I just wanted too see the opinion of the majority I know the peg might get blasted out of the water but i'd like too see what lock yall prefer I personally like pegs and Lockback's (Rookie hasn't convinced me on the pegs yet but he swayed my Lock theory<img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
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Peg Vs Hole & Liner Lock Vs Lockback
Well, it's a good question actually.
I am definately sold on the hole. I can't fathom an incident that I could not find away to open it some how. Even if one arm was pinned down and the other had burnt or broken fingers, I think I could hook the hole on something (even my tongue if necessary!) and pull it open.
As to locks? Hmmmm....
I have had both lockbacks and liner locks 'fail' under a tight grip (I have very meaty hands though)in practice situations. I'm a little leery of both to be quite honest. If I really (as in LIFE)depended on a blade I would chose a fixed I think.
I do like the secondary lock that Gerber (sorry!)uses on their Covert folder. It pivots down and over the liner lock to keep it from moving off of the back of the blade. It is simple yet effective.
Mongrel
I am definately sold on the hole. I can't fathom an incident that I could not find away to open it some how. Even if one arm was pinned down and the other had burnt or broken fingers, I think I could hook the hole on something (even my tongue if necessary!) and pull it open.
As to locks? Hmmmm....
I have had both lockbacks and liner locks 'fail' under a tight grip (I have very meaty hands though)in practice situations. I'm a little leery of both to be quite honest. If I really (as in LIFE)depended on a blade I would chose a fixed I think.
I do like the secondary lock that Gerber (sorry!)uses on their Covert folder. It pivots down and over the liner lock to keep it from moving off of the back of the blade. It is simple yet effective.
Mongrel
Well Ya see The liner lock is tons faster in my case that It would almost take precidense and i agree about the life and death situation.
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For opening mechanisms, I like a large, easy-to-hit target that my thumb won't slip off. For my hands, it's not even close, the hole is so much better than the thumb stud. I like the top-mounted disk second best, thumb studs a distant third.
I don't buy liner locks for anything but light-use gents' knives. I like lockbacks much better. I like the framelock and some of the new technology locks -- like the axis and compression lock -- better still.
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I don't buy liner locks for anything but light-use gents' knives. I like lockbacks much better. I like the framelock and some of the new technology locks -- like the axis and compression lock -- better still.
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I find studs to cut into my thumb. I only own and use one knife with a 'stud', the LCC DA with the stepped double stud.
I find I have no problem opening a knife with either hand, from any carry position(before I carried r/l combo, I drew my delica left handed from the right). You just can't do that with a stud.
As for lock type, I love the simplicity of the liner, but it's not made for left handed use(although it can be done*playing leftie with the cricket right now*). For ambi use, I'd say the axis... but thats not a choice... so the lockback is the better choice.
<img src=http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/372fcedb ... 8A88UxWudf> We all start with 10 fingers. Those with Spydies have 9 to spare, Still need a thumb. Good thing I still have 8 to spare... <img src=http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/372fcedb ... 8A88UxWudf>
I find I have no problem opening a knife with either hand, from any carry position(before I carried r/l combo, I drew my delica left handed from the right). You just can't do that with a stud.
As for lock type, I love the simplicity of the liner, but it's not made for left handed use(although it can be done*playing leftie with the cricket right now*). For ambi use, I'd say the axis... but thats not a choice... so the lockback is the better choice.
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Rtex, please come to the light. THE HOLE IS BETTER!
"The Spyderco Trademark Round Hole is the industry symbol of quality. It is our most recognizable feature and facilitates easy opening and closing of our knives with one hand. The hole offers convenient access and maximum control while opening as well as accommodating large, small and gloved hands. The position of the hole in the blade and the fact that it is round allow for a continuous opening motion. The thumb rests against the hole at a comfortable distance from the palm permitting easy rotation from the pivot point."
The peg is not able to be opened lefty and righty. The Hole has that lefty/righty capliblity. It is also able to be opened alot faster.
The lockback and linerlock are the only ones I have experence in. The Lockback is the clear winner. It is alot stronger, very solid, very fast cycle time. It also won't fail under pressure. I was cleaning my friends knife and it had a linerlock. I was testing it and the lock failed on my fingers.
In the end, HOLE AND LOCKBACK ARE BETTER!
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"The Spyderco Trademark Round Hole is the industry symbol of quality. It is our most recognizable feature and facilitates easy opening and closing of our knives with one hand. The hole offers convenient access and maximum control while opening as well as accommodating large, small and gloved hands. The position of the hole in the blade and the fact that it is round allow for a continuous opening motion. The thumb rests against the hole at a comfortable distance from the palm permitting easy rotation from the pivot point."
The peg is not able to be opened lefty and righty. The Hole has that lefty/righty capliblity. It is also able to be opened alot faster.
The lockback and linerlock are the only ones I have experence in. The Lockback is the clear winner. It is alot stronger, very solid, very fast cycle time. It also won't fail under pressure. I was cleaning my friends knife and it had a linerlock. I was testing it and the lock failed on my fingers.
In the end, HOLE AND LOCKBACK ARE BETTER!
Edited by - Rookie on 5/9/2002 7:39:50 AM
Holes and Lockbacks all the way, baby!
Used both a Gerber and Buck, both with studs. The Gerber was just a plain pain-in-the-you-know-where to open, and frankly neither were as comfortable as I would've liked.
Also owned an old Victorianox (sp?), I think the Camper model (?). Lots of cool little tools on that thing, but man, digging my fingernails into the groolves to open it nearly wore my digits to bloody stumps!
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"'The best de-fense is a good o-ffense.' You know who said that? Mel, the cook from 'Alice'!" - Ed Gruberman
Used both a Gerber and Buck, both with studs. The Gerber was just a plain pain-in-the-you-know-where to open, and frankly neither were as comfortable as I would've liked.
Also owned an old Victorianox (sp?), I think the Camper model (?). Lots of cool little tools on that thing, but man, digging my fingernails into the groolves to open it nearly wore my digits to bloody stumps!
<img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>hole rocks!
"'The best de-fense is a good o-ffense.' You know who said that? Mel, the cook from 'Alice'!" - Ed Gruberman
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For me, hole and lockback. The hole is far easier than a stud to use, as precise thumb placement is not as important. Lockbacks are simply stronger than a linerlock.
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For me, hole and lockback. The hole is far easier than a stud to use, as precise thumb placement is not as important. Lockbacks are simply stronger than a linerlock.
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I started with thumb studs so I have some afinity for them. But I must say since finding the hole I've never looked back.
The only time a thumb stud has a slight advantage is when you want to thumb flick it open. Mind you this doesn't work too well with lockbacks (too much positive pressure), also because of their slick liner locks I can thumb flick the Howard Veile and Chinese Folder quite easily.
I think on balance I prefer lock backs, but still admire the slickness of liner locks.
Walk softly, carry a big stick.
The only time a thumb stud has a slight advantage is when you want to thumb flick it open. Mind you this doesn't work too well with lockbacks (too much positive pressure), also because of their slick liner locks I can thumb flick the Howard Veile and Chinese Folder quite easily.
I think on balance I prefer lock backs, but still admire the slickness of liner locks.
Walk softly, carry a big stick.
Rtex, the hole is alot easier to open because it catches your thumb and doesn't require thinking(very good thing). Give me a call if ya read this.
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Ok so far its Holes and Lockbacks 7 with Pegs and Liner locks at a lowly 3
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The hole is my favorite. What's a knife without the hole? (Especially a round one<img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
About the lock... I used to do a lot of knifethrowing and it hapened that the linerlocks would let the blade loose and close the knife at the impact. (It seldom happens to lockbacks, though). But the linerlock becomes more handy at closing the knife. Just in case you'll ask what's the use of easily closing the knife, when usually the point is to open the knife as esily as possible, imagine yourself hanging on a rope, or something and needing the knife. So, with one hand you hang by that rope, the other slides in your pocket / belt or whatsoever, grabs the knife, easily opens it due to the Round Hole™ <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> and cuts - also easily - what's to be cut. Now comes the other part, when you have to close the knife also one handed, and put it back in your pocket / sheath aso. And here's where the liner comes to. At most of the lockback folders you have to push the lever somewhere in the middle of the scales. Sometimes, if you squeeze it to hard, and if you have big, chunky hands, the folder could close accidentally. Also, if you try to close the knife one handed, you could drop it. There are knives where you push the lever somewhere at the end of the scales but I don't remember seing such models at <img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>. At least, that's my oppinion.
About the lock... I used to do a lot of knifethrowing and it hapened that the linerlocks would let the blade loose and close the knife at the impact. (It seldom happens to lockbacks, though). But the linerlock becomes more handy at closing the knife. Just in case you'll ask what's the use of easily closing the knife, when usually the point is to open the knife as esily as possible, imagine yourself hanging on a rope, or something and needing the knife. So, with one hand you hang by that rope, the other slides in your pocket / belt or whatsoever, grabs the knife, easily opens it due to the Round Hole™ <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> and cuts - also easily - what's to be cut. Now comes the other part, when you have to close the knife also one handed, and put it back in your pocket / sheath aso. And here's where the liner comes to. At most of the lockback folders you have to push the lever somewhere in the middle of the scales. Sometimes, if you squeeze it to hard, and if you have big, chunky hands, the folder could close accidentally. Also, if you try to close the knife one handed, you could drop it. There are knives where you push the lever somewhere at the end of the scales but I don't remember seing such models at <img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>. At least, that's my oppinion.
Errrrr ake that 8 too 3 hehe
You have a poiont dialex but since your probably not gonna have that situation i guess a lockback is more practicle
But I think a Peg is almost as easy as a hole
but still i thank you for your opinion
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You have a poiont dialex but since your probably not gonna have that situation i guess a lockback is more practicle
But I think a Peg is almost as easy as a hole
but still i thank you for your opinion
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Huge advantage to holes and lockbacks. Holes are not only asthetically more pleasing, they do not catch on clothing and are ambidextrious.
A well-made lockback is inherently stronger than a similar quality liner lock. So if you are attached to your fingers and want to keep them attached to you, your chances are better with a lockback.
See why this combination keeps pulling away from the others?
A well-made lockback is inherently stronger than a similar quality liner lock. So if you are attached to your fingers and want to keep them attached to you, your chances are better with a lockback.
See why this combination keeps pulling away from the others?
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Normally prefer holes and liner locks.
Thumbstuds can be ok, but most of the time I find them easier to fumble and easier to open by accident in the pocket.
I have had more cheap lockback fail on me than cheap liner locks. With good quality knives (Spyderco and Benchmade) I have never had either fail on me, but I prefer the ease of closing of the liner lock.
Thumbstuds can be ok, but most of the time I find them easier to fumble and easier to open by accident in the pocket.
I have had more cheap lockback fail on me than cheap liner locks. With good quality knives (Spyderco and Benchmade) I have never had either fail on me, but I prefer the ease of closing of the liner lock.
The technology in lockbacks is older and more refined than linerlocks. We're still learning more about Walker's linerlocks at a faster rate than we learn about lockbacks. Although both can still be developed and improved.
Lockbacks have the ability for for greater ultimate strength than linerlocks.
Linerlocks, if properly made, have the advantage of "non catastrophic failure".
Both can be screwed up in the mfg process, and a poorly made lockback is just as bad as a poorly maded linerlock.
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Lockbacks have the ability for for greater ultimate strength than linerlocks.
Linerlocks, if properly made, have the advantage of "non catastrophic failure".
Both can be screwed up in the mfg process, and a poorly made lockback is just as bad as a poorly maded linerlock.
sal