RIOT wrote:lol i always watch cops and they yell "HANDS OUT THE WINDOW" then right after they yell " NOW THROW YOUR KEYS OUT" so the driver of course is confused but still reachs for his keys and cops yell louder " I SAID KEEP YOUR HANDS UP" ??????????
anyways i always get a kick outa that, sneaky fellas
Ah Yes ...COPS :rolleyes: . The best show to watch on WHAT NOT TO DO :eek: . Don't get me wrong, I know a lot of folks that really enjoy watching COPS, but I have to admit ... some of the officers have some serious Officer Safety Issues and just do things that leave me shaking my head??? Not to mention the comments I hear on about half of the calls I go on ... "I watch COPS and CSI all of the time and I know how things should be done". :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :p . Take Good Care All and Be Safe Always.
God Bless :)
-raven-
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tomahawk23 wrote:I was wondering what makes the "POLICE" model, a Knife designed for the Police?
What design features were needed when coming up with the original concept?
In that aspect... the same question applies to the "MILITARY" model.
I know several Sheriffs Deputies personally, and I talk to quite a few cops (as there is one posted at the Bowling ally every weekend night). Whenever I meet a new one or my buddy introduces me to one of his new Rookies (he's a Trainer), I ask what kind of knife they carry...
None of them have ever had a POLICE model on them.
As a matter of fact... out of the 1200 officers in my buddies district... None of them even carry Spydercos besides him. (According to him.)
Anyway, can someone shed some light on this subject for me?
I hope you dont mind me asking... But what knives were they carrying?
KaliGman wrote:There are a few officers who carry the Civilian, though not as many as you might expect. I am a former police officer, former police instructor, current federal law enforcement officer (supervisory special agent) and a certified instructor for my agency as well as being a former SWAT operator. The Civilian was originally conceived as an undercover piece for when a certain agency's personnel could not carry firearms while doing undercover work. Most cops use their knives pretty hard as tools and the Civilian is miserable as a tool--it is too special purpose and the blade tip is fragile. Some law enforcement officers carry a "work knife" and a self-defense knife, and sometimes the Civilian is carried then. As for me, I don't like the Civilian at all. I like karambits, but recognize that this style of knife has some weaknesses (as does anything--there are always tradeoffs). To me, the Civilian has all the weaknesses of the karambit, and none of its strengths. I don't recommend them to my students.
I carry a Military quite a bit. As most here know, i carry a Gunting a lot, as well as about anything designed by Ed Schempp and, of course Chad Los Banos' Lava (and I have been known to film stuff on Schempp and Banos designs and put it on my website, along with the occasional karambit demonstration). I have seen many officers carrying Spyderco. Many carry Benchmade (especially autos), some Emerson, and some carry Cold Steel. I have seen quite a few lately who like the Kabar TDI (I have one but it is far from my favorite blade) and Boker (the MPT and Trance). I have seen a few products of about any reputable cutlery company you can name carried by one LEO or another, including the occasional custom. Many also carry the "whatever was on sale at WalMart" or "Pot Metal Knock Off Special," though I see less of that these days. I don't currently own a Police. I do see the knife as substantially different in blade design than the current Endura--the Police has a much sharper point, etc. I do believe that the thing might have been called Police due to the fact that it was the biggest, baddest tactical folder that Spyderco made at the time of its introduction and the knife was marketed as appropriate for police use. If it was good enough for hard cop use, then it should be good enough for most of the uses that people had for "tactical pocket jewelry" :p I mean knives--or at least that seems to be a pretty valid strategy used to sell products today. However, Spyderco is often asked to make something special for some agency or other, so it is also quite possible that some police agency requested something like the Police and it was born that way. I have known officers and feds who carried the Police model--including a SWAT sergeant on my old municipal police department.
Thanks for the very informative post!
By the way, were the Police models you saw being carried serrated or plain edge? As a professional LEO, which edge type do you consider more appropriate for MBC use?
awlriteeden wrote:Thanks for the very informative post!
By the way, were the Police models you saw being carried serrated or plain edge? As a professional LEO, which edge type do you consider more appropriate for MBC use?
To be honest it was about 50/50, but with the Spyder edge (serrated) having a slight lead. As for serrated vs plain edge, both can be used effectively, but I prefer plain. My mentor in the Filipino Martial Arts preferred serrated :D . I mostly look at it like the revolver vs automatic thing--which one do I want to get shot with? Neither, thank you very much :p . Which would I carry? Well auto and plainedge--but then there is that custom Smith Model 25 .45 ACP revolver that I have and those combo edge Guntings...hmmm...
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well you know I'm doctor, I work in emergency (in france the system is different: we havn't paramedics), so many time the cops are first on a accident and cut a seat belt with a police could be dangerous for the patient...
I thinck the cops have a important mission of rescue and the police is not adapted for that..
by the way I'm not an expert but it seem the police is not adapted perfectly for the self defense: very flat handle....
raven wrote:Ah Yes ...COPS :rolleyes: . The best show to watch on WHAT NOT TO DO :eek: . Don't get me wrong, I know a lot of folks that really enjoy watching COPS, but I have to admit ... some of the officers have some serious Officer Safety Issues and just do things that leave me shaking my head??? Not to mention the comments I hear on about half of the calls I go on ... "I watch COPS and CSI all of the time and I know how things should be done". :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :p . Take Good Care All and Be Safe Always.
God Bless :)
-raven-
usually they know they are being video taped and its going on tv so they have to act extra tuff LOL, cops are cool though, we would have a corrupted place to live without them
tomahawk23 wrote:My Cop buddy has been trying to get onto this forum for five days now... If he ever actually does get on you can talk to him yourself. He was an MP in Dessert Storm and has been on the force for at least 12 years. He is also a knife enthusiast and always asking what others carry.
I've known him for 8 years, I don't think he would just make something like that up.
(He says most carry Benchmades, or Wal-Mart cheep'os)
Firstly this isn't an attack on you of some sorts, but overall speaking to 1200 individuals is quite an exaggeration imo. So out of 1200 cops none of them have ever carried a Spyderco.
Frankly I'm more surprised by the fact that your friend can say he has spoken to 1200 cops and asked them their edc than by the fact that they do not carry a Spyderco. No I take that back 1200 officers and not one Spyderco I just can not believe it :rolleyes:
KaliGman wrote:To be honest it was about 50/50, but with the Spyder edge (serrated) having a slight lead. As for serrated vs plain edge, both can be used effectively, but I prefer plain. My mentor in the Filipino Martial Arts preferred serrated :D . I mostly look at it like the revolver vs automatic thing--which one do I want to get shot with? Neither, thank you very much :p . Which would I carry? Well auto and plainedge--but then there is that custom Smith Model 25 .45 ACP revolver that I have and those combo edge Guntings...hmmm...
Thanks for the feedback, it's all very interesting and informative :cool: Too much marketing hype and mall ninja BS in a lot of SD or LEO/military discussions me thinks.
I personally don't carry a knife for SD use, but to be honest it was the tacticool knives that first drew me to this hobby. If faced with situation I'll always prefer to run as fast as I can, if possible :D
The Police model does look a lot more menacing with the serrated edge though :spyder:
RIOT wrote:lol i always watch cops and they yell "HANDS OUT THE WINDOW" then right after they yell " NOW THROW YOUR KEYS OUT" so the driver of course is confused but still reachs for his keys and cops yell louder " I SAID KEEP YOUR HANDS UP" ??????????
anyways i always get a kick outa that, sneaky fellas
Haha! :)
This is a LOL-worthy post.
Same for posts 17 & 18. :D
walace wrote:well you know I'm doctor, I work in emergency (in france the system is different: we havn't paramedics), so many time the cops are first on a accident and cut a seat belt with a police could be dangerous for the patient...
I thinck the cops have a important mission of rescue and the police is not adapted for that..
by the way I'm not an expert but it seem the police is not adapted perfectly for the self defense: very flat handle....
The flat long handle was designed to stick out of your hand on both sides (when closed!) to be used as a non-lethal impact weapon (kubaton). It also can break glass that way.
GarageBoy wrote:So why is the military the military? And how come those working in the ParaMilitaries dont use the PM?
The first one's been answered by Sal countless times. As for the seconded, damned if I know, damned if I care. For the record though, I carry a Kiwi and I am not from New Zealand. :D
Once again... Not what I said.
My buddy has been on the force for Eighteen years (not twelve, my bad), anyway... in those eighteen years he has come into contact with and met/known a lot of those 1200 cops, as he was a trainer, and a desk Sargent. Over the years he has never seen any of those cops carrying a Spyderco. Doesn't mean that he personally inspected each and every individual persons EDC.
He, himself only JUST started carrying a Spyderco . Before that he always carried a Cold Steel or a Benchmade. (...By the way, that doesn't mean that either of those brands are necessarily better... just different. I don't want to start a Battle about that again!)
P.S. My buddy has applied to be on this forum too... Last week. He has Emailed Kristi several times and still hasn't gotten any reply. Whats up with that?
A Man Without his Knife is like a Bear Without its Claws.
I've been carrying a Spyderco Police Model on duty every day since 1988 or so. It's appeal to me is the slim profile, the long blade, the full serrations and the fact that I can open it one-handed in several different ways. It's better than a baton for breaking car windows. (Batons rarely work on side windows.)
The Police is a lot of blade that carries like a much smaller knife.
My belief is that the Police Model has higher manufacturing quality than the stainless Endura. I also prefer the shape and size of the Police. (I have a stainless Endura in my boot when I work on the motorcycle.)
tomahawk23 wrote:
P.S. My buddy has applied to be on this forum too... Last week. He has Emailed Kristi several times and still hasn't gotten any reply. Whats up with that?
No offense mate- but you just click on 'register,' fill out the form with a legit email address and your set. Just like every other forum on the web.... :confused:
tea, the Spyderco forum doesn't allow you to register if your email account isn't one that is linked to an ISP. e.g. Gmail, Hotmail, etc. I had to email Kristi to get my account registration cleared.
