Endura / Delica - full flat FRN - need input

[alecki]

Absolutely a great idea. FFG on a Delica/Endura in light Grey, Safety Orange and Burgandy would look great to me.

[Piercieve]

Sal,

First off thanks for asking for our input.

I think that the following colors would be very nice.

Thank you, that is the exact color brown I was going to suggest. Saved me some time. A FFG delica would look incredible in that color brown.

[redyps04]

- clear - if technically feasible this would be THE positive eyecatcher - especially for all technically interested people, "cool people", ...

I wasn't even thinking about that. I've been waiting on a clear FRN model for some time now. That would be great for the general public and AFI's alike.

[Fozzy]

Glow in the dark of course! :D

Re: Clear/translucent FRN- If I remember correctly, the reason that this isnt' feasible is because the only way to make the polymer clear or translucent is to eliminate the fiberglass. (The "F" in "FRN")

I dig the earth color and the turquiose too!

[tomoto]

This sounds like an awesome idea!
Personally, I'd like to see..:
1.Dark/Night Blue (seems like this is a common one :D )
2. Dark Red
3. Orange

[anthonyc]

to be honest, im sick of these fruit loop colors.

[KP]

I'd love to chime in on this. Really, it's a great opportunity not only to provide input, but also hope to have what you wished for in production.

By now, everybody had mentioned by far more colors than I ever suspected existed.

So, I'd just second the idea of clear/transparent one - it is novel and is certainly not represented by any competitor. Idea with logo/quote personal customization is also interesting.

[Wanderer]

I think a camo mix of Black, Foliage Green, and Tan or Dark Earth type of colors would be unique and really cool. :)

[tea]

This thread is long. So I admit to skipping to the end.

I agree with the "Sick of fruit loop colours." comment.

Anything dark would be great. Dark grey, darker tan, a brown. Maybe even a 'spruce' green. Lighter then the Green FRN currently being made- but not anything 'neon' obviously.

Thanks for allowing us input. This is what sets you and your company apart from the others.

Also, for what it is worth- I would buy this knife. I have two Delica's collecting dust. I tried to like them. I tried really hard. But I hate the saber.

[srram]

Awesome idea! I would like the toxic green of the USN Endura
an orange and maroon. The Endura is my favorite knife and
while I would hate to lose the sabre grind which I love, I would
snap up any new variations. Many thanks for asking.

[VashHash]

i've already stated my liking to glow in the dark but the delica was my first spyderco EDC and i would like to see it in a flat grind doesn't matter what color i'd even carry a pink one aslong as it's FFG i don't care what color it is

[Fred Sanford]

I went through the current posts, tried to figure out what the most popular color wants were, and did some Photoshop examples. I may not have gotten the exact tone that everyone had in mind for their listed color, but I did my best to represent. I didn't bother to include the Toxic Green in my efforts since you can just look at a picture of the USN Endura if you want to see that color. So here's what I came up with:



Glow-in-the-Dark (I attempted to give it the glowing effect on the back half)
Coyote Brown (Coyote may be a bit lighter tan than what I came up with, but I like this brown)
Maroon/Dark Brick Red

That brown is perfect. Even a little darker would be ok.


On a side note....
I'm not real sure why everyone is requesting weird bright colors and colors that have been used already. Sal stated that's not what he wanted. :confused:

We're planning to make a change to a full flat grind on the Endura and Delica FRN models. We are concerned that the change to the grind could be received poorly by those that like grind lines and "stronger" saber grinds.

In order to test reacton without changing the current models, Eric would like to make some Endura and Delica models with full flat grinds (VG-10) but use some new colors to distinguish them from the current models. Odd colors that we've not used, maybe 3 or 4.

I know most of you ar afi's, but our interest is in what the "general" market might like.

I need your input on 3 or 4 colors with which to test these flat ground versions.

sal

People are not going to like bright orange, toxic green, clear, lime green, purple, pink and other crazy colors. Trust me, I get enough comments at work whenever I carry a bright colored knife.

I would say 90% of the folks out there like earth tones that are not outlandish. Look at the cars people buy and the colors on them. You don't see orange houses and lime green houses. People don't walk around with bright green or bright blue pants on. Come on folks....

[markg]

Since you make trainers of this model, I would stay away from red of any type.

I also would not make it a color that is so off the wall, the general public would reject it on handle color (and not blade grind). Colors like purple might fall under that.

I think the BEST color is coyote brown... That brown in the post above is pretty sharp looking color. I would buy one of each frankly just for the handle colore alone.

[tap]

If you were to introduce 3 or 4 new colors without changing the grind sales would increase. The same thing would happen with a grind change. Some people will continue to buy the old colors simply because of the colors. You will not be able to interpret any meaningful results from this test because you are introducing too many variables.
The question is "how many broken tips are going to happen". You have already done the bending force tests. Is it a non issue, a little issue, or a big issue. You went with the "stronger" tip for a reason. If you can go FF without compromising the tip then I would say go for it.
My first two Spydercos were BRG D4's ( half and full choppers) when they first came out. One or the other has been in my pocket every day. I did remove the grind lines about 6 months ago. So they currently look like FF without any loss in "strength". I do think that they look better.
Dark Brown, Old Brick Red , Silver Gray, Cardboard Brown, Burnt Orange, Coyote Brown.

[knifedude]

Thanks for asking our opion

1] HUNTER ORANGE PLEASE! PLEASE! PLEASE!!

2] REALTREE OR MOSSY OAK CAMO

3] HUNTER GREEN

with the FFG this just might be the perfect knife!!!!

[224477]

Would anyone be able to photoshop a CLEAR FRN Endura? :eek:

Just wondering... Thanks anyway :)

[The Deacon]

Would anyone be able to photoshop a CLEAR FRN Endura? :eek:

Just wondering... Thanks anyway :)

I don't believe "clear" FRN would be anywhere near clear. Even straight nylon, the "N" in FRN, with no dye added has a somewhat cloudy appearance, the thicker it is, the cloudier it looks. Then add all the little bits of fiberglass flock that make up the "FR" portion of its name. Spyderco uses top grade FRN, that means a LOT of those little glass fibers. So, even more cloudiness. Am thinking, at best, it would look like a milky white version of the G-10 on the Leafstorm.

Also, I believe this was touched on by someone earlier, but might bear further comment. Whenever I was testing new software, or trying to find and fix a bug, SOP was to change one thing at a time. If you made multiple changes, you could never be sure which worked and, worst yet, might miss a cure by introducing both it and another error, similar to but different from, the one you were attempting to fix.

So, in this case, if a brown handled knife with a full flat grind sells better than a black one with a flat saber grind, there will still be the question of why. Did people buy the color in spite of the grind, or perhaps the grind in spite of the color?

[redyps04]

I'm not real sure why everyone is requesting weird bright colors and colors that have been used already. Sal stated that's not what he wanted. :confused:

People are not going to like bright orange, toxic green, clear, lime green, purple, pink and other crazy colors. Trust me, I get enough comments at work whenever I carry a bright colored knife.

I would say 90% of the folks out there like earth tones that are not outlandish. Look at the cars people buy and the colors on them. You don't see orange houses and lime green houses. People don't walk around with bright green or bright blue pants on. Come on folks....

I'm going to have to back David up on this. I'm really not for the crazy outlandish colors and I'm pretty sure the general public wouldn't be either. However, the two exceptions are:

1) Orange because there is a clear use for it in a variety of settings- think hunters and EMT's who don't like the sheepsfoot of the Rescue, and,

2) Ladybugs. It's a lot easier to pass off all the crazy colors you could think of on these because of thier possible novelty status.

[tap]

So, in this case, if a brown handled knife with a full flat grind sells better than a black one with a flat saber grind, there will still be the question of why. Did people buy the color in spite of the grind, or perhaps the grind in spite of the color?

That is the point that I was trying to make. I had a longer post but lost it. In the case of the BRG, I got the best possible steel at the time with the best possible color of all time. HSLD. I NEED a strong tip.

[elduderino04]

I have to agree with everyone about the lack of appeal to the general public of bright colors (the exception being Orange, however, as this certainly would appeal to hunters and perhaps EMTs and the like. Another advantage is that it looks more innocuous to NKP. This, however, I believe is negated by the large size of the Endura.)

I would LOVE to see a midnight blue (Jabba's Navy Blue was great, but I would buy 10 if the blue went even darker), and a gunmetal or graphite grey. I think both of these colors are subdued enough to appeal to the public, but are different enough to differentiate these knives. Thanks a lot Sal for involving us in this process!