I read the post on how one guy used his Gunting as a control stick to deflate a bar fight situation. His account includes strikes with the butt of the handle as well as the obvious push point on the back of the blade.
My question; is it possible to use other knives, say the Native, nonlethally as a control stick? If so, where should I aim? Should I strike a quick blow or press hard and stay until the person is subdued or backs off? I'm not much of an MBC person, I just carry for utility use, but it would be good IMO to at least have a basic knowledge of nonlethal tactics using a knife beyond using a closed knife as extra weight to a punch, so that my only recourse to a direct threat wouldn't have to be opening the knife (thus escalating the fight and becoming the aggressor should my opponent be unarmed). Getting a Gunting for self-defense is simply out of the question. It's too big, too aggressive-looking, and not designed much for utility use.
One thing I do know about MBC is this: The best way to survive a knife fight is not to get in one.
Knife besides Gunting used as a pressure point control weapon?
The Gunting is not that hard to carry.Get a Kydex rig from "Skunkworks' or"River City Sheaths".They are comfortable carry systems,and keep the Knife accessible.
Although this Blade was designed with self defense in mind, it will perform just about any utility task you would want to try with a pocket Knife.The "ramp" actually acts as a guard, keeping your fingers from sliding forward under pressure.
The Spyderco Endura works well with Yawara stick techs.I modified my Endura'a blade shape.This knife works well for finger traps used to release a "Grab" , or , to use for pain compliance.
The Benchmade Axis 710 is also a good emergency "Yawara/Pocket stick".You can use it for Bottomfist or Ridgehand strikes.It also has a small projection on top of the spine forward of the "Lock".It is radiused(rounded) more than the Gunting, but it still works quite well.Use this projection to capture fingers, hair or an ear.This technique is similar to "Paring" an apple.Catch the finger (I like to trap the thumb) between the projection and your thumb.Use a light touch to practice this technique.Fingers can be broken very easy, especially under stress.This technique works well for setting up joint locks or handcuffing.
The Gunting video tape series demonstrates various Yawara/Kubotan style moves.Check the karate mags for books on the Kubotan for another reference source.
Although this Blade was designed with self defense in mind, it will perform just about any utility task you would want to try with a pocket Knife.The "ramp" actually acts as a guard, keeping your fingers from sliding forward under pressure.
The Spyderco Endura works well with Yawara stick techs.I modified my Endura'a blade shape.This knife works well for finger traps used to release a "Grab" , or , to use for pain compliance.
The Benchmade Axis 710 is also a good emergency "Yawara/Pocket stick".You can use it for Bottomfist or Ridgehand strikes.It also has a small projection on top of the spine forward of the "Lock".It is radiused(rounded) more than the Gunting, but it still works quite well.Use this projection to capture fingers, hair or an ear.This technique is similar to "Paring" an apple.Catch the finger (I like to trap the thumb) between the projection and your thumb.Use a light touch to practice this technique.Fingers can be broken very easy, especially under stress.This technique works well for setting up joint locks or handcuffing.
The Gunting video tape series demonstrates various Yawara/Kubotan style moves.Check the karate mags for books on the Kubotan for another reference source.
Tom,
I used a brand new 80 grit belt and water cooled the blade.The top of the spine forward of the Spyderco hole was ground down so there is a "Step"just in front of the hole.The length of the blade is still the same.After completing the grinding with finer belts, the spine was satin finished with a "Scotchbrite" belt , and decorated with filework.The area of the handle where your index finger sits while in use was filed with a 20 teeth per inch file.It helps secure the grip.it also helps to index the knife in low light.If you look at the knife, it appears that it came that way from the factory.The modifications give the Endura a totally different look.
I'm too computer illiterate for a picture.e-mail your address and I will send a tracing of the knife.
This method can also be used to repair a broken tip, or, to grind back the overall length of a blade to be "Legal" in some areas with blade length laws.
I used a brand new 80 grit belt and water cooled the blade.The top of the spine forward of the Spyderco hole was ground down so there is a "Step"just in front of the hole.The length of the blade is still the same.After completing the grinding with finer belts, the spine was satin finished with a "Scotchbrite" belt , and decorated with filework.The area of the handle where your index finger sits while in use was filed with a 20 teeth per inch file.It helps secure the grip.it also helps to index the knife in low light.If you look at the knife, it appears that it came that way from the factory.The modifications give the Endura a totally different look.
I'm too computer illiterate for a picture.e-mail your address and I will send a tracing of the knife.
This method can also be used to repair a broken tip, or, to grind back the overall length of a blade to be "Legal" in some areas with blade length laws.
Your ending statement on true MBC is very very right on..
The way to survive is NOT to be there in the first place..GOOD FOR YOOU!!!
Geeee I never thought of it as big, aggressive or to heavy..
Whats the definition for aggressive? its different?
Whats the definition for too big? its not as light as a book of matches?
guess its in the eye of the beholder..ROFL
I'm working on the Mini Gunting : the TUSOK right now..Had a concept proto @ the SHOT SHOW,,yup a revision of the one @ the NY Knife Show..
It will be lean and fast and small..
and it will still do striking..and pinching etc..
in a very easily carried package...
But understand this..
weight, mass and strength of the regular Gunting is what makes it work as well as it does..
less is not more..just different.
Any knife or object in the hand can be used as a striking-pressure point control tool.
Olisi Palids, Kubatons, Yawaras....they all do the same thing...each with a bent of its own..
Pick your edged tool by how it fits in your hand. If you have no exposed striking surfaces while holding the tool in a generalized grip it will be useless as a striking, pressure point control or grabbing tool.In other words don't try to use a CRICKET for this type of action...
All cars have four wheels.. I wouldn't drive that checker cab off road though..nor use it as a Formula 1 race car..
nor use the formula 1 as a dragster nor use the dragster on the street nor an off the roads car as a taxi..
some are better at the given task than others..
Mickey makes some of the bst non lethal pocket tools in the world..( I know he designs and makes them for me..)he's a genius @ modifying existing objects..
and of course hes a fantastic knife maker..
( I have a bunch of very cool knives made by Mickey ..including fixed blade Guntings..)
If you can't find what you want I bet HE CAN DO IT!...
The way to survive is NOT to be there in the first place..GOOD FOR YOOU!!!
Geeee I never thought of it as big, aggressive or to heavy..
Whats the definition for aggressive? its different?
Whats the definition for too big? its not as light as a book of matches?
guess its in the eye of the beholder..ROFL
I'm working on the Mini Gunting : the TUSOK right now..Had a concept proto @ the SHOT SHOW,,yup a revision of the one @ the NY Knife Show..
It will be lean and fast and small..
and it will still do striking..and pinching etc..
in a very easily carried package...
But understand this..
weight, mass and strength of the regular Gunting is what makes it work as well as it does..
less is not more..just different.
Any knife or object in the hand can be used as a striking-pressure point control tool.
Olisi Palids, Kubatons, Yawaras....they all do the same thing...each with a bent of its own..
Pick your edged tool by how it fits in your hand. If you have no exposed striking surfaces while holding the tool in a generalized grip it will be useless as a striking, pressure point control or grabbing tool.In other words don't try to use a CRICKET for this type of action...
All cars have four wheels.. I wouldn't drive that checker cab off road though..nor use it as a Formula 1 race car..
nor use the formula 1 as a dragster nor use the dragster on the street nor an off the roads car as a taxi..
some are better at the given task than others..
Mickey makes some of the bst non lethal pocket tools in the world..( I know he designs and makes them for me..)he's a genius @ modifying existing objects..
and of course hes a fantastic knife maker..
( I have a bunch of very cool knives made by Mickey ..including fixed blade Guntings..)
If you can't find what you want I bet HE CAN DO IT!...
By the way as the slew of recent magazine articles have stated that the Gunting CONTRARY to your opinion is a very capable EDC SPYDERCO knife..it cuts very well in EDC usage..
You cannot slide up the blade in forward OR reverse grip and its ergonoomic in grip..
It cuts like a banshee..
It works in hunting situations, it opens boxes..
it cuts paper, rope,...
I hasve many who have bought it as an EDC knife..
And I talked with many Outdoor Reps who are starting to see it as a useful camping-outdoor knife..
Guess its all in how one looks @ a situation!
You cannot slide up the blade in forward OR reverse grip and its ergonoomic in grip..
It cuts like a banshee..
It works in hunting situations, it opens boxes..
it cuts paper, rope,...
I hasve many who have bought it as an EDC knife..
And I talked with many Outdoor Reps who are starting to see it as a useful camping-outdoor knife..
Guess its all in how one looks @ a situation!
Well, when a few of the campus police use either the Gunting or a very similar knife on-duty as a combination utility tool/defensive weapon instead of a Yawara control stick and fixed-blade knife, it makes it a little harder to justify carrying one yourself, especially when any knife over 2" blade length is against campus regulations.
Liko,
You gotta play smart. That's for sure. Despite the fact that the Gunting is a good knife for utility, there will always be people and legislators who think that any knife is a bad knife. Plus you have the "in the know" factor playing: the cops who own Guntings know that its a MBC knife.
2 inches isn't a whole lot of space to work with. Until a baby gunting is out (or a CRMPIT, cough cough!) I would invest in a good small knife (calypso jr, dragonfly) and work PP techniques with other items, such as a nice sturdy pen, mini maglite, or other items.
Sometimes ya gotta make due with improvisation. Builds character, ya know. <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>
You gotta play smart. That's for sure. Despite the fact that the Gunting is a good knife for utility, there will always be people and legislators who think that any knife is a bad knife. Plus you have the "in the know" factor playing: the cops who own Guntings know that its a MBC knife.
2 inches isn't a whole lot of space to work with. Until a baby gunting is out (or a CRMPIT, cough cough!) I would invest in a good small knife (calypso jr, dragonfly) and work PP techniques with other items, such as a nice sturdy pen, mini maglite, or other items.
Sometimes ya gotta make due with improvisation. Builds character, ya know. <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>
ahem...ROFL..all of you are too much...<img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>
Part of MBC is watching. learning to go with the flow..
Don't worry.be happy..
Intent has a great deal to do with reprecussioms of usage of ones tool.
It matters much more than who in general terms are the group that carry it.
Sometimes a tool is more than the sum of its total..The Gunting is an EDC carry for many with muscular control, arthritis etc..
Its a carry for thos that need a specific ergonomic handle for non slippage..
If you want a plain impact tool carry a DRONE..then none of this knife stuff comes to bear..Its ONLY a non lethal impact tool @ best...
Part of MBC is watching. learning to go with the flow..
Don't worry.be happy..
Intent has a great deal to do with reprecussioms of usage of ones tool.
It matters much more than who in general terms are the group that carry it.
Sometimes a tool is more than the sum of its total..The Gunting is an EDC carry for many with muscular control, arthritis etc..
Its a carry for thos that need a specific ergonomic handle for non slippage..
If you want a plain impact tool carry a DRONE..then none of this knife stuff comes to bear..Its ONLY a non lethal impact tool @ best...
Bram,
I don't think anyone here is disputing that. But Sometimes, you have to take the law, and the enforcement of said laws into mind. If they say 2+ inches is a deadly weapon, it doesn't matter what people with crippled hands think. <img src="sad.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>
Of course, they can buy a Drone and use that instead, but utilitarian concepts are flushed down the toilet, unless you're selling a $100 tactical pate spreader <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>
I don't think anyone here is disputing that. But Sometimes, you have to take the law, and the enforcement of said laws into mind. If they say 2+ inches is a deadly weapon, it doesn't matter what people with crippled hands think. <img src="sad.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>
Of course, they can buy a Drone and use that instead, but utilitarian concepts are flushed down the toilet, unless you're selling a $100 tactical pate spreader <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>
Tom..I 'm sorry buddy but you're really wrong.PERIOD ...LOL
its not a $100 pate spreader..( might be a cream cheese spreader though..I hate Pate..)its a functional tool WITHOUT a cutting edge..so instead of carrying a 2" blade as a self defense and a whatever to play PP with ,,carry a smaller blade to do real time cutting and a DRONE to enact whatever control;, non lethal self defense one needs to do..
OR get up and fight the **** laws written where you live that say only 2" are allowed..
ROFL..
I know thats easier said than done....
OK mini Gunting TUSOK is coming to you..but its not under 2"..its 2 3/8ths to be under 2.5 of Boston & NYC.
Where are you that the blade length is under 2"..
hmm sounds like Scotland..
Let me know if this is realy happening all over.. I might make a blade revision or 2 different blades to fit he same handle..
one under 2 inches and one 2 3/8ths..
Be safe!!!
Bram
its not a $100 pate spreader..( might be a cream cheese spreader though..I hate Pate..)its a functional tool WITHOUT a cutting edge..so instead of carrying a 2" blade as a self defense and a whatever to play PP with ,,carry a smaller blade to do real time cutting and a DRONE to enact whatever control;, non lethal self defense one needs to do..
OR get up and fight the **** laws written where you live that say only 2" are allowed..
ROFL..
I know thats easier said than done....
OK mini Gunting TUSOK is coming to you..but its not under 2"..its 2 3/8ths to be under 2.5 of Boston & NYC.
Where are you that the blade length is under 2"..
hmm sounds like Scotland..
Let me know if this is realy happening all over.. I might make a blade revision or 2 different blades to fit he same handle..
one under 2 inches and one 2 3/8ths..
Be safe!!!
Bram