Hollow grind for serrated edge?

[Paul 883215]

I was looking through the catalog today and I noticed that almost all of the fully serrated models are pictured with hollow ground. Is that done on purpose? Do serrations work better on a hollow grind than a full flat grind?

Paul

[JD Spydo]

I was looking through the catalog today and I noticed that almost all of the fully serrated models are pictured with hollow ground. Is that done on purpose? Do serrations work better on a hollow grind than a full flat grind?

Paul

Well Paul that is an interesting observation and I have to agree with you for the most part. Because some of the fully serrated Spyders that I traded away that I miss the most are some of the flat grind Spyderedged models like my first Caly Jr and the big C-54 Calypso.

However I'm not sure if either blade grind has a noteworthy advantage because Spyderco's serrations are bad to the bone no matter what blade geometry you put them on. But I have noticed that many of them are on hollow ground blades to be sure.

One of my most sacred Spyderco fixed blades is my full Spyderedge Temperance 1 model. I'm trying desperately hard to find another one of those for backup. I do know that model cuts like a crocidile :cool: Which drives me crazy that they don't offer the Temperance 2 in Spyderedge :confused:

I hope someone knows the answer to this question.

[The Deacon]

Most of the full flat ground models are aimed primarily at collectors and the "afi" commuinty, most of whom prefer plain edge blades. Saber ground blades, both flat and hollow, find more favor with the "Save and Serve" community and the general knife buying public. The Save and Serve folks also tend to buy more serrated blades.

If you want a full flat ground serrated Spyderco there are some out there. The FRN Stretch, Tenacious, and Military come to mind.

[2cha]

Spyderco catalog also shows a UK rescue FFG, although I had to spec. order as no retailers seem to have any.

[bohica1998]

If you want a full flat ground serrated Spyderco there are some out there. The FRN Stretch, Tenacious, and Military come to mind.

Plus, there is the upcoming brown Matriarch, which will be FFG in both the PE and SE versions.

[JD Spydo]

I still think this is a very interesting topic that PAUL brings up because in all the time I've been here at Spyderville I don't recall any threads that examined or determined which blade geometry did best with Spyderedges.

Or how they perform (better or worse) on different edge and blade geometries. And I do respectfully take issue about the serrated flat grind blades. Because Spyderedges do perform differently with flat grind blades. I can't say that there is a huge advantage but common sense will tell you that each blade geometry has it's advantages and disadvantages>> and I'm now wondering what it would be like to do some "SIDE BY SIDE" comparisons.

Because I do know that my fixed blade FB-05 Temperance 1 model in SE is truly a beast of a cutter :cool: . And with Spyderco being the undisputed king of Serrations I would think it would be to their advantage to look into it.

There's not one micron of a doubt that Hawkbill blades perform much better with a Spyderedge. I've also thought that the few Spyders with blades that have a convex belly to them really cut well in SE >> i. e. Massad Ayoob model SE, SE blade on big Dyad and the full SE Catcherman just to name a few.

[Paul 883215]

Actually, I am eagerly waiting for the FRN Manix 2. I have the original G 10 and CF models, all I need now is a serrated Manix and I'll have all my bases covered. In the video that Wouter shot (Thanx Wouter!) Eric mentioned that it might be available in both FFG and HG. Serrations are still new to me and I was wondering if you guys had an actual preference.

Thanks,

Paul

[JD Spydo]

Actually, I am eagerly waiting for the FRN Manix 2. I have the original G 10 and CF models, all I need now is a serrated Manix and I'll have all my bases covered. In the video that Wouter shot (Thanx Wouter!) Eric mentioned that it might be available in both FFG and HG. Serrations are still new to me and I was wondering if you guys had an actual preference.

Thanks,

Paul

I've also thought that if they ever made that Chinook III in full SE it would really surprise people how well that model would work in full SE.

I'm still greeving terribly that they never made the C-111 Captain model in SE That model would literally be a virtual hand sized chain saw in Spyderedge. I've also wondered just how well the original fixed blade Perrin model would have been like in SE.

[catamount]

If you want a full flat ground serrated Spyderco there are some out there. The FRN Stretch, Tenacious, and Military come to mind.

Don't forget the Police 3. It's the mother of all FFG SE :spyder: folders :D





I prefer SE with FFG. It offers the same advantages as it does with PE.

[DMgangl]

The Calypso Family is a great example of FFG SE knives that power through very tough jobs. The Police 3 taking alot of great elements of the Calypso makes it the most carried knife in my collection.

DM

[JD Spydo]

The Calypso Family is a great example of FFG SE knives that power through very tough jobs. The Police 3 taking alot of great elements of the Calypso makes it the most carried knife in my collection.

DM

A big loud AMEN!!! to that Brother :cool: And you can go right back to the beginning of the Calypso Family with that Spyderedged version of the C-54 big Calypso. Which makes more of a case that the C-54 model may have been the most overlooked and passed by Spyderco folder ever.

I truly believe had that model been launched at any other time period other than the time it was launched it would have probably been one of the most popular Spyders ever. But the C-54 was so overshadowed by so many of the great models during that GOLDEN ERA Of SPYDERS (1998-2003) that it really never got a chance to make a presence at the dealer shelves.

The Police, JD Smith, The Military and many other barnburners were so hot during that time that it's truly understandable why that knife never got out of the gates. But now it's one of the most celebrated past Spyders ever IMO. Everyone I talk to loves the design of the C-54. It was truly the eptiome of serrated Spyders of the late 90s era. It's a Hall Of Famer in my book.

[ChapmanPreferred]

Interesting discussion.

[Koen Z]

My opinion, correct me if i'm wrong.
SE works best for fiberous materials. Those materials won't clamp the blade like wood can do. So I have no problems with a hollow or saber ground SE knife, but I really prefer full flat for a plain edge knife.

[SaturnNyne]

Spyderco catalog also shows a UK rescue FFG, although I had to spec. order as no retailers seem to have any.

Only the prototype was FFG (which is still shown in the product photo), the production model is hollow.

My opinion, correct me if i'm wrong.
SE works best for fiberous materials. Those materials won't clamp the blade like wood can do. So I have no problems with a hollow or saber ground SE knife, but I really prefer full flat for a plain edge knife.

That's about how I see it. Since SEs aren't used as often in situations where they'll bind up significantly, so they're less likely to benefit from a FFG. That doesn't mean there's never any benefit, just that it seems like the more expensive grind is less likely to benefit a SE than a PE.