Superhawk - SE?

[Left Hand Path]

Any chance of a Superhawk in SE? :confused:

[ClockWork]

IMHO

I doubt it.

I'm not sure about this...
But i think that the SuperHawk bombed. Hard.

Hawkbills are a very select group of knives. Not very many people are that into Hawkbills.

Plus, I dont think it really had quite the amount of Downward curve- downward lower point angle thing that allot of us were hoping for.

Plus. Its expensive. Really expensive. Too expensive.
At retail price around 180-190 or so.... i dont think People want to drop that kind of coin.
And maybe this is just me... But it lacks what I expect from a 180 dollar knife. Jimping, Titanium, maybe some machining on the handle, CMP-S30v or so

I dont think enough people are interested, or are interested in paying 180 dollars for the knife. My guess is that it will be discontinued this year. And maybe sometime next year, it will go on clearance.... just like the T-Mag.

So I doubt that there will be a SE version that becomes available.
I could be way off here...
This is just my ignorant suppositions and uninformed opinions.... so its very very possible that I am wrong, and the SuperHawk is selling like Hot-Cakes and we will see a SE IDK???

I plan on picking one up at the Spyderco Factory sale; depending on the price.

-ClocK

[McBain]

I would agree with Clockwork about being too expensive, just my opinion...
Price point, or price point perception is a very strange thing, I think that $200 is too expensive for the Superhawk, but if I saw one at $150, I would probably jump on it. Now I also think (for me) that $150 is too much for the CF Caly III, if I saw one of those for $100, I would jump on that.

I can't figure out for the life of me, what the difference is (to me) between $150 spent on a CF Caly III, or if the Superhawk was ever at that price... but it would be the difference between getting one knife and not getting the other...weird...

I certainly don't envy Sal and the crew in having to think about all that when designing/ engineering a knife and the materials used.

[cobrajoe]

If it were available in SE and G-10 handles, I would be looking at it much closer.

I have a PE crossbill, and I'm always dissapointed in the fact that I can't get it as sharp as I want it. The teeth on the serrations really help the bite of a hawk.

[uhiforgot]

I, too, can agree with ClockWork on the matter of price, but I have to say that the gentler curvature is something that I had been hoping for after years of using hawkbill knives. A closer-to-flat angle at the tip of the blade actually makes pulling surface cuts more practical and less volatile.

So far as the serrated edge issue, I was under the impression that the Superhawk WOULD be available in SE. And after the relatively poor sales performance of the PE Merlin, PE Harpy, and PE Tasman, I'd think that SE on the Superhawk would be automatic?

What gives?

[PSU]

So far as the serrated edge issue, I was under the impression that the Superhawk WOULD be available in SE. And after the relatively poor sales performance of the PE Merlin, PE Harpy, and PE Tasman, I'd think that SE on the Superhawk would be automatic?

What gives?

I don't have the answer to your query but I'm sure it can be found somewhere in this thread
:D

[JD Spydo]

OK folks I just got to chime in on this one. And please don't think that I'm doing it to be a contrarian because that's not my motivation at all. But let's consider what all took place that manifested the Superhawk to begin with. As most of you know myself and Doctor Lecter launched a "New Hawkbill" thread going back over 3 & 1/2 years ago. And to many people's annoyance :o or pleasure :cool: it is still running :eek: I'm sure most of you all are very aware of it.

OK let's go back to square #1 before the thread was even launched. At that time there was a model just had just ceased production known as the "SPYDERHAWK". It was the admiration of that model along with some other celebrated Hawkbills that sowed the seed for the SUPERHAWK. Along with some great brainstorming on the big Hawkbill thread by many of Spyderville's finer citizens who did indeed want a New Hawkbill ( and still do).

OK with all that being said the older, discontinued Spyderhawk is now a relatively hot collector piece saught after by collectors and hawkbill users alike. And both the blue plain edge and black handled serrated edge are equally as popular I dare to say and I doubt if I can get anyone to argue that. And I believe that the rise in collector and user popularity of the older Spyderhawk it is going to ultimately result in more demand for the Superhawk. I already see it happening to some degree. Like it's predecessor you know the users especially are going to ask for and eventually demand a serrated version of this new Super Hawkbill >>> especially when it's users see what a powerhouse it is in plain edge it's only natural that they will want to see it's capability in SE.

With all that being said and considering the fact that myself and my good friends and Spyder Brothers i.e. Spydutch and the esteemed Doctor Hannibal Lecter our "In House" Hawkbill Specialist all agree that Hawkbills really excell in the serrated blade especially. It only makes reasonable sense that there will ultimately be a fully and possibly partially serrated Superhawk once sales of the plain edged version escalate to the satisfaction of the Great Spyder Factory. To me it makes no sense what so ever to have a Hawkbill of that caliber and magnanimous quality and not make it available with a serrated edge which would be a user's dream blade>>> and don't lose sight of the fact that great serration patterns are one item that made Spyderco very famous in the first place.

I personally can't see it not happening in due time. But things take time and we've got to see the sales of the first project escalate before we can expect Spyderco to start offering it in fully serrated. Hopefully with a nice blue handle so this model will tastefully reflect it's predecessor the Spyderhawk.

[markg]

True shame... The knife rocks. It is worth the money, IMHO.

[uhiforgot]

It only makes reasonable sense that there will hopefully be a fully and possibly partially serrated Superhawk once sales escalate to the satisfaction of the Great Spyder Factory.

Then it is my sincere hope that the Great Spyder Factory will also take into account the fact that our economy is in the toilet. I dare not say that sales standards for the production of a SE variation should be more lax in times that money is tight, but rather that decisions might be delayed until the people that really want the Superhawk (or other premium Spydies) can afford to purchase them (or are at least more comfortable spending that kind of money) so that Spyderco can gather a more accurate sales figure.

[JD Spydo]

Then it is my sincere hope that the Great Spyder Factory will also take into account the fact that our economy is in the toilet. I dare not say that sales standards for the production of a SE variation should be more lax in times that money is tight, but rather that decisions might be delayed until the people that really want the Superhawk (or other premium Spydies) can afford to purchase them (or are at least more comfortable spending that kind of money) so that Spyderco can gather a more accurate sales figure.

Respectfully Sir I see where you are coming from with your observation. But do keep in mind that people that buy Spyderco's products are quality minded people in the first place. Most of them are not of your rip-mart crowd nor do they follow the "herd mentality" of people who patronize cheap, substandard cutlery.

Personally I'm not a rich man myself. But I much rather have a little bit of something than a whole lot of nothing. I'll take quality anyday before I would sacrifice quality for any substandard discount item.

And considering the quality of Spyderco's knives and the Superhawk in particular>> it's target market is not aimed at people who go to rip-mart to buy a $20 to $30 high production, cheaply made blade that will more than likely end up in the landfill in short order. NO Spyderco customers know that they pay more up front then they have the blade for years to come which ultimately make it a better bargian. Trust me there will be a market for Spyderco knives irrespective of what the economy does.

[uhiforgot]

Respectfully Sir I see where you are coming from with your observation. But do keep in mind that people that buy Spyderco's products are quality minded people in the first place. Most of them are not of your rip-mart crowd nor do they follow the "herd mentality" of people who patronize cheap, substandard cutlery.

Personally I'm not a rich man myself. But I much rather have a little bit of something than a whole lot of nothing. I'll take quality anyday before I would sacrifice quality for any substandard discount item.

And considering the quality of Spyderco's knives and the Superhawk in particular>> it's target market is not aimed at people who go to rip-mart to buy a $20 to $30 high production, cheaply made blade that will more than likely end up in the landfill in short order. NO Spyderco customers know that they pay more up front then they have the blade for years to come which ultimately make it a better bargian. Trust me there will be a market for Spyderco knives irrespective of what the economy does.

Touché!

There will, indeed, always be a market for the high quality found in all Spyderco knives, but I still believe that the new-found premium level blades (Superhawk, ZDP CF Caly 3, Phoenix, Stretch 2, etc.) will be fighting an uphill battle in the coming months.

Spyderco ELU's have demonstrated time and time again how smart they are not only about investing in quality, but about knowing a good value when they see one. Look at the top sellers (assuming they haven't changed in the past few years): Delica, Native, Endura, and Military. These are all high quality knives that are also a great value, but they are not indulgent.

Aside from some of us crazies that have enviable collections laden with carbon fiber, titanium, and exotic blade steels, most ELU's might only indulge in one or two such knives in their lifetime, finances and wives permitting :p but indulgence is not something many of us are willing to invest in right now.

[yablanowitz]

In my admittedly limited experience, the things that hawkbills do best are also things that serrated edges do best. But to my eye, the Superhawk is not optimized for the same things I use my hawkbills for. The lessened curvature and reduced negative blade angle which place the point more in line with the handle are features I would use if I was designing a weapon rather than a utility blade. While I am not terribly squeamish about using an expensive knife for tough jobs, or bothered by the resultant dings and scratches, I am rather hesitant to spend that kind of money on something that appears to be optimized the wrong way for my use. Of course, for all I know, they may be selling like hotcakes for the very reasons I'm not interested in one.

[El Tigre]

Long life to Superhawk. It's the best SD hawkbill.




"El Tigre"

[JD Spydo]

Long life to Superhawk. It's the best SD hawkbill.



"El Tigre"

And for that reason folks the Superhawk won't be done justice unless it gets enough demand to justify making it in the serrated variant. When we had that big Hawkbill thread lobbying for such a knife as the Superhawk at that time it was a given that it would be in serrated like every previous Hawkbill.

Us Hawkbill fans don't give up easy :cool: