Generation 4 Caly?

[MCM]

"hope that the caly 4 has a 4" long blade"

+100

also no love for FRN...... Micarta, Iron wood, anything............. :D

[jezabel]

One thing I dont "get" about a possible Frn version of the Caly 3 is what more could it possibly offer than the legendary Caly Jr? There would be no need to re-tool either...

[The Deacon]

One thing I dont "get" about a possible Frn version of the Caly 3 is what more could it possibly offer than the legendary Caly Jr? There would be no need to re-tool either...

+1 Could not blame Spyderco for deciding the risk of investing in molds for an FRN version was too great after what we can reasonably assume were lackluster sales of the G-10 one.

As for the Calypso Jr, a couple slight mods on the blade would be nice though. Ditch the spine bevel and round the transition between the ramp and spine slightly. Jimping would be the icing on the cake. Then again, that would pretty much describe an unlined FRN Caly 4. :D

[supermatch38sa]

+1 Could not blame Spyderco for deciding the risk of investing in molds for an FRN version was too great after what we can reasonably assume were lackluster sales of the G-10 one.

As for the Calypso Jr, a couple slight mods on the blade would be nice though. Ditch the spine bevel and round the transition between the ramp and spine slightly. Jimping would be the icing on the cake. Then again, that would pretty much describe an unlined FRN Caly 4. :D

+1000, the calypso jr. is to me the best slicer around, the second being the stretch , sorry Paul, lol.
Best,
Jose

[The Deacon]

+1000, the calypso jr. is to me the best slicer around, the second being the stretch , sorry Paul, lol.
Best,
Jose

No apology needed, I've said the same myself more than once. I think it's because the Calypso Jr. is ground thinner behind the edge. One of these days I'll put that to the test by having Tom Krein thin down a Stretch for me. :D

[Slick]

Then there's the Sage, which answers the question "what would you get if you crossed a Caly 3 and a Native". :D

Plenty of "cross pollination" in the Spyderco lineup. :D

I prefer and will pay for a Golden made knife. Not everyone will. I prefer domestic steels and Spyderco designs. Laminated S30V is my current favorite but solid S30V works for me as well.

I also love the peel ply CF scales but the cost is an issue for me as well as others here.

I hope Sal and company can produse CF scales for all their main stream knives. I can not not buy enough CF scaled knives to make a run pay off for Spyderco.

Business is business and the best of intentions will fail if it is not profitable.

[jabba359]

I prefer and will pay for a Golden made knife. Not everyone will. I prefer domestic steels and Spyderco designs. Laminated S30V is my current favorite but solid S30V works for me as well.

That's fine if you don't want to buy foreign made knives, but just thought I would point out that the Sage uses both domestic steel (Crucible's S30V) and a Spyderco design, FWIW.

I also prefer Golden knives, but only because they say "USA, Earth" on them. But I'll buy foreign knives because A) they're still great quality, B) they usually offer great value as well, and C) Golden doesn't have capacity to make all the different models themselves, so I'll take foreign makers in exchange for a wider variety of models.

[jezabel]

+1 Could not blame Spyderco for deciding the risk of investing in molds for an FRN version was too great after what we can reasonably assume were lackluster sales of the G-10 one.

As for the Calypso Jr, a couple slight mods on the blade would be nice though. Ditch the spine bevel and round the transition between the ramp and spine slightly. Jimping would be the icing on the cake. Then again, that would pretty much describe an unlined FRN Caly 4. :D

Your right there Paul, Jimping on a Caly Jr would the be icing on the cake. I cant agree with on the spine bevel modifications though... :p

On a side note... I somehow managed to resist buying a Se Micarta Jr in the weekend, I really wanted to spend some of my overtime pay, but local prices brought be back to reality yet again....

Jez

[The Deacon]

Your right there Paul, Jimping on a Caly Jr would the be icing on the cake. I cant agree with on the spine bevel modifications though... :p

On a side note... I somehow managed to resist buying a Se Micarta Jr in the weekend, I really wanted to spend some of my overtime pay, but local prices brought be back to reality yet again....

Jez

For me the beveled spine represents one of the small ironies of life, or perhaps just another proof that Sal believes in Emerson's theory regarding consistency as strongly as I do. :D I see it as one of the few times he places esthetics above function and ergonomics since, for any given blade thickness, a full width spine is more comfortable and offers better control if one needs to press on it while cutting.

[choubbi]

For me the beveled spine represents one of the small ironies of life, or perhaps just another proof that Sal believes in Emerson's theory regarding consistency as strongly as I do. :D I see it as one of the few times he places esthetics above function and ergonomics since, for any given blade thickness, a full width spine is more comfortable and offers better control if one needs to press on it while cutting.

Wasn't it supposed to reduce the drag of the knife when slicing through thick stuff ?

I love the swedge of the Calypso Jr, if I knew how to make a clean one on my other knives, that would already be done, at least on my other main EDCs.

[sal]

Sorry if it seems like our lack of decision is seen as "dancing"

Some thoughts to share.

The Caly is a very narrow (top to bottom) gentleman's model. It is this narrow pattern that is much of the appeal to the design. Keeping it narrow has certain requirements;

1. Not enough room for screw construction other than for the pivot.
2. Not enough room for a deep finger choil.

We can make the model wider, but that's why we have the Sage series. Wider than the Caly, but narrower than the Native.

We do have a design for a 3.5" blade Caly (89mm). (It really wouldn't be a "4" because it is a different blade size). Longer than the Caly, but shorter than the full sized Calypso.

We have jimping on both the spine and finger choil, with the sharp corner in front of the jimping rounded. Full flat round VG-10.

One of the major set-backs is the cost. Sales are slow, I believe, on the Caly3 because of the high cost. The maker is expensive, but has excellent quality. The scalesa re machined inthe US and shipped to Seki-City. Combined with the fact that the Yen is now consideraly stronger than the dollar, with no reduction in sight.

A new model, made like the Caly3, but larger, will also be expensive, so brisk sales are not likely. Whether or not we can do it will depend on the maker's ability to cooperate.

We've not decided on handle material. The least expensive is usually aluminum. Even anodized, it's not a highly regarded material for many.

My peference is for the Caly3 constuction with full skeltonized liners and a thin scale for traction and appearance. This also provides a good platform for aftermarket customizing. I'd love to do something like ironwood, but it's not an economy solution.

We're hoping to have a prototype to show at the Shot Show.

Hi Paul,

I agree that full width spines are comfortable from top pressure, I also agree that the point on the tip of the spine above the hole should be softened.

The sharp corner of the full width spine does "scrape" the side of matererial being cut though, which is less efficient. A chamfer or bevel reduces the friction, but creates a less comfortable pad for the finger on the spine.

I've thought about a small radius on the sharp corner of the spine. Difficult to do, but it may be the best compromise. :confused:

sal

[Ben_1323]

Sorry if it seems like our lack of decision is seen as "dancing"

Some thoughts to share.

The Caly is a very narrow (top to bottom) gentleman's model. It is this narrow pattern that is much of the appeal to the design. Keeping it narrow has certain requirements;

1. Not enough room for screw construction other than for the pivot.
2. Not enough room for a deep finger choil.

We can make the model wider, but that's why we have the Sage series. Wider than the Caly, but narrower than the Native.

We do have a design for a 3.5" blade Caly (89mm). (It really wouldn't be a "4" because it is a different blade size). Longer than the Caly, but shorter than the full sized Calypso.

We have jimping on both the spine and finger choil, with the sharp corner in front of the jimping rounded. Full flat round VG-10.

One of the major set-backs is the cost. Sales are slow, I believe, on the Caly3 because of the high cost. The maker is expensive, but has excellent quality. The scalesa re machined inthe US and shipped to Seki-City. Combined with the fact that the Yen is now consideraly stronger than the dollar, with no reduction in sight.

A new model, made like the Caly3, but larger, will also be expensive, so brisk sales are not likely. Whether or not we can do it will depend on the maker's ability to cooperate.

We've not decided on handle material. The least expensive is usually aluminum. Even anodized, it's not a highly regarded material for many.

My peference is for the Caly3 constuction with full skeltonized liners and a thin scale for traction and appearance. This also provides a good platform for aftermarket customizing. I'd love to do something like ironwood, but it's not an economy solution.

We're hoping to have a prototype to show at the Shot Show.

Hi Paul,

I agree that full width spines are comfortable from top pressure, I also agree that the point on the tip of the spine above the hole should be softened.

The sharp corner of the full width spine does "scrape" the side of matererial being cut though, which is less efficient. A chamfer or bevel reduces the friction, but creates a less comfortable pad for the finger on the spine.

I've thought about a small radius on the sharp corner of the spine. Difficult to do, but it may be the best compromise. :confused:

sal

Thanks for chiming in Sal!

I really like the sound of a 3.5" Caly. It would be a great size for EDC here in Colorado, as I'm sure you're aware of the 3.5'' blade limit.

Personally, I would love if you could make it screw construction, even if you had to make it a little wider. My biggest fear with a knife is that it will rust on the inside, and if it's pinned I won't be able to clean it out.

You mentioned that you already make the wider Sage series, but if you made the Caly 4 with a 3.5" blade and kept the same blade shape as the Caly 3 (and wider), I think it would be very different from the Sage.

Oh, and my vote for handle material would be carbon fiber. EDIT: Sorry, I forgot about keeping price down. I would like aluminum as well. Inserts would be nice, like MCM mentioned below.

[noddy]

Just been gazing longingly at Simon G's titanium UKPK

A Ti Caly3 - enough to make a person weep :) :D :D

[MCM]

"We've not decided on handle material. The least expensive is usually aluminum. Even anodized, it's not a highly regarded material for many."

I like Machined anodized alum. What they need is quality inserts though.
Kraton, Micarta, G-10, CF, Etc. That might be an affordable option if you wanted to try something like Iron wood inserts.

Just a thought......
Here a few with Alum/ Kraton. Carried the 1st one everyday for 5-6 yrs with no wear or peeling.



Just a thought......

[bh49]

We do have a design for a 3.5" blade Caly (89mm). (It really wouldn't be a "4" because it is a different blade size). Longer than the Caly, but shorter than the full sized Calypso.

We have jimping on both the spine and finger choil, with the sharp corner in front of the jimping rounded. Full flat round VG-10.

One of the major set-backs is the cost. Sales are slow, I believe, on the Caly3 because of the high cost. The maker is expensive, but has excellent quality. The scalesa re machined inthe US and shipped to Seki-City. Combined with the fact that the Yen is now consideraly stronger than the dollar, with no reduction in sight.

A new model, made like the Caly3, but larger, will also be expensive, so brisk sales are not likely. Whether or not we can do it will depend on the maker's ability to cooperate.

We've not decided on handle material. The least expensive is usually aluminum. Even anodized, it's not a highly regarded material for many.

My peference is for the Caly3 constuction with full skeltonized liners and a thin scale for traction and appearance. This also provides a good platform for aftermarket customizing. I'd love to do something like ironwood, but it's not an economy solution.

We're hoping to have a prototype to show at the Shot Show.

Hi Paul,

I agree that full width spines are comfortable from top pressure, I also agree that the point on the tip of the spine above the hole should be softened.

The sharp corner of the full width spine does "scrape" the side of matererial being cut though, which is less efficient. A chamfer or bevel reduces the friction, but creates a less comfortable pad for the finger on the spine.

I've thought about a small radius on the sharp corner of the spine. Difficult to do, but it may be the best compromise. :confused:

sal

Sal,
Thank you very much for sharing. I hope maker will cooperate.
3.5" narrow blade Caly with would be great (I like R2, but blade is little too wide for my taste, also I prefer sharp tip of Caly). I hope it will have tip up option and low riding wire clip. And please, no swedge. Little chamfer like .010"max would be great.

[bh49]

One of the major set-backs is the cost. Sales are slow, I believe, on the Caly3 because of the high cost. The maker is expensive, but has excellent quality. The scalesa re machined inthe US and shipped to Seki-City. Combined with the fact that the Yen is now consideraly stronger than the dollar, with no reduction in sight.
sal

Caly4 will need all new tooling, why not to bring it to Golden? Many people would love it. S30V or 154CM would be great.

I've thought about a small radius on the sharp corner of the spine. Difficult to do, but it may be the best compromise. :confused:

sal

Tumbling blanks in proper ceramic media in soft state can do the trick. Grit and time will depend on hardness of the blanks and tumbling equipment.

[Blerv]

Caly4 will need all new tooling, why not to bring it to Golden? Many people would love it. S30V or 154CM would be great.

Crucible is a fine example of a financial nightmare, 154 and s30 might be dinosaurs soon. Or they could recover fine. The yen is stronger than the dollar so it's more expensive there in some ways. That said, perhaps the manufacturer can do some things Golden would prefer not to or can't(speculation).

We are at a volatile time in history. Sometimes you just gotta be appeciative of what you get. The manix2 is USA born so for those where place of origin matters they can get an outstanding knife for $65. It basically makes it's competitors into a laughing stock :) .

IF we get a Caly4 I'll be happy. Being an AFI model it doesn't seem like a profit monster. I've never seen one at a mainstream knife store or even some specialty shops .

[SecSpyral]

I'm gonna be all over a FRN Caly :spyder:

[Blerv]

I'm gonna be all over a FRN Caly :spyder:

+1 bigtime

[araneae]

I would like to see a Caly built like the UKPK, but FRN. Keep the slightly deeper choil, no liners, and a perhaps a steel that we aren't seeing from Spyderco now. In the current economy a bargain priced Caly should be a better seller.

Or as many have said just bring back the Caly Jr for another run. 1095 carbon steel would be sweeeet!