be presented in a balanced manner, and all twelve of these good citizens will be of clear mind and not allow their fears or predjudices influence this most essential and important of duties.
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Murder one is a serious charge that is not arrived at lightly. There sounds like there is more to the story than what we know here. There was obviously enough evidence to move a grand jury and prosecutor to make formal charges against a 15-year old. At any rate we are trusting in 12 good citizens to hear and weigh the evidence. Murder one is not a charge that is considered lightly, especially in view of the defendent's age. Juries are given clear instructions concerning evidence, judiciary conduct and procedure, and proof of guilt and unless we are called and sequestered, we do not know of the special conditions and instructions that may enter into this case. There has to be more than a preponderance of guilt and these 12 citizens have to be unanimous in their decision. Based on your telling of the tale, premeditation does not sound right. However, all the events that preceded and precipitated this confrontation are not known to us and may indicate there was more that drove your friend's uncle to confront him. In any confrontation the decision to use deadly force is a serious escalation with serious legal consequences and your friend is going to have to prove that there was no recourse or possibility of flight AND that he was in danger of serious bodily harm or death. He will have to prove that the uncle had the capability, the opportunity, and full intent on doing him serious bodily harm or death before he pulled his blade. These are tall requirements but not insurmountable.
We may not like a jury's decision and blame the courts for being too leniant or not coming to the same conclusion as we when we try the case either in the media or in our own minds but that is the law of the land, it has worked relatively well for over 200 years, and it is a a system that other countries often strive to imitate. It may not be a perfect system but it is the best we have so far.
You have to have a belief that all judicial rules will be followed, all the evidence will be presented in a balanced manner, and all twelve of these good citizens will be of clear mind and not allow their fears or predjudices influence this most essential and important of duties.
Stay safe! Stay sharp! <img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
Remember that the "Law and Order" show is right about one thing: A grand jury indictment is much easier to get than a conviction. They only decide one question: Is there enough evidence to say that a trial is called for?
All other evidence aside, and not saying anything one way or the other, there is a man killed. A person has been found responsible for the death. Said person knew the victim was coming to the house and therefore had time to prepare. There's your indictment for premeditated murder right there. Now, at trial, self-defense, actual degree of premeditation, provocation, etc. can be argued till the cows come home.
All other evidence aside, and not saying anything one way or the other, there is a man killed. A person has been found responsible for the death. Said person knew the victim was coming to the house and therefore had time to prepare. There's your indictment for premeditated murder right there. Now, at trial, self-defense, actual degree of premeditation, provocation, etc. can be argued till the cows come home.
he didnt know his uncle was comeing over that night. his uncle told him he was comeing thursday . then all of a sudden he shows up tuesday night around midnight. broke the door down then went after him and wouldnt stop. put urself in his position. ur sleeping, next thing u know ur crazy uncle is breakin ur door down and destroying all ur things then attacking you.. what do you do? and he takes steroids so stabbin him once aint going to stop him from attacking. he had to 10 times .
Edited by - knifepunk on 9/11/2002 12:58:18 PM
Edited by - knifepunk on 9/11/2002 12:58:18 PM
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That's one serious rap me lad!<img src="sad.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> It's just too bad "juvenilles"<img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> can't be included in the Jury! <img src="sad.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> The thing is, at the VERY worst
the charge(s) may be "plea bargained"; if it's your friend's first offense, he may get
a VERY lengthy probation stint<img src="sad.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> that means
no "weapons"( the pejorative<img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>)wilst on this
"street time". I'll keep an eye on the case
and see if I can make heads or tails of it<img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
E-mail me young knifepunk, and I'll keep you
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the charge(s) may be "plea bargained"; if it's your friend's first offense, he may get
a VERY lengthy probation stint<img src="sad.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> that means
no "weapons"( the pejorative<img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>)wilst on this
"street time". I'll keep an eye on the case
and see if I can make heads or tails of it<img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
E-mail me young knifepunk, and I'll keep you
"up to speed"<img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
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Sooooo..............does this 15 year old live at home or does he rent his own apartment or home? See what I'm getting at? Where were his parents? Did his mother and father allow the Uncle to invade the home? Or were they out on a tuesday night around midnight?
There's allot more to this story then we're hearing. Sounds like a terribly dysfunctional family, or maybe they're just heavy sleepers.
Being a minor the first thing this young fellow should have done was tell his parents hey Uncle Buck is planning on kicking my ***, can ya help me out? The time it took to break the door down and the noise it would've caused should have woke everyone in the house.
At any rate I hope justice is served, see to me age doesn't matter if you are found guilty then you pay the price, especially when it's a capital offense.
There's allot more to this story then we're hearing. Sounds like a terribly dysfunctional family, or maybe they're just heavy sleepers.
Being a minor the first thing this young fellow should have done was tell his parents hey Uncle Buck is planning on kicking my ***, can ya help me out? The time it took to break the door down and the noise it would've caused should have woke everyone in the house.
At any rate I hope justice is served, see to me age doesn't matter if you are found guilty then you pay the price, especially when it's a capital offense.
this kids probly got the worst. OK he was artifitally inceminated, He never met his dad and his mom his a homosexual. hes never talked about it . i know its been burning up inside. maybe thats why he went a little to crazy and killed his uncle. who knows. but the night this happened, his mom didnt do a thing. the only time she came out was when he was screaming that his uncle was dieing. i think she should be the one put in jail. if it wasnt for her none of this would have happened. she had called the uncle earlyer that day saying that her son needs some dicipline . its all her fault.
Edited by - knifepunk on 9/20/2002 2:48:32 PM
Edited by - knifepunk on 9/20/2002 2:48:32 PM