Spyderco Persian Schempp

[R.S.R]

I have just checked http://www.heinnie.com have the Spyderco Persian in stock.
It is a UK stockist.
I don,t know if it would be cheaper to buy of them,with the postage,than E bay?
Good luck in your quest to gain the "ultimate" knife.
NB(A rather heavy EDC,if you are used to a Millie!)

[Bam-it]

Thanks, I found the smaller ones. I'm now looking for the large size if you spot one let me know. Thanks,

[The Deacon]

I have just checked http://www.heinnie.com have the Spyderco Persian in stock.
It is a UK stockist.
I don,t know if it would be cheaper to buy of them,with the postage,than E bay?
Good luck in your quest to gain the "ultimate" knife.
NB(A rather heavy EDC,if you are used to a Millie!)

If that were a C83 Persian, that price would be decent. However, if you examine the picture in their ad, you'll see the knife is a C105 75mm Persian.

[amen74]

Aaron,
It is possible, just look hard. Within last few months I bought two slightly used on BF. One for me and one for my friend. Also watch e-bay. If I see it I will let you know. One NIB is on auction now, but NIB is kind of expensive, I saw them go around $150-$180. It makes more sense IMHO to buy user, if you are planning to use and Persian is asking to use it.

Thanks for looking out Roman. I was watching that one. Went for $213!

Also may be we get lucky one day and Spyderco would make C83 Sprint run
Good luck on your search.

Wouldn't that be sweet? :D

[bh49]

Thanks for looking out Roman. I was watching that one. Went for $213!

Aaron,
I think that this is little extreme. Most likely there were no Persians for a while.
Be patient and watch forums for user. Two of my friends bought lightly used on BF few months ago for about $120 shipped. It is much more reasonable. I saw both knives, they were in very good shape.

[Jenner 515]

Having done the sprint run of the Lum Chinese in ZDP (and is it nice wow!)

And the fantastic response two years of anticipation has created.

How about a Sprint run of Large Persians in ZDP? ****, I'd wait three years for such a critter.

[bh49]

Having done the sprint run of the Lum Chinese in ZDP (and is it nice wow!)

And the fantastic response two years of anticipation has created.

How about a Sprint run of Large Persians in ZDP? ****, I'd wait three years for such a critter.

Can we stay within two years limit, please? :D :D :D
BTW, VG10 works for me just fine. I would certainly choose two years in VG10 over three years with ZDP189. :)

[grasshopper]

I looked this up from when the Persian was first introduced. Shows how much thought went into this very fine knife by Mr. Schempp.



I wanted to thank many forumites for their kind comments on the Persian and share some of my thoughts on grip design.

First and formost the grip is your attachment to a working edge. The design of working edge gives a group of tasks that it will perform. Now figure out what gives the best transition from user to tool. Safety, leverage, and vision are all big factors and can be weighted differently. Duress and fatique can be summed up by tactical or worker. Each person would probably weight each of the factors unique. Hand size and grip strength varies tremendously among the using populaton. Biomechanics and ergonomics have made a science out of this interface. The handle for a three second adrenalin charged edged altercation is very different than spending all day skinning 3 beef.

Polling that I have and others have done at this and other forums indicate that many folks carry multiple knives. This allows for alot of speciallization. I carry one knife that has to do what I want. Reguardless of the need, by multitasking with one knife you become more familiar with the one piece than the two or three. The degree of specialization has a lot to do with handle design.

Several characteristics that I like in a handle design: Multiple grip positions, allows for the knife to accommodate more tasks and allows for the user to change positions to prevent fatique. Normally you will see an forward index finger groove at the junction of the blade and handle on my designs.

I like a fairly deep index finger groove. This is the fulcrum of the knife, it sets the range of the teeter totter so to speak. This relates directly to the rotational range of movement of the tip in relation to your index finger, the fulcrum. Test this for yourself; get some flat material .5-1.5 inches in width. Hold the pieces between your thumb and index finger and rotate over your index finger. If you have a Persian try this experiment at the two index finger positions.

I like a curverd butt on the handle. This allows for the multiple grip positions. If you need to penatrate a stubborn substance with the tip, you can put the butt of the knife in the palm of your hand to put the force on the hand in line with the tip. this tremendously relieves the amount of grip pressue to sustain the force.

I like a negative blade angle. This begins to align the edge with larger muscle groups in your arm. This moves some task effort from your wrist up your arm. There will be less wrist and grip fatique with this configuration.

When you purchase one of my designs you will see these characteristics. If it comes through Spyderco, Eric and Sal and the modelling process further refine the piece for the ELU....Thanks...Take Care...Ed

[grasshopper]

One more from the archives by Mr. Schempp. I would like to Add that the Large Persian has become one of my favorite Knives. When you use it for Any
length of time the knife grows on you very quickly!!



There are several features in the design of the C83 Persian that I'd like to share with you folks. I like multiple working grip positions. The back grip on the Persian allows the slightly negative angled blade to work as a 4.5 inch blade rather than its measured lenght of 3.5 inches. By choking up on the blade you have more control for delicate cutting operations. Moving your middle finger into the index finger groove allows for a fine caping action. The knife is narrow at the standard grip index finger position. Your index finger is the fulcurm to which the thumb holds the knife. This positon has alot to do with how easy it is to manipulate the knife with your fingers. Try this out for yourself by using sticks of various widths and see how far you can rotate the sticks between your thumb and forefinger. This knife holds very naturally in the reverse grip position. When the knife is clipped in your right pocket slid back toward your hip, the long radius of the back of the handle guides and slides your hand into the pocket without scraping your hand. This aids in pocket access and knife delivery. Let me congratulate Spyderco on the high quality that this design has been delivered to market. I'm more than satisfied with this vault of a knife..Thanks..Ed Schempp

[bh49]

grasshopper,
Thank you very much for sharing.

[psimonl]

The ONLY thing the Persian is missing is an extra Millimeter in the hole... A 13 mm would have been perfect...

Same goes for the Caly Jr.... :rolleyes:

[amen74]

Aaron,
I think that this is little extreme. Most likely there were no Persians for a while.
Be patient and watch forums for user. Two of my friends bought lightly used on BF few months ago for about $120 shipped. It is much more reasonable. I saw both knives, they were in very good shape.

Roman,

$120 is a lot more reasonable. I'll keep watching the forums for one or two. I know it takes months sometimes, but it seems they always turn up. :D

[Slick]

It is past bedtime so I will not retype my thoughts.

Short form:

The Persians are perfect. They are not my type of knife blade geometry. I tend toward warencliffer blade forms.

My Persians are my classiest knives and get pocket time as dress knives. The litttle one passes all the sheeple challenges. Oooohhh! that is pretty!!!

I do not know how the big one could become a sprint run.

Maybe a ZDP laminated blade. Maybe a different flavor of micarta.

The blade shape must remain. It makes that knife art.